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Despite the earlier claims, I don't think the Bravenly ‘legacy’ tour was anywhere near successful.
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Jarfra attempt - silenced 10 huns with 1 sentence
I am traveling for work and there is a huge Jarfra conference in my hotel. When I saw the sprawl of purple I ran to the elevator to avoid them. About 10 pushed themselves into the elevator. I am on the highest floor and had to hear their nonsense floor after floor. The queen bee tried to spin up a conversation saying “we make women beautiful, and make money doing it” in all my over 200lb glory, messy hair from a long day, eyeliner all worn off, I replied “oh well, I already am” they all turned their heads and had no reply. Silence for the remainder of the elevator ride.
I found the solution 🤣
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is licensed and has insurance”; “submitting a claim doesn’t raise your insurance, our inspection doesn’t raise your insurance”; “I’m sure other roofers has been around your neighborhood”, essentially making up info about how we “remodeled your neighbor’s roof”, identifying the age of the roof based on streaking/general weather decay, essentially doing everything possible to sell them our product).
Red Flag #5: Once we become actual salespeople we don’t get a commission based on the settlement/home value, etc. Instead, it’s by the square footage of the home, the type of roof we’re repairing/replacing, and we don’t get much at all if the homeowner has an “undesirable insurer” (i.e. Allstate).
Once our guy was driving us back to the pickup point, he was spending some time talking about how rude our lady (not the CEO) was at our training (and yes I admit she came off rude, I get hounding us for being on our phones to “pay attention” but 90% of what we do involve 3 apps on our phones, even trying to say “I see you scrolling, you’re probably on social media rn” while whole time everyone was USING THE APPS SHE’S TRAINING US TO USE). Also got into a small argument with his wife over the phone in the car, calling the slow Maryland drivers the r-word (lol, while also cutting a million people off getting onto off-ramps and constantly nearly missing exits. Gotta love my state’s drivers), and once he dropped me off I left the hat they gave me in his truck, deleted all the apps and blocked their number.
Avoid working for this company at all costs. I feel bad for the others who are clearly seeking a job and are getting duped by these salesman to knock on a bunch of people’s doors in 85 degree heat at a trailer park in Middle River. Especially feel bad for anyone who had to pay to Uber to our pickup/dropoff point (whereas I just drove). I did get free breakfast, lunch, snacks, and a trip to one of the richest counties in the state. It was interesting and this company isn’t a scam per se (they are licensed) but it’s definitely an MLM and from the homeowners I’ve seen on Facebook who’s encountered them, they overcharge, does poor roof repair service, and lie about the insurance process. I just played my part as best as I could and they loved me, which made it a little more satisfying to rugpull them and ghost them lol
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A 22-year-old with a €150K car invited me and my boyfriend on a boat trip. He won’t name his company.
We’re walking to the supermarket in Berlin when we see a white two-seater sports car, the kind that costs about €150K, parked outside a small Vietnamese restaurant.
My boyfriend is a car lover and very extroverted, so he walks up to the two young men eating there and asks if it’s their car. One of them says yes.
He’s been out of work for months, so he asks the obvious question: what do you do for a living? The answer is short. 22, finance. Not crypto. My boyfriend takes his number, thinking maybe this guy could pass on a CV.
We’re home maybe an hour later when the texts start.
“wassuppp Bro I’d love to invite you and your girlfriend on a boat trip this Thursday so we can get to know each other better and speak about my business are you both free?”
We said yes. Then it got strange.
“The meeting point is the one shown in the picture. From there, my driver will take us to the boat, and we’ll spend about an hour on the water. After that, if you’d like, we can go for dinner. Totally up to you! 🤝🚤”
A photo instead of an address. A driver. An hour on a boat we can’t leave.
So we started asking questions, and this is everything we got in three days:
He named the lake and told us the captain is a former Olympic and Formula 1 powerboat world champion.
Unprompted: “I don’t usually do this for people, but you both were really friendly and respectful. I also noticed you’re genuinely interested in finance.”
We asked for his Instagram. “I’ll show you everything on Thursday.”
We asked what the business is:
“I help people with a stable to good income learn how to invest their money. Have you or your girlfriend ever invested money on a monthly basis?”
Then:
“My father and I run our own financial advisory company. If we’re a good fit, there will definitely be opportunities to work together. If I like what you have to say, I’ll explain everything step by step.”
22 years old. Finance, real estate, and an advisory firm with his father. No company name. No social media. No address.
Here’s what I keep coming back to. He said we were both friendly, respectful, genuinely interested in finance. I never said one word to this man. I shook his hand and watched my boyfriend do the talking.
So what does he want with a guy who liked his car and a woman who never opened her mouth?
Every message is warmth and emojis and reassurance. Not one of them contains a single fact.
