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so you are guilty then? and you wrongfully die?
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That will make everybody a criminal and dead. Nobody suggested that.
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if you were being put to death because the state concluded you killed someone?
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I'm sorry, but this is argument for abolishing every penalty except the death penalty.
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We would need the foresight of God Himself to safely... not execute someone?
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that leads to less freedoms and is a worse world to live in
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it is up to the state
the people in power
to prove someone is guilty
In 2 Peter 3:10, Matthew 24:35 and Revelation 20:11
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can you give me the verses you are referencing, I can do my hermeneutics thematically on that subject.
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We have already discussed that Satan is an external spiritual being. Satans were sent down into a herd of pigs.
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If Paul had understood the nature of God, why did he worship God through external means and establish strict, orderly rules for external worship?
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But, in that case, I trust in Allah's judgement.
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Also, Islamic laws are very cautious on death penalties
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Let's execute everyone who commits any crime because they might one day commit greater ones?
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would your death be just because it gives the victim’s family closure?
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sheikh what would YOU do if you were wrongfully convicted of murder
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Yes, that is why religions have laws which provide maximal justice.
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In China, public executions are a means to warn people to be met with same consequences if they commit a crime.
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in your world
the state would have to power to punish or execute people merely on suspicion
Eastern religions essentially started with philosophy or adopted it almost immediately. They are completely straightforward about their ultimate points
But your realized theology has extraordinary claims. You have to pass through multiple, dense layers of Christian texts, cross-examine specific words Jesus spoke and even history. You have to focus intensely on the exact mechanics of every single word rather than just the overarching theme
Its a beautiful system, but it requires a hyper-specific scriptural blueprint to work
and I have been talking about spiritual enlightenment. Which exactly Jesus is talking about to, If it is completely internal then that would be your own ego, connecting to the infinite flame, that is God is what we are talking about.
I am here with a bigger message that would somewhere coincide with Christian mystics and gnostic. But
Buddha, Da Mo, Zen, Tao, Qigong, all of them, connecting to Jesus teaching. Revelation is something that's filled with symbolism and parable. If you open Matthew, mark, Luke and John, also Gospel of Thomas which is not available in Bible, you can understand what actually Jesus is trying to say, it is the same thing what Buddha is trying to say and Bodhi dharma is trying to say. also advaita vedanta, Sruti texts, all interconnected.
Why would Jesus say we can do all things that he can do and even more things.
The parable of after life is part 3 and I would highly recommend you to read part 8 so you can know what I mean exactly by hell and heaven by closed and open system, although it's still an analogy, it's a better analogy for an explanation than what jesus gave by Vine and vinedresser.
Because by now we have science to use it as a help to structure an analogy that is more coherent.
and about satan being internal external, we already came to a proper conclusion, the temptation is internal, but satan himself the spirit energy that is driving the temptation is external. which is clearly explained in further sections lucifer. I 've made an Index for the navigation.
How can a spiritual heaven residing inside humans' hearts have a specific day of destruction*
And can you explain your perspective on the afterlife in simpler words?
Book of Acts says angels told disciples why do you stand here looking into the sky? This same Jesus, who has been taken from you into heaven, will come back in the same way you have seen him go into heaven. Angels do not tell the disciples to look inside themselves for a collective realization.
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If heaven is an internal state, how can it be physically destroyed by a roar on a specific day? 2 Peter and Revelation state that the heavens disappear with a roar and the elements are destroyed by fire. If heaven is merely an internal reality or consciousness, how can it face an external, catastrophic day of judgment by an independent God? Peter even answers mockers that one day is as a thousand years and vice versa. How can a spiritual heaven for all humans have a specific day of destruction?
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I'm not inventing a new theology, just a theological framework that might crossover with other theologies, including panentheism, Gnostic, buddhism, Advaita Vedanta, shaivism and more. But still coherent.
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