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Another Scentsy GoFundMe Scandal.. this time for a chicken!
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WFG story
My brother he keeps giving the mentor and the company $150 or more. What he does he is staying 2-3 hours zoom call all week non stop. Mandatory meeting like WHAT. Even the conversations are mandatory too according to his mentor telling him. My brother keeps asking close friends aka his clients to join the zoom call. Most the meetings is about to get 40k in 3 months which is bs. Ik this is a pyramid scheme. I even showed him comments that people joined lost a lot of money and didn’t earn a single dollar. Does anyone know Adam he is a mentor and he is pushing my brother over edge. If anyone knows him or Nima lmk. What’s is crazy he is not working a real job just only scamming people. He keeps telling different stories to help clients for easy tips for taxpayers and how to be a millionaire in 3-6 months. It sucks now because he is not listening to nobody only Adam his MENTOR and so called trainers tffff!!!!!
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The world is on fire, and according to this hun, the remedy is Bravenly products.
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lol - found scrolling
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Finlly, a place to post these screenshots 🤣
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Have a Zoom call scheduled today
This girl i knew from highschool has been spamming her social media page with MLM nonsense for years now, and I finally got tired of it and decided to pretend to sign up. I'll be entering and recording a Zoom meeting with her and her mentor (at least I think thats how it will go) and have some loose notes and research to confront them with.
It's an Anagic Kangen water MLM team and I just want to have some things straight before I confront them.
- The distinction between a MLM and Affiliate Marketing.
- Why their 'unique' structure makes it fundamentally different than a normal MLM (they claim that because you eventually break free from the people above you with each commission, so therefore its not a traditional MLM)
- Do they actually just straight up sell the water ionizer? I've never seen one of them specifically advertise the items themselves.
- Whether or not they are just flat out lying about getting money.
- Are they sales people? Contractors? What's their title?
These points would be nice for me to have clarity on for a strong argument so that they really have nothing to say to me. Feel free to throw more points or statistics at me!
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My mom is being sucked into another MLM and it's straining our relationship
I love my mom, I really do, but she's never been the easiest person to be around. She's really easily scammed, she is super deep in the wellness rabbit hole and will believe anything you say if you promise it cures you. this becomes an issue for our relationship because the thing she's getting into all these MLMs to cure is me. on a fundamental level she believes that I would be better if I didn't have my disabilities and she blames me having them on the fact that I'm unwilling to try her miracle cures. I accepted long ago that nothing I said or did would change her mind about this, but it still stings every time she tries to sell me her new mlm product and gets upset at me for politely declining.
this time I figured out it was a scam almost immediately, it seems like the first thing out of the mouth of the woman who recruited my mom was about her dads supplement company, and how it's just sooooo good, and soooo many people like it, and my mom being herself ate it up and told her the entire families medical history. wouldn't ya know it, these supplements just so happen to treat every...single....thing we're diagnosed with...and are made with no allergens (we'll get back to that later), and don't interact at all with any medications, and she topped it off by saying that this supplement is totally the only reason her son with FASD and autism is independent. my mom fell for it, as per usual, and once again she has a new product to beat me over the head with.
best/worst part? I can't even take the damn supplement if I wanted to, it contains cranberry which I'm moderately allergic to (won't die but my lips and throat will swell up, not a fun time.) my mom is convinced that I'm only telling her no because of some underlying hatred of her and again I know nothing I say or do will change her mind because I've tried countless times before and she's never responsive, it's in one ear out the other. that doesn't mean it doesn't sting a little every time she accuses me of not wanting to actually "get better" and not trying to improve my health at all (which I know is objectively false, I would not go to nearly as many appointments as I do if I truly weren't trying). she gets so worked up about it and says a lot of mean things every time I turn her down and I just don't know how many more times I can go through this cycle with her. I've told her countless times how much this hurts, why I don't want her to sell me things, why I have the boundaries in place I do, etc. and absolutely nothing works. atp all I do is just go silent every time she comes to me with a new sales pitch (which has got to be at least 75% of our conversations at least) because I don't know what else to do. I'd stop talking to her but I won't move out till this summer at best when I move out of state for college.
