Daily reminder that platonists (and other philosophers) were considered atheists by Hellenic Pagans while early christians praised them as their precursors. Here’s what Justyn Martyr wrote:
He is the Word of whom every race of men were partakers; and those who lived reasonably are Christians, even though they have been thought atheists; as, among the Greeks, Socrates and Heraclitus, and men like them.
While myths were indeed stories, I argue that these stories were understood as literal truths by most ancient people.
The gods were revered as living beings that actively shaped the world and their lives. Archaeological findings and written records provide undeniable evidence of this veneration, demonstrating that from our earliest accounts to the last known attestations, these myths were regarded as reflections of a real history.
This history was passed down through generations to ensure that future descendants could learn from and carry on the beliefs of their ancestors.
To reject literalism is to break from the historical continuity of these beliefs.
Kyle Davis
In this passage from Arrian’s “Anabasis,” the historian expresses his belief that Alexander the Great’s extraordinary life and achievements were the result of divine influence. Arrian suggests that a figure as remarkable as Alexander could not have been born without the intervention of the gods, indicating the widespread belief in divine involvement in human affairs.
Kyle Davis
In contrast, the works of Homer, Herodotus, and others portray the ancient Greeks as both respecting and fearing their gods as literal beings who held sway over their daily lives, emotions, and fortunes, often depicting the gods as making their presence known to their followers.
Kyle Davis
Are myths meant to be viewed literally?
Those who reject mythic literalism often turn to ancient Greek philosophers to support their beliefs.
Xenophanes was among the first to challenge this traditional worldview, which held that humans were the direct descendants or creations of the gods, a belief deeply embedded in Greek society and reflected in the works of Homer and Hesiod. By advocating for a more abstract and symbolic understanding of the divine, Xenophanes broke from the prevailing mythic literalism of his time, arguing that humans mold their gods to fit their own image and comfort.
https://norroena.org/mythic-literalism-vs-allegorical-interpretation/
Will stop with the Notes of the White Partisan. I’ve translated more just for myself, but the most important info is perfectly encapsulated in the two quotes above.
Читать полностью…Shkuro’s Notes of the White Partisan
In Don, Kuban and Terek there’s no jewish population. Individual jews—doctors, lawyers and members of intelligentsia who live in the cities don’t differ from russian elite. Therefore, at the start of the civil war cossacks didn’t know about jews and were not aware of the jewish question at all. As my men moved to the North and West of Don region we happened upon towns with high jewish population. Cossacks stationed at the locals’ houses heard a lot of frustrated people talking about the jews’ leading role in Bolshevism, that many commissars and chekists are jewish and that they boast saying:
—We gave you God, we’ll give you a king too.
Also, since the public perceived christianity as traditional and patriarchal (even though christian doctrine is against distinctions be they racial, ethnic, social and even sexual) early on many neo-Pagans tried to appeal to women and overcompensated by empowering them to the point of absurdity. Even outside of Wicca there’s a sentiment that unlike christianity which suppresses women, Paganism gives them freedom. But said freedom is limited to being good mothers. Some may make an argument about magic, but that’s a simplification of sources which never state that magic was a female domain only. If anything there’s plenty of examples of men cursing, blessing and divining in no way less effectively than women. And female warriors, while historical, were still a rare minority.
Читать полностью…Going to write about some mistakes made by modern Pagans early on (80-90s). Some of those haunt us to this day after all. Already dealt with the topic before, but it’s always something worth coming back to (and it was a while ago).
Читать полностью…Ancient Pagans believed that one can just randomly meet Gods outside or see them after a ritual. There are countless tales of both heroes and common men dealing with the Gods directly. This genuine belief and connection are impossible with abstract reconstructions of perennials school where gods have no real connection to races and lands (Blood and Soil). Just goes on to show that it’s nothing but a new age trend e-pagans promote. Like all internet trends it will die off soon.
Читать полностью…If you think that the Gods as presented in myth and lore are just human interpretations of abstract higher powers you are not a Pagan. Such syncretic/perennial worldview is based on modern secular theories none of your ancestors even heard of. It’s the same idea atheists have about the Gods being human inventions except syncretists/perennialists add that there are some unknown real gods out there who are either unable or unwilling to show themselves and clarify what they truly are. Or they are intentionally deceiving humans by taking different forms to appeal to different people. That just means they are manipulative liars. Some gods you believe in, heretics.
