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My new job at a “local business” is Herbalife
I know NOTHING about MLMs
I’m 16 and I‘ve worked for other fast food and local small businesses, and recently I just got hired and had my first day at this “locally owned” loaded tea shop.
My manager is super nice, but she told me that this was an MLM run by Herbalife. Nowhere online did it say that, everything online says it’s a locally owned small business.
I know MLMs and Herbalife are bad, but I don’t completely know why, and I really like the job and the pay. Can someone please explain to me:
a) what is so bad about Herbalife? Is it the products or the management, or both?
b) should I quit solely because it’s an MLM, or should I keep the job (that I really enjoyed on the first day)?
thank you!!
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Hun would like to recommend Monet for 12 year old
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That’s because nurses aren’t preying “on struggling single moms.”
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Is a relationship with a partner in an MLM possible?
I am looking for advice. Please be kind - we all know how those MLMs work, preying on vulnerable people - and when emotions are involved, it’s a thousand times harder to make a decision.
My partner of 2.5 years got himself into Amway (one of the AMOs active in the UK) 1 year and 2 months ago. Because of serious health issues before that, his financial situation has deteriorated - he’s in debt, also owes me money (which I lent him before the MLM), and currently not having his own place to live (staying with friends and family).
He’s an intelligent, educated man, but Amway has found him in a vulnerable time. He’s just over 50 and his situation is hitting him hard. I understand the motivation behind why he wants his “business” to work. I understand why he is doing it and his goal - to be able to give back to his family and the people he cares about. From what I’ve gathered he’s doing decent in it - he’s really good in speaking to people and recruiting others.
He works as a supply teacher with an agency, as he doesn’t want to go back to full time teaching. He is saying that he’s done it for many years and it’s exhausting. I don’t believe, in his current situation, that he has the luxury of flexibility or not being in a full time employment.
Unfortunately, no matter that he has got good intensions, and believes in it, I have been suffering from ongoing anxiety because of his involvement in Amway. The more I know about it, the more I am against it. It doesn’t align with my core values. In December, we have broken up twice because of this. We have spoke about it extensively - I have made a 23 page power point presentation with information and sources on why those schemes are bad and predatory. He read Merchants of Deception. We studied the income disclosure statement of Amway in the UK, and the numbers are grim. Yet, he had a counter answer to everything… even the officials numbers on the statement. However, we still got back together, as the pain of the break up was too much to handle. We love and deeply care about each other.
He’s been trying to work with me to find a middle ground. He’s saying he needs to do it and it’s fine if I don’t support it. That I don’t have to be a part of it, that our relationship is separate from this. Yet, he made it clear he will not leave it, but I’ve been living with a quiet hope that he will see the truth about this scheme.
I am living with constant anxiety. Any mention of what he’s doing sends me down a spiral of overthinking. I have to admit there are some good things that come out of this scheme - he really is working on himself and I can see the changes - but the way that it is used in is wrong. Recently he mentioned to someone that he is semi retired, which just confirms my fears about Amway - first, they make people believe that they are living in a different reality and second, they present it to others in a deceptive way.
We are going through a break up again… just on Thursday I had to speak up about how this whole scheme makes me feel. That I will never accept it… that I need to choose my peace, as I can’t be myself with the constant worry. Saying this has torn me apart. He wants us to find a way to work this through… and deep down inside I really want that too. My friend gave me an idea - that in order to for this to have any chance, he would have to go back to full time employment and do Amway on the side. Then we both would have to sacrifice something - I would have to learn to live on the side of the MLM and he would have to go against his wishes. On top of that, I would have a few more requirements: profit and loss tracking and no prospecting when we’re together.
I am here, completely torn. Yesterday was the first day we didn’t speak. I asked for a couple of weeks to think about everything. He said I can always call him if I need to. I am battling with the urge to speak with him. I don’t want to call him if just to make myself feel better… I can’t play with his emotions. I only want to call him if I genuinely would
Considered for a moment bringing it home just for the novelty (never see LLR in Aus) but at $7 AUD, it was NOT worth it
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These huns are bungalows, there's nowt upstairs.
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Healing Magnets MLM?
Does anyone know / remember an MLM that sells cheap devices that use magnets for "healing?" I am a massage therapist and years ago an old coworker kept pestering me to get together. I have known this person a long time, we have a lot of mutual friends, and hung out in the same scene before we both happened to become massage therapists. I was never trying to be besties with this person but they kept reaching out so finally I agreed to hang out with them one night.