I guess what I want to know is how do I stay sane? usually my other family members take my moms side in this so I can't go to any of them, I'm just so tired of being the person she tries to sell shit to 24/7, it's fucking exhausting and I don't know what else to do about it.
tldr, my mom keeps trying to sell me shit and it's killing our relationship
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morning, I get a friend request on Facebook from S. I sent a text message that went a little like this:
“Saw that you sent me a friend request on Facebook. I actually declined it because friendship is not in our future. I don't believe this was ever about true friendship, but recruitment. It all makes sense in hindsight ofc. I will find the time to return your books to you!“ And blocked her number.
Be safe out here. 😭
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In 2023 I was a stagehand at a Primerica event
I used to have a gig job as a stagehand for a local venue. One day we were booked by Primerica and I worked the event.
Our theater, which fits 800 people, was FULL. We are located in a pretty economically depressed and densely populated area of the state so I wasn’t exactly surprised.
Crowd arrived at 7am. It was genuinely sad listening to our front of house staff confiscate coffee cup after coffee cup from the bleary eyed, business casual clad masses.
The event proper started at 8am and it was comical how over the top and high energy the speakers were. They could not read the room at all. It was the crack of dawn and everyone was sleepy. All they really talked about is the certification process and stuff like that. Plus a lot of teary sob stories about families in poverty lifted from their sorry state by the grace of Primerica. They sadly launched like 3 T-shirts into the crowd of 800 people.
What I mostly remember is how LONG the presentations were. The first session was 4 hours long, then an hour lunch break (lunch not provided), then four more hours of presentation. In the live event industry, expecting people to sit for more than two hours is a no-no, but we all realized the grueling length of the event was purposeful so we let it slide.
The only presentation that truly stuck out to me was toward the end of the first session when one woman who was extremely high up in Primerica took the stage. (Maybe she was the founder, I actually don’t remember, but she was very high up the chain). Her presentation? A detailed virtual tour of her multi million dollar home. I’m not exaggerating. She showed us room to room all the features of her luxurious house. Three years later this house is still burned into my brain because she talked about it for at least 45 minutes. Anyway, she ended the session with announcing the lunch break. Except, she made a huge point about how she doesn’t even eat lunch and she works straight through her lunch breaks and encourages everyone to do the same. I’m not kidding when I say I saw her in the green room 20 minutes later devouring a subway foot long.
I will say though, after the event was all said and done, the Primerica people running the event were incredibly kind to us. One guy slipped all the stagehands $100 bills as a tip even though we didn’t work for tips.
Between making the legal minimum hourly wage and the unexpected tip, I can safely say I made more money off Primerica than anyone sitting through those presentations. God bless their souls.
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Checkmate, antiMLM-ers!
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Hun claims her Bravenly product will “reset” all of your organs, and rid your body of “toxins, chemicals, and all the nasty stuff.”
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Should I string out Amway and BWW and waste their time?
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It‘s so misogynistic imo
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TLS / “Light System” — is this MLM-ish (teams/commissions/recruiting) or just a pricey funnel with MLM vibes?
Hey y’all, quick q. I keep seeing “TLS / The Light System” pop up in the wellness/spiritual space and it’s giving me strong MLM-adjacent vibes, but I can’t tell if it’s an actual MLM or just borrowing the same playbook.
Like… the whole thing feels very “get in the room,” “life-changing,” “you gotta commit,” big-ticket $$$, lots of “leaders/facilitators/mentors,” and people talking it up like they’re basically reps even if nobody says “rep.” You know what I mean.
What I’m trying to figure out is the *structure*:
* Is there a comp plan?
* referral codes / “sign up under me” type stuff?
* ranks/levels/teams?
* commission based on recruiting or “group volume”?
* onboarding calls, scripts, trainings, “duplicate the system,” etc?
Because from the outside it kinda looks like: expensive product + hype events + social proof + pressure + “community” = the same funnel-y ecosystem MLMs run, even if it’s technically “not an MLM.”
I’m **not** asking if the product “works” medically or anything like that (not trying to do personal/medical stuff here). I’m also not posting screenshots, names, handles, or telling anyone to contact/report anyone. Just wanna know: **does this thing have the usual MLM bones underneath it, or nah?**
If anyone here has seen the back-end (like an actual comp plan doc, affiliate portal, recruiting incentives, whatever), what should I be looking for? Keep replies public in the comments pls.
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Wife is hearing out Primerica.