Читать полностью…Typical platonist (ie atheist) on X with his enlightened takes us myth-believing plebs can’t understand. Praying to Pagan gods is pure stupidity because they are non-existent, meanwhile praying to christ-logos is based and intellectual.
Читать полностью…In this passage from The Njal Saga, Steinvora challenges the Christian missionary Thangbrand by asserting the reality of Thor’s power. She claims that Thor once challenged Christ to single combat, and Christ did not dare fight him. She further argues that Thor shattered Thangbrand’s ship, describing in verse how Thor, in his wrath, caused a storm that destroyed the vessel. This shows that Thor was seen as a literal, powerful being, capable of physical intervention and superior to Christ in Steinvora’s view.
Kyle Davis
In this passage from Herodotus’ Histories (Book 6, 105-106), Phidippides, an Athenian runner, encounters the god Pan while traveling to Sparta. Pan speaks to him, asking why the Athenians had neglected to honor him, despite his past help and future promises. The Athenians believed Phidippides’ account and, in response, built a temple for Pan and offered yearly sacrifices. This story shows how the ancient Greeks viewed their gods as literal beings who could directly intervene in human affairs, influencing decisions and demanding worship.
Kyle Davis
Plato departs from the traditional approach of mythic literalism by emphasizing the use of myths as allegories rather than taking them as literal accounts of the gods’ actions. He promotes the idea that myths should be reinterpreted to convey moral lessons and serve as tools for ethical education. By rejecting the literal belief in the gods as portrayed in traditional mythology, Plato challenges widely accepted views and reshapes the stories to reflect his philosophical values of justice, virtue, and reason. This move toward allegorical interpretation represents a clear break from the conventional Greek belief in the gods as real, interventionist beings.
Kyle Davis
Keep in mind that from 1918 to 1925 Red Army was led by Leon Trotsy (Bronstein) a jew from a wealthy landowner’s family. Trotsky and another jew Lenin (Blank) were the leaders of the communists who started the civil war. Bronstein was noted as the reason why Bolsheviks won the war. Ironically Trotsky was eventually betrayed by a small-time, Middle-Eastern crook Ioseb dze Jughashvili later known as Stalin.
Читать полностью…Usually, upon capturing Red Army troops, cossacks commanded:
—Hey, kikes, step up!
And immediately cut the ones who did to pieces. The jews who learned about this put on crosses beforehand, to pose as christians, but since some of them were spotted by the accent, cossacks stopped believing the crosses and checked the bodies of the captured slaughtering all circumcised.
In the sources female magic amounts to divination performed by young girls to glance at future husbands (not very strong and independent, isn’t it?) and protective charms to cast on a sick child (again, directly tied to a female’s role as a mother).
Even Germanic seidr is not some fem-magic, it’s just black magic explicitly described as evil as opposed to galdr and spá which are not only mentioned more, but also considered as normal as magic can be.
Mistakes of early revival
Mistake #1 trying to be nothing but anti-christianity
We all know that christianity is a sect of judaism created to destroy nations. But what was it in mid 20th c.? Sure, the subversive elements were there, but some parts were taken from Paganism. Hardcore, bible-accurate christianity was (still is) not popular. Therefore trying to be the opposite has led to bizarre anti-religious guys who do not kneel, do not believe in Gods and even go as far as saying that Paganism is science, not faith.
There are many different solar deities in European traditions. The supposed original sun god perennialists "reconstruct" is male, but in some tradition the solar deity is female like Sol in Germanic one. So this true solar god either doesn’t care what humans think he is or is just a plaything in mortal hands powerless to stop them from turning him into whatever they want. It makes the supposed progenitor gods so powerless they may as well be nothing but memes i.e. ideas (because they are) or so distant and careless there’s no point in worshipping them.
Читать полностью…What is Perennialism?
According to perennialism.org, "The perennial philosophy states that at the heart of each authentic tradition lies One Universal, Timeless Truth that transcends all time and space. This Truth is beyond being. This Truth is the source of Scared Revelation. This Truth is God."
Often utilized in new age movements, modern perennialism originates from the theosophical society's Helena Blavatsky. The goal of theosophy is, "To form a nucleus of the universal brotherhood of humanity, without distinction of race, creed, sex, caste, or colour; to encourage the study of comparative religion, philosophy, and science; and to investigate unexplained laws of Nature and the powers latent in human beings."
Essentially, they claim that in the far distant past all humanity had one religion. And that mystery religion could be rediscovered through comparative mythology & combining faiths into a new one universal religion, which they claim is ancient.
Evola and Guénon use this & dubb it "traditionalism™"