When we got to their house (after they had me pick them up from work AND drive them to the grocery store on the way home to buy 5 bags of groceries, lol) they had a whole MLM pitch ready to go. A video presentation complete with gadgets they kept trying to make me hold and wear. It was so stupid and obnoxious.
I cannot remember the company and I had not heard of it before or since. I assume it never took off because it was so ridiculous and obviously just cheap, plastic junk.
Does anyone know this MLM? I stopped answering this person's phone calls after this exhausting evening.
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Mercari seller pushing her ColorStreet crap
I'm a bit of a Mercari addict. I like it better than eBay because I feel like it holds the sellers responsible for either not shipping something or shipping a defective item. I shop on there quite a lot and have only ever had one issue.
This wasn't an *issue*, more of an annoyance.
I bought an unused tube of foundation from a seller. Paid, shipped the same day, got here with no issues. Opened the package and there was the makeup and a couple of cards. Not unusual for sellers to send a thank-you card and a discount code along with orders, so that's what I thought this was. First card I pulled out was a ColorStreet sample thingy. I just said "Eeew!" and tossed it in the trash. Second card was, indeed, a thank-you card...And the first line read as follows: "Thank you so much for supporting my small business! I included a sample of ColorStreet, which I also sell!". I stopped reading right there, ripped up the card, and threw it in the trash. I do my own nails, with real nail polish, and I don't want your crappy nail wraps.
I didn't think to look at her shop before I bought the makeup. I looked at it later that day and, sure enough, it's 95% ColorStreet.
So, kind of a rant, kind of a PSA. Watch out for huns on resale sites.
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Holy Week Turned MLM week
Palm Sunday, Good Friday, Easter…Intended to be Holy Week and it’s turned into narratives of:
•“God brought this opportunity to me because…”
•“This opportunity was delivered by Him and it could be yours too…”
•“He helped me discover my purpose in this opportunity…”
And so on…and so on…and so on…
Last time I checked, shameless self-promo was not part of this week…
And no…a lame attempt at salvaging your own obnoxious MLM posting by summarizing your post with “All the glory goes to God” does not fix ignorance.
What companies are you seeing exploiting Holy Week for financial gain?
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Crazy seeing Color Street reps selling $3 a set
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YALL. Bravenly’s headquarters is a literal UPS store office.
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This hun has gone into damage control. Part 2 of “well, this escalated quickly.
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New Scentsy batches look and smell off… but apparently it’s just the packaging lol
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More reminders that when you fail at MLM, it is entirely your fault. Don’t blame the MLM model that is designed to make 98% of participants fail, it’s you, because you’re lazy.
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New one, maybe- Focalpoint Coaching… business consulting MLM
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I need help
I don’t know if this is the proper subreddit but it’s all I can think of. Recently my mom has joined the Bravenly MLM and is refusing to leave, even after showing her a bunch of proof it’s a scam/weird religious cult. Has anyone else been through a similar situation, how did you convince your family member/friend to leave?
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How to get someone out / gently make them see they are wasting their money?
I am not super close with this girl, but we worked together on a team in the past and many of my friends still work with her, and we are in the same small niche community (creative industry).
A few of us are worried about her, she is doing the whole Kangen water MLM, but she is a very sweet naive girl and does not seem to be doing any kind of success at all, I doubt she has even signed one person up, and she has been doing it for about 1.5 years now, including going to 2 overseas seminars.
She sometimes makes posts about how she feels frustrated at her lack of progress in the business, and that she needs to remind herself that she will succeed if she keeps believing etc.
She also recently posted about doing a 3 day, 10 hours per day, "online mindset training" about committing herself fully to the business... and I think it has just got her deeper into the belief that she will eventually succeed if she keeps spending money on the "business".
What can we do?? She is a very sweet girl, I suspect possibly neuro divergent, and she clearly has gained benefits from doing this such as boosting her self confidence and making social media posts (even if she doesn't get likes on them, I have to admit they do look professional and like she is gaining a transferrable skill).
She expressed before her parents doubted her "business" but it seems her mentor used that as fuel for the fire and to hype her up even more to prove them wrong.
I'm worried even more now because she shared a post by a girl from her mentors team, saying that "Good debt is investing loans into your business" so I am worried she is really going in hard with getting loans and spending cash she doesn't have yet.
Sorry for the long post, any advice on how we can gently nudge her into seeing she is wasting a lot of money with no return? I would hate to see her make irreversable damage to her life.
She also makes posts wearing her staff t shirt at work and likening the MLM business to the work she does at the arts company, I'm worried she will try to scout other people from our community, but I don't want to be a grass and report it to the boss.. but filming MLM content at our work place, it's just making me worried.
