BAY-PAH

27 January 2026 00:19

Mitts and masks might make parts 1 and 5 difficult, so we'll have to rely solely on Palm Orientation, Location, and Movement

BAY-PAH

27 January 2026 00:19

As I recall, each ASL sign has 5 parameters:
1. Handshape
2. Palm Orientation
3. Location
4. Movement
5. Non-Manual Markers

BAY-PAH

27 January 2026 00:18

Oh that sounds like a sick conlang project

BAY-PAH

27 January 2026 00:17

Half true and half false, I just answered you I'm deaf pup ^^

BAY-PAH

27 January 2026 00:15

From a kink event at Wasteland Weekend last year:

BAY-PAH

27 January 2026 00:14

I've done similar with notepad on my phone

BAY-PAH

27 January 2026 00:13

There is a graphic for it but it's only for on all fours and mostly just conveys mood rather than action

BAY-PAH

27 January 2026 00:10

this is a great idea, and tbh, I think I've seen a graphic somewhere sometime that had different ways pups could signal various things nonverbally.

But can't remember where I saw it or if its even widely accepted (and not just niche to one particular group/pack)

BAY-PAH

27 January 2026 00:08

so true. So much of it is body language, which not everyone can read (or interprets the same way), and I imagine it's only harder when in full pup mode, with a different posture and with all the gear...

Really makes me think how better to communicate with others in a puppy mosh... Like, signaling for a hug/cuddles can be self explanatory (extend open arms/paws), but other things are much more complex

BAY-PAH

27 January 2026 00:07

My hearing is going, and I'm asking for repeats more and more now. So I need to learn asl soon

BAY-PAH

27 January 2026 00:07

idk if the slides were published anywhere and I don’t have notes, sadly

BAY-PAH

27 January 2026 00:05

Asl is always a stable option if you know someone who can translate, but I think making a standardized UPSL (universal pup sign language) could be very useful to help with events and create accessibility for pups who may not be able to hear or speak.

BAY-PAH

27 January 2026 00:04

hard to hear a squeaker when you're deaf, tho

BAY-PAH

27 January 2026 00:03

I sure basic gestures and body language can say a lot.

BAY-PAH

27 January 2026 00:02

is there a convention of established signs one could do with a paw to communicate simple things?

Like not full ASL, but something simple more pup play-specific (that works with wearing paw mitts)

BAY-PAH

27 January 2026 00:19

thats a good start, but needs more signs for some basic communication needs.

BAY-PAH

27 January 2026 00:19

I would be so down to create and/or learn that

BAY-PAH

27 January 2026 00:17

hmm, I thought I saw one that also included some paw signals for basic things (using left or right paw, the direction in which you lift it and how, etc.) Was super simple, tho.

I really do support the idea of a simplified sign "language" derived from ASL but geared at pup play that is simple and easy enough to use in full gear, on all fours and with paw mitts on (so, no fingers/hands).

BAY-PAH

27 January 2026 00:16

[id: a whiteboard containing a drawing of a pup, with a word bubble saying "In case you're wondering, this whiteboard is how I provide consent while unable to speak"]

BAY-PAH

27 January 2026 00:15

Oh no no my Deaf friend can speak and read lips. He wants to make real friends at furry conversation but thank you. ^^ I really appreciate that

BAY-PAH

27 January 2026 00:13

Using ASL in pup spaces would definitely be more convenient than my current solution (carrying a small whiteboard and marker when in pup mode)

BAY-PAH

27 January 2026 00:12

@GabrielGreenWolf if this friend is a pup and knows ASL, I know two friendly puppies who are learning ASL together and who would probably appreciate having someone to practice with. You can DM me if you're interested

BAY-PAH

27 January 2026 00:09

I know when I am in my hood it is very difficult for me to hear speech and I tend to ignore people by default.

BAY-PAH

27 January 2026 00:08

I do, however feel like a universal pup sign language is useful not only for those who might have hearing impairments or speech impairments, but also for those who don't want to talk when they're in pup space because it creates a non-verbal communication that you could do as a pup without breaking headspace

BAY-PAH

27 January 2026 00:07

But I think these last couple comments show a big part of the problem, hearing people don’t fully understand the problem so would tend to avoid it

BAY-PAH

27 January 2026 00:06

I feel like I saw a slide on this at the FC panel, hm

BAY-PAH

27 January 2026 00:05

Even in full human conversation only a small percentage of communication is verbal

BAY-PAH

27 January 2026 00:03

I wonder if they did squeekers in the paws? Like zarafas suit.

BAY-PAH

27 January 2026 00:03

And I know this's easy for me to say as a hearing person who doesn't have much difficulty finding people to socialize with, but it's also true. If that group ignored him because he's deaf then he should ignore them back and look for a better group

BAY-PAH

27 January 2026 00:01

Sometimes groups are cliquey, and they just don't want new people, so he might've misinterpreted their reason for ignoring him. But if they genuinely were ignoring him for being deaf, then fuck them, they wouldn't be good friends anyway