My wife was introduced to the company by a mutual friend. My wife is brilliant and has been in the banking industry for 13 years. She wants to change gears and get into helping people with their finances and was told Primerica may be a good start. My brief Google/Reddit search would've had me sprinting the other way but she wants to meet with them. She has not disregarded my warnings and is planning on taking them seriously. I want her to feel I support her because I do I just want her to be knowledgeable enough thay she can see through the nonsense as quick as possible. In order to do both without seeming like im overbearing I feel I should ask people for the best questions for her to ask to help cut through the bullshit and see what's up. Any advise is helpful.
I should note she is in no rush to leave her current job and is merely browsing around to see if any companies around us fit and is not dead set on them.
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Granma almost got sucked into a YoungLiving scam
I happened to be visiting my grandma yesterday at her store. A customer came in, a lady about her age and the conversation got onto the aches and pains that come with being 80.
This asks my grandma about essential oils and my ears perked right up. I was standing near the other end of the counter (It's a very long, straight counter with the register and other things in the center. They were standing at the checkout spot on the left and I was on the empty space near the right end where grandma sorts through and inspects the consignments.
I listened to see where this was going and sure enough this lady starts in about how she's got bone spurs in her neck and after applying essential oils to her skin, it DISSOLVED HER BONE SPURS???
She also has a chiropractor that she goes to in a nearby town. I can't speak on that since go to one myself but she says he's really easy to get into so..idk maybe that's a sign lol The one I go to is easy to get in with as well but you still have make an appointment and it's usually a few days out. She made it sound like you can just walk in to this guy.
I digress.
I took a few steps back and shook my head as the lady spoke, hoping Grandma might notice and get the hint but she didn't. This lady gave her the name "Young Living" and "GC" which is just...another branch of YoungLiving. She also gave the chiropractor's name.
After she left I told Grandma not to mess with that Young Living stuff, it's a pyramid scheme (Wasnt' sure if she'd know what MLM meant or Multi Level Marketing) and that if an essential oil could dissolve bone spurs, then wouldn't it also dissolve her actual bones too?
Like..how would an oil know the difference and know to dissolve the spurs and not the bone? If this really worked, it would be massive in the medicine industry and not just some good smelling liquid that SAHMs go into debt for.
That was a nother thing too. I didn't want her dumping money into snake oil when she's got enough on her plate as it is and that shit doesn't work for anything except aromatherapy and the shit that Tea Tree oil is good for. Worse, I didn't want them trying to recruit her or convicing her to let them use her store to shill their bullshit.
Hopefully this isn't a recurring issue. It was lucky that I was there but I'm not always around. I was surprised she didn't immediately brush it off. She's a pretty smart lady actually and it's always a laugh whenever she picks up the phone and find there to be a scammer on the other end. She picks up on it right away and sometimes fucks with them a little.
I was pretty confident that we wouldn't have to worry about Grandma, she's sharp AF still but I guess now I should be a little more observant just in case.
We are in a small town too so I'm sure this MLM shit is like..more concentrated.
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found on my town's FB group
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It's month end, so cue the desperate huns.
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The cat that got away
I’ve always wanted to share this story. I’ve been approached by so many Huns but my least favorite experience was probably about 12–13 years ago. A large shelter was doing an adoption event at a nearby Petsmart. I fell in love with a cat and asked someone working there about adopting her. She had me fill out the adoption application. We made small talk, but then she brought up how amazing her second job at primarica was. Cue the internal tears. I ended up filling out the wrong information because I was afraid she’d take my information from the application to contact me about joining her MLM instead of reaching out about the cat. I was really young and didn’t know how to speak up for myself, so I walked out of there really sad. I always wonder how that cat is doing.
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I Need Help!
I got a job at this company called "Empire Management Group" what they told me I had to do was "Meet customers at their home that are about to switch or thinking of switching to a different provider and have them stay with Lumen". After I just got a phone call from them saying I was hired, I decieded to look them up, and only found two reddit posts with both showing them in negative regard.
Look I really need this job, and I'll do just about anything to make a sale, sorry but I NEED 15K in 3-4months.
Is this a real job? Can I make decent money here? What is this place?