I already suspect what this is. But the boat is Thursday and I’d like to hear from people who’ve seen this before. Is the recruitment pitch usually this elaborate, or is the boat itself the red flag?
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Shaklee conference 2026
Anyone following or creators following the Shaklee conference this week?
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Someone trying to recoup $12k
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They're now handing out participation trophies?
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Greenway and how it can ruin my life
sorry for bad English
Greenway is a Russian-based "universal" MLM company that has a "great goal" of getting rid of super bad chemicals in our daily life and saving our planet from BIG CORP and his dirty-dirty plastic rubbish. They aren't even hiding the fact that they are MLM. This is a brief story how this bs company got in my life
So, half a year ago, my mom started bugging me about getting into some Zoom calls. I already started feeling some bad business, because 2 or 3 years ago our family, including numerous other people, got scammed by getting into a pyramid scheme, called Finiko, they also "recruited" and reassured people that their pyramid scheme is very safe via Zoom calls, so, my mother is known for being scam-prone.
Fast-forward a few weeks, I got sick and my mom started giving some pills that I didn't recognize and they certainly weren't prescripted. Then she gave me some supplements. From omega-3 to some red berry(?) paste in a tube. At this time I already knew we were f-ed.
Since that time we now have Greenway towels, Greenway shampoo, toothpaste, rags, kissel for your heart, herbal tea for your d-ck, EVERYTHING. Even my dad, who is supposed to be "the smart one" of the family is deep into this bs. Worst of all, she hooked my grandma onto this too, and she is a very sick (physically) person, she would probably cling onto her dear life with anything. Man, she even started to go to their company meetings, she is WIRED.
After a quick look at the web, I found a few overwhelmingly negative reviews from 2020-2024, but nothing more. In those reviews people say that their products are too expensive and that for the same price you can get a lot more quality products. Sh-t, they even "giveaway" cars for guys who get the most people into their cult
A few days ago, I heard that my mom entered some kind of lottery for their products, that was the last straw, I dont want our money getting sucked into some bs again.
I am afraid that my family is not going to listen to me, and that my research will be very shallow. The fact that I am not a confident person nor a salesman isnt helping me. That raises another question, how should I present this thing to them?
So, I kindly ask anyone here who saw this post and gave a f-ck about it, please help me, im so very tired. (if anyone here is Russian, please help me out in Russian too, the fact that I wont need to translate anything would be fabulous) (also, I wanted to include some links, but Reddit instantly deleted that post, so sorry for no links)
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The huns have discovered chat gpt
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Tiktok digital marketing/letter writing
I have been seeing a significant increase of people selling courses on Tiktok of “digital marketing” and “letter writing” under the guise of just letting people work remotely. It’s the same course that everyone is selling and everyone is always making $506 exactly every day. This HAS to be an MLM. The course is $600 and you get like a podcast library and the phone number of whoever you bought the course from.
I’m trying to figure out what the course is but from the sound of it, this is an MLM scam right?
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WHY?! (just venting)
Ugh. So a colleague my partner has worked with for YEARS and is essentially a work bestie has a wife in an MLM. They want to hang out and share information about a business opportunity.
This is the worst part about MLMs. Like - first of all, no chance of us getting involved because I am firmly, 100% in the anti-MLM camp and have no problem vocalizing why.
But it makes things awkward with what has been a normal, strong, healthy work friendship for years for my partner.
And it pisses me off because they've never wanted to hang out outside of work for years. But all of a sudden, they see us as great downline fodder and I feel commodified.
I know my partner will handle it well and feels less "commodified" than I do. I'm also glad that as soon as I told him, he looked into it and was like "nope. Not going to try to prey on all my friends/family - not for me." But it is so insulting to me that they see us as an easy mark, lol. And I hate if it causes awkwardness at work.
Mostly venting - but whyyyyyyy?!!?!!?!
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Monat exposed
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-07-31/monat-mlm-network-marketing-women-mums/106870398?utm_source=abc_news_app&utm_medium=content_shared&utm_campaign=abc_news_app&utm_content=other
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As litigious as Disney can be, it’s never threatened to (or even insinuated it would) sue someone for saying that they never wanted to visit their theme parks.
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Please don't solicit Flight Attendants. I'll bet those went straight into the bin, where they belong.
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Is this guy really crying?
https://preview.redd.it/6vxp8jjlufhh1.png?width=941&format=png&auto=webp&s=a93140ae81ade9828d0924db37d8e3515952d00c
Does this look real? I just viewed a series of a photographer of about 10 grown men crying and that the tears flow so cleanly, it's odd to me.
So he coaches other coaches to start some kind of coaching business. One of his student for example is a sleep coach now. He is mostly doing fitness. I'm not sure if this is called multi level. (I also don't want to kill his business.)