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want to try to find a compromise. And one half of me is screaming to do it. But the other part is seeking peace… The thought of him suffering now is breaking my heart.
I was wondering if anyone has any success story of their partner being in an MLM and the relationship still working out? Is it possible to let go of that constant internal conflict and love your partner the way they are, without supporting the MLM? Could me and my partner stand any chance of making it work?
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When MLMs send their Huns to defend their scams, they never send their best or brightest. Possibly two, of the Bravenly Huns arrived here last night, and their attempts were, (as expected), pathetic.
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Amway has officially taken over my family
I’ve been part of the Anti-MLM community for about 10 years now. It all started when a very close and dear friend of mine joined Amway, and soon afterwards cut me off completely when I started to question their business practices and wouldn’t support them by participating in their meetings, conferences or buying any of their products. The loss of this friendship hurt a lot, and since then I started looking at Anti-MLM content, and started spreading awareness and advocating so that people wouldn’t fall for these schemes.
Fast forward to two months ago, a close relative of mine who let’s just say, has had a somewhat troubled past and a history of trying to make “easy money” (the non legal way) he has been trying to turn his life around, and I found out he started a business.
Out of curiosity, I visited his Facebook page to see what type of business he was running, and immediately came across a bunch of Amway products, giveaways, and a bunch of cringey AI generated pro-Amway propaganda videos on how Amways products have “saved lives”, and how Amway is not a scam (its funny, you don’t see a legitimate company like Tide, Colgate, GNC,etc trying so hard to claim they’re not a scam)
I immediately warned my parents (who I live with) and informed them everything I’ve learned about MLMs these past 10 years, and made it very clear not to get involved with any of that Amway crap.
Fast forward about a week later, I come home and see Amway products like toothpaste, supplements, soaps in the house. I confronted my parents about it and they said that they were told that they were very good all natural products and that those major brand products “have chemicals” and may have contributed to my mom’s health problems. 🤦🏽♂️
For the past few weeks I have had to put up with all this Amway hype in my family, in conversations, social media posts by other family members buying the products, and some even considering becoming Amway “business owners” too. They claim that they’re doing it to support my relative’s business, and that I should be glad that this relative is finally doing something good with his life…..which I would normally agree with, but joining Amway was NOT the way to do it.
Fast forward to today, I find out that this relative is going to soon be hosting a presentation at MY HOME (with my parent’s permission) and he pretty much guilt tripped everyone to attend.
Well I don’t plan on being home that day and will fight tooth and nail against these pyramids schemes. It’s unfortunate that it appears that no one in my family will have my back, and will probably seen as the “bad guy”.
It’s scary how these MLMs have so much power in manipulating and brainwashing people!!!!
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How are these places still in business?
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Met a MLM couple at target
My girlfriend and I were at Target recently when we were approached by a couple in their late 50s/early 60s. The guy started chatting me up with some random question, and then his wife joined in. They were super friendly, and we ended up talking for almost 10 minutes.
Something about it felt off in the moment, but I figured they were just an outgoing older couple. The guy kept referring to himself as Dr. (Last Name) which was a bit weird, but we ended up exchanging numbers. (I know, big mistake.)
A week later, he texts me asking how I’m doing. I gave a polite reply, but then he started calling me every Friday. I finally got curious and called him back on Saturday. After a few minutes of small talk, he drops the pitch: he’s working on an "e-commerce business" and wants me and my girlfriend to grab coffee with them on Monday.
When I told him we were busy and that my girlfriend lives a bit further away, he didn't let up. He talked me into a tentative Zoom call instead. He sent the link this morning, but by then my gut was screaming at me. I started reading through similar stories online and realized this is a textbook Amway/MLM recruitment tactic. I ended up texting him that I couldn't make it and cut the conversation there.
Looking back, there were so many red flags. They didn't even have a cart or any items in their hands, they were literally just "hunting" for couples. It’s honestly a little predatory that they specifically pushed for my girlfriend to be there too.
Kinda bummed because I thought they were just being nice, but apparently, Target is the new hunting ground for these schemes. Stay safe out there and don't give your number to "Dr. Target."
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REuse Ringana ROI
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Welp. They made it to reddit.
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Netflix owns tons of movies including stranger things, Amazon also own so many stores including Whole Foods and Zappos. What is she on about?
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Confession It warms my heart Question can’t escape the HUNS
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Start living today.
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How do I help my mom get out of amway
She has signed up to some new spin off on nutrition and about health and wellness.
They are paying her right now but it seems too good to be true. Anyone knows what's happening?
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