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Need help !!
so my mom has been consulting a mary kay consultant and forced us ( her kids ) and our family/ her staffs to go for mary kay products. I was shocked by how many things she bought from mary kay and idk how to stop it bc im still studying and my mom is a doctor and she keeps threatening me that she will cut off my allowance if i didnt use mary kay.
idk it has been like such a cult bc i asked my mom to stop all these bc we said that we are fine with our current products since we seek treatment from our dad’s friend who is a dermatologist but no she keeps on going and guilt tripping me. any ideas on how can i stop her mary kay obsession bc it costs a fortune ( like we have money but pls she spent too much recklessly i am actually worried )
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Ringana Undercover Doku (deutsch)
https://youtu.be/II1BPkdAr8o?si=6jq-57_gjb2SQazx
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Almost recruited by Amway
Met this woman in Target late last year. I’m gonna call her S. I said I liked her hair and she was quick to exchange numbers. Shortly after, she’s texting me, asking if I would like to go out for coffee. Plans fell through and I don’t talk to her for a month and change. One day she random texts me asking if I want to have coffee again. I say yes, we meet for coffee, she mentions her and her husband‘s business. Her husband’s name is J.
The word mentorship is thrown around a lot. Husband and I are going through a rough patch so I’m thinking they mentor married couples! The next week, we are at their house. I know the wife stays at home and I know the husband is retired military (did 6 years of service 😒) and is now some sort of instructor. Tbh, I’m confused on how they can afford the huge house they live in and 3 children.
This meeting goes well. J did leave us off with, “there is a business mantra to all of this“ and I’m immediately confused. What business mantra could there be to being marriage counselors? They give us a tour of their massive house and it almost feels like they're showing off. We meet their kids, laugh a little bit, and we leave. J is paying close attention to what my husband is driving, which is a brand new Tacoma.
As soon as we drive off, my husband immediately is like “they're apart of an MLM scheme or something. They’re probably barely affording that house too.” They also showed off their perfume collections, full of knock offs. I thought that was odd. “A $500k house, three children, and they can’t even get the real deal.“
The next day S is texting me, wanting to know our availability for the following week. I’m thinking, “she’s really persistent.” She mentions a training with her mentor that takes place at 9:30PM. I tell her I’m not interested at all because that’s way too late. The next day, I tell her what days are free for my husband and I next week and ofc, she’s persistent about the training again even after I said no. She said that her mentor only comes into town quarterly and it’s a good opportunity blah blah blah. We had some windy weather so ofc, this training with the mentor is cancelled. I believe this “training“ was dependent on my answer. After doing some research on Reddit, the “trainings” are so late because they use sleep deprivation to get to you.
We met with them yesterday at their house and boom, they drop the bomb on us. They work for Amway! It’s like this whole presentation about what Amway is and how you can make money. Oh, and the 40 year plan (where you work and retire) is a waste of time! J said that he wants to be on a jet ski while he’s young, not old which is valid.
My husband and I didn’t have any questions, we just said we are not interested. My husband also straight up said, “so multi level marketing?“ 😭 and oh my did that make it awkward. We got up and J showed us his small gun collection in the garage. After that, I pretty much start putting my coat on and my husband is doing the same. S and J are trying to laugh the awkward vibes away, saying things like “we can still be friends.” and “we can have game nights!” blah blah blah.
My husband and I leave and just talk mad sh!t the whole way home. We couldn’t believe they tried to recruit us. We thought they wanted to be our friends! Hindsight is 20/20 and I’m probably thinking that S hangs around stores in town, looking to start conversation with people, so her and her husband can make money off them. Now that I think about it, she had nothing in her cart the day I met her and was just chilling by customer service.
My husband and I are young, but not dumb. We‘re happy with our jobs and salaries. We don’t live beyond our means and don’t have huge dreams of owning a 5 bedroom house, driving fancy SUVs, we don’t want to be on jet skis, we don’t care for any of that. I never once mentioned we had a large amount of debt or anything, which is what S and J kept saying. Maybe they‘ve got a lot of debt, maybe they live beyond their means and think Amway is ”the way”? I don’t know.
Early this
The Culting of America
Is anyone else reading “The Culting of America” by Daniella Mestyanek Young? So far she hasn’t mentioned MLMs but I can’t help but see them in every aspect of the cults that she’s mentioned so far. I know we already identified that MLMs are retail cults a long time ago, but I thought this group might like this book.