His instagram bio mentions 500k turnover. In theory it could be possible if it's over multiple years, but still.. He is selling a dream that appeals to many people...
Besides coaching coaches he is also doing 1 on 1 online coaching to help people lose weight where it's 16 weeks and a fixed amount of 800 euro. There is no mention about how many hours you will get.
I'm also following another guy who is somewhat handicapped (also confirms it in his bio). From my understanding he got an inheritance and bought a unit with a developer in Paraguay where he is living (still under construction) I also hope he doesn't get scammed but I think it's legit, his mom runs a hotel so he probably got help there. Sometimes he mentions that he worked a bit and easily earned 300 euro. People that comment can only get info by personal message about what he is doing. I have the idea he is a online health/fitness, ... coach..
All of these things work because they aren't persé selling a product, they are selling a dream. The dream: everyone can get rich (in a short period)
it's a rant
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Avoid Rose Roofing - Maryland
This is gonna be a long one to read so be advised. And no, thankfully I didn’t have to pay a dime for this experience.
So to start, I’m currently a college student looking for a shift from doing DoorDash for my income (which has been fine so far, but I’d rather not wear my car down for rent money). I applied for Rose Roofing through Indeed, and despite missing two different interviews (and finally rescheduling a third time was successful), they still said they’d hire me and to start Monday.
Red Flag #1: They wanted us to meet at a Sheetz gas station for our first meet at 7am, where I also found 5 other individuals (who were also unfortunately fooled into joining). A guy from the company (who arrived nearly 20 minutes late) was going to drive us from Linthicum Heights, MD, to company HQ in Sterling, VA. I got free breakfast and a nice ride to a very rich part of NoVa, so I wasn’t complaining; however, on a phone call between him and (supposedly) HR, they noticed that I was never listed to visit HQ. I found it weird but said “fuck it, as long as I don’t have to pay for anything”. Our ride there was fine, the guy was talking about “I came from nothing and was a reaction YouTuber and now I own a 4 million dollar home” blah blah blah, sounding very casual and trying to be an AAVE white (as a black man please stop). Immediately arriving in Sterling Heights we’re greeted by Lamborghini Temerarios on the highway, multi-million dollar homes, and the CEO’s Aston Martin DBX.
Red Flag #2: We arrive in company HQ, got settled in, and I’m being told that I was never properly onboarded into the company. They never asked for my ID, the number I texted (supposedly to HR) to get onboarded never responded back, and we were seated with another lady from the company explaining us on how we start as canvassers for homes suspected to have roof damage from wind or hail storms, and how we have to go through a 12-week “RISE” program to become actual salespeople.
She (as well as Paul Maschue, who they said was a “general district manager” yet he holds a contractor/salesperson license in MD and not the CEO??) went through a whole 17-step process to go door-to-door to get homeowners to book an appointment to have someone inspect their roof for 15 minutes with pictures, provide a damage report and helping them submit a damage claim through their insurance, provide their own public adjuster to negotiate with the insurance company on a settlement (that they consistently nudge to the homeowner that the insurance will cover the entire cost and leave a small $1-5k deductible depending on the home. No this is not how insurance works lol.) It’s apparently a 4-6 month process (or if its an “undesirable insurer” like Allstate, additional time).
Red Flag #3. The CEO, Elizabeth Santorum Marcolini, comes into our meeting with her little kid dressed as a trad wife. Lot of sales pitch between everyone about how Rose Roofing provides them all these nice things, booking PTO way in advance without even really accruing it, free trips, $4 million homes and skiing trips, all part of the “culture” there. (Come to discover later the CEO has a theology degree at the John Paul II Institute).
Red Flag #4: Our goal is to knock on 100 different homes, getting at least one “lead” per home per day, with a “standard of excellence” for 2 or more leads per day. It’s $15/hr plus $25 for getting someone to book an appointment, plus $25 if they submit a claim. We use an app to have appointments booked (emphasizing on how we need to see them confirm it so we get credit for the home), and tag the necessary people in Slack so they can verify. Us clocking into work starts the first door we knock, detailing everything in the app (i.e. did they answer or not, any visual descriptions to indicate if anyone is home, and a whole map of homeowners, their credit scores, the home information and their status with us in the app).
We go through a whole acting montage with the door-knocking process, and answering common rebuttals (“the person inspecting your roof
Nu Skin’s cut the field’s checks in half and still pay the CEO millions; the real story Nu Skin investors aren’t hearing
Nu Skin used to have a real lucrative business. That model is gone.
First they introduced Velocity. Titles stopped being permanent. Everything became monthly blocks. Miss the target and your comissions on got cut in half that month. Money shifted toward short-term bonuses for new people only.
Then the new most recent roll out of the plan completely killed it. NO ONE CAN MAKE MONEY WITH NUSKIN!
Leaders no longer get paid on affiliate volume or products any affiliate actually buys and consumes they only pay for real customer sales. You might as well just get a job as a car wash. You’ll make more money and have less stress.
They have wiped a large number of leaders off the books in one quarter. All long term leaders have quit and the companies stock is in the sewer.
Total money paid to the global field dropped from about $1.08 billion in 2021 to roughly $530 million in 2025. The check pool was cut in half while revenue fell from $2.7 billion to $1.49 billion. Sales leaders went from around 47,000 to now about 27,000.
On earnings calls they call this “compensation plan progress.” What it actually did was move money out of field checks and into GROSS MARGIN.
Napierski has been CEO since September 2021. The stock has gone from around $40 to around $5. He designed Velocity when he was president. He is directly responsible for the destruction and the failure of this company.
The board has very long tenure and the founder families still hold significant ownership. There is almost no outside pressure. Say-on-pay votes stay extremely high. Any other normal company like L’Oréal, lauder etc would have fired someone like this years ago.
In March 2026 they installed a COO over REVENUE AND OPERATIONS! This is the CORE of the CEO’s job! It’s no wonder the CFO left shortly after this happened! No intelligent human would stick around for this mess. This is not confidence. This is the last straw for containment.
The money that has been stolen from the field funded Napierskis “margin story”.
The margin story produced the earnings headlines.
Those headlines are what continue to justify the CEO’s pay.
The majority of the field has no idea that this is why they cannot make money anymore. The investment community definitely does not know that because they took the ability to make money away from the field that is why the business is disappearing and likely will not exist in 24 months.
Investors are being lied to with a story of improvement and progress. The people who actually built the business know the other version: the incentive to join the business was dismantled, the check pool was cut in half, and the person who led that process still has the job and is getting paid millions to kill a company.
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Need your help - Monat
Hey gang. I've been making YouTube shorts about MLMs in general, and I'm about to start doing "reviews" of different MLMs, starting with Monat.
Does anyone here have access to internal Monat pricing information? If I could just find the retail, VIP, and Market Partner pricing and the PV for a few key products, that would help me out tremendously. You can just DM me if you'd rather not share it publicly. And I won't reveal my "sources!"
Thanks in advance!
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Struggling MLM Arieyl owners hit with 2nd tax in less than a year
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Arbonne ENVP who ranted about financial struggles makes unsubstantiated income claims to lure you in
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Removed by Reddit
Removed by Reddit on account of violating the [content policy. ]
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Another clear as mud post in local group. Anyone know which MLM this is?
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Does anyone know what Safe Shop actually is? Is it legitimate or something like MLM?
Hi everyone,
I wanted to ask if anyone here has any experience with Safe Shop or knows how it actually works. Any honest answers would be really appreciated.
Here's why I'm asking: One of our neighbour aunties is a member of Safe Shop, and she's been repeatedly encouraging (and honestly, kind of pressuring) my mother to join. She says that to become a seller/member, we first need to buy one of their products, which costs around ₹10,000–₹15,000.
She claims it's a great business opportunity and that we can earn good money by joining. However, I'm a bit skeptical because it sounds similar to an MLM or direct-selling model.
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I worked an event recently that was hosted by Damsel in Defense and it was one of the weirdest things I’ve ever seen.
It was about four hours where they fed the attendees nothing but apple cider and little dessert platters to share. A lot of them were wearing what looked like prom and wedding dresses, there was a ton of biblical talk, and at one point one of the hosts was dramatically fake sobbing on the stage. The presentation was all over the place. They were giving out awards and showing PowerPoints throughout but at different times they would also show random clips from the movie Joyful Noise or show videos of impoverished girls in Africa that they would collectively cry over.
The people running it all seemed to be forty and younger while many of the attendees were older people. It’s unbelievably cult-y and I felt so bad for these people they’re emotionally manipulating into bankrolling them.
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My brother joined vector can someone tell me anything about this company?
My brother just called me and told me he "got a new job at vector" and when he was telling me about it definitely sounded like a mlm and like he's trying to get me to join can someone tell me anything information about this company and how predatory it can be towards him?
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Julie Anderson is active on FB
I know she has been missed, and Julie is posting anti-MLM content on Facebook! She is also responding in the comments. Now I just wish she would do a Scentsy end of month livestream! I need that in my life.
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Colleague has started selling Tropic and I showed interest, how do I let them down gently?
I don't know a lot about Tropic specifically, I don't know how aggressive they are to their recruits but I just get a bad feeling about anything remotely mlm, how do I politely decline but keep the friendship
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