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They spends months, years, claiming that their products “cut out food noise,” and “curbs cravings,” yet mention a storm and they're eating all the “snacks” they can grab.
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UGC-Recruiting?
Hello fellow Anti-MLMers! I was wondering if any of you had some insight.
I follow an old coworker on instagram that used to be in Monat. Thankfully, she got out around 2023, and started doing UGC.
I know that UGC actually pays you for the videos you do, which is great! But now she’s starting to post things like “wanna join the UGC team? Comment below and I’ll DM you!”…like she’s trying to recruit people? She had a ton of posts like that now.
I’m wondering if you do also get some sort of recruiting bonus? Or maybe her *mindset* is too far into MLMs? OR maybe it’s something like a UCG “masterclass” that she’s selling?
I don’t know, I was just curious if anyone has heard of UGC recruiting. Let me know 😊
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The time a scentsy hun assaulted me because I have a fragrance allergy and I asked her not to use samples in the classroom
I already posted this story a long time ago but I deleted that account. I figure I'd repost this story about why I freaking hate scentsy.
I was in college and the Hun was what we called a mature student. She was in her 40s and was in my program. One problem I've always had is that I have a fragrance allergy/sensitivity. I also recently was diagnosed with asthma and I've probably had it all my life. When I'm exposed to fragrance I get itchy, get a rash and most inconveniently my breathing gets choked up. In most situations if it's on a person I can just move away.
This hun insisted on sampling body sprays and scentsy wax melts before class in the lecture hall. Unfortunately my college had a thing where there was a set schedule so I had all my classes with her. I asked her in person not to do it and she gave me some sparky remark about how I wasn't the boss of her and she needed the money to support her kids. My friends then caught her spraying where I usually sat with perfume. I walked in got sick and immediately went to the clinic on campus. The nurse prescribed me a rescue inhaller and helped me email my program chair about the incident.
The very same day every student in my program gets an email about how scented products are strictly forbidden in lecture halls. Our one professor went on a rant about how we where supposed to be training to work with kids with physical and intellectually disabilities/delays and how important it is not to use heavy fragrance around them.
Hun was not happy and during that same lecture as I was leaving she walked straight up to me and sprayed me in the face I loudly yelled "What the F*ck is your problem!". My friends got into a verbal altercation with her and I got carted off to the nurses office. I had to throughly scrub my face in the sink and thank goodness I wear glasses. I emailed the program chair what happened and they had security cameras in the room.
Sadly she didn't get kicked out of the program. She got forcibly switched to a different schedule, so we'd be apart. She became a pariah in our program since she was 40 something bullying a 18 year old.
Sadly this isn't the first or last time my allergy has been weponized against me. My in-law did the same.thing she knew if I was coming over she'd crank up every scentsy wax warmer in the house. Jokes on her now she's got so much wax residue on the walls last I saw it will be next to impossible to repaint without heavy chemicals or steam to strip it off.
I also had a coworker do the same thing. I was the cleaner and she refused to turn the wax warmer off in her office so I refused to clean it and girl was a slob so she ended up with moldy food in her office. She finally relented but from time to time I would come to work and my cleaning closet door would smell like body spray. I could never prove it was her though.
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Has anyone heard of Minut?
So on a local business page on Facebook, I came across a woman pitching a webinar. Went to the website she linked and it looked like a pretty simple copy + paste job. Did a Google search for some of the text on the page, found 2 or 3 others just like it. Each page has some vague information about "flexible incomes while working from home"; always the same story as well. Mum of 1 or 2 kids, high-flying corporate employee who never got time with her family, a couple of testimonials with about 5 common testimonies across all the pages. Each page also has a lock image as the browser icon.
I did an inspect on the page which showed some assets being retrieved from asset-landingi, which is a login page for a Minut account.
When I search for Minut, I see it's some kind of platform + sensor for short-term rental landlords that gives info about smoking, noise, crowd detection....basically all of the usual invasion of privacy stuff.
I'd never heard of this before, let alone seen anyone pitching it. Have I ended up in the right place? Is Minut operating under an MLM model? Keen to see if anyone has heard of them.
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tried looking into jafra after seeing one aesthetic pinterest photo of their royal jelly and i'm confused... why are there so many bottle designs for one product. it's all the same thing???
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Thrive and Monat uplines have given up on her.
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