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Decided to watch and review Clash of the Titans. It’s an interesting case of a movie where I have a lot of both praise and criticism.
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Man, christians love the movie. Little wonder why. Like how they shit on Tolkien who was equally (if not more) christian but not that blatant about it. Also, why is jesus a lion in Narnia? Isn’t he a sacrificial lamb or something? Guess a giant talking sheep would be too cringe.
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Movie night. Going to check something out soon keeping your comments in mind. Hatewatching Midsommar is not on the list today though. Maybe later.
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Factual v Allegorical interpretation
Part 1
Today we live in a culture dominated by post modernist literary theory, which states that if you didn't see it, or ask the author what they really meant, you can never know what they meant. Therefore you can read into it whatever meaning you want it to mean. It's a type of relativism which states, "you have your truth, I have my truth."
An example of ancient post modernist ideals can be found in Plato's Euthyphro, quote,
"Soc. And do you really believe that the gods, fought with one another, and had dire quarrels, battles, and the like, as the poets say, and as you may see represented in the works of great artists? The temples are full of them; and notably the robe of Athene, which is carried up to the Acropolis at the great Panathenaea, is embroidered with them. Are all these tales of the gods true, Euthyphro?
Euth. Yes, Socrates; and, as I was saying, I can tell you, if you would like to hear them, many other things about the gods which would quite amaze you."
According to this mistaken post, "one of the oldest rune poems says, Odin = "war-chief" Jupiter." 😂
• The claim only appears once, in all skaldic poetry, in The Arnamagnæan Collection.
• This "oldest rune poem" is speculated to be from 1500, 500 years after conversion, 230 years after the Poetic Edda was written. Thus the claim of "oldest" made by the likes of pie perennialist Curwen Rolinson, is false and obscurantist.
• This collection was compiled and the claim of authenticity made by one Árni Magnússon in the 18th century, who bequeathed his collection to the University of Copenhagen after his death in 1730.
• The text shows foul-play by using improper Latin for the title of Jupiter, as noted by chad, trying to make it sound older than it is. Akin to Joseph Smith of Mormonism in the 19th century "translating" texts in 17th century Shakespearian english to fraudulently imply authority via antiquity.
“A lie can travel around the world and back again while the truth is lacing up its boots.” - Mark Twain
Elder Seer by Jon Campbell aka Brittonic Celt
https://x.com/BrittonicChief
This nigrum deum as the original Latin puts it is very unlikely to have been a part of any pre-christian faith. Not only is he not found anywhere else (folklore or texts on other tribes), but also reeks of christian (Zoroastrism inspired) worldview. It’s a rare case when I agree with A.Brückner and A.Szyjewski who saw Chernobog as a result of christian influence which began approx. since Xth century. It’s also quite possible that the passage above presents Helmold’s own interpretation, rather than a Pagan belief.
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Who is Chernobog?
Most probably remember Disney’s classic anthology Fantasia which features a devil-like creature having a little party accompanied by Mussorgsky’s Night on the Bald Mountain. The scene is inspired by christian interpretation of Pagan celebrations which often took place on on top of hills, such as Lysa Hora (Bald Mountain) in Kyiv which has a group of idols on top of it and is a popular destination for Slavic Pagans. The name Chernobog is an interesting one and the deity(?) bearing it frequents Pagan debates. Let’s delve deeper.
Is there any particular type of content you want? A return of reviews (movies, books), more translations, folklore retellings etc. Feel free to leave a comment, I’ll read them all.
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Offerings of food and drink were at times buried in vessels of clay. It's no coincidence we find so many clay vessels and (in the current day) name entire ancient cultures based off these.
The Land gives to us, so too should we return the favor
Any sort of queer theory in connection with Óðinn rather tends to qualify as some sort of modern myth in accordance with popular ideas in the contemporary world, but hardly with the norms of one of the most homophobic societies one can possibly imagine, that of the Germanic Iron Age.
Jens P. Schjødt
It is true that Odin’s foray into seid was done in service of fate, and indeed Thor’s taboo violation was likewise necessary for the preservation of the world. However, a choice between the lesser of two evils (which is how both narratives are presented) is hardly justification for labeling a character’s sexual identity.
J.G.Harker
Odin’s association with seid is based entirely upon a single event in which he used it as a mechanism for achieving sex with a woman.
J.G.Harker "On the overblown association between Odin, seid, and ergi"
Honor the gods yourself in every way according to the usage of your ancestors, and compel others to worship them. Hate and punish those who introduce strange gods, not only for the sake of the gods, (he who despises them will respect no one,) but because those who introduce new gods engage a multitude of persons in foreign laws and customs.
Mæcenas
Recently a relative tried to convince me to use the work here as a source of revenue. While not opposed to the idea of monetizing one’s content it’s not for me. Free money is tempting, but I was not raised to rely on others when it comes to income. Since young age I had a family to feed (my mother and sister) and never got to experience the (relatively) carefree life of a single adult, despite being one. Maybe if my channel becomes a part of a bigger whole e.g. a research organization like Norroena Society I’d be willing to ask for financial support, but for now, simple shares and likes are enough.
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Let’s fight evil!-said Jesus Aslan to his army of mythical monsters
christian fantasy, lol
Since the topic of movies came up, remember 2005 Narnia adaptation? Got some free time yesterday and rewatched most of it. Haven’t seen the movie since release (20 years ago, man time sure flies). No woke and practical effects are refreshing, but…christian propaganda is really on the nose. Why do fauns, dwarves, centaurs and other mythical creatures call humans sons of Adam and daughters of Eve? Why do they celebrate christmas? Why did Liam Neeson lion sacrifice himself to bad guys in a Pagan inspired ritual? C.S. Lewis was a huge christcuck that’s why. Otherwise a decent flick, nowhere near as good as LOTR, but that’s a high bar.
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Factual v Allegorical interpretation
Part 3
By saying the legends are allegory, the Allegoricalists are saying the legends, which is how we know who the Gods are, what they did and why they did it, are moving them from religious fact to religious fiction.
There are several problems that arise from this, unless the Allegoricalists take a quasi-atheistic style of understanding:
• When the Gods interact with & blessed mortals who gave sacrifice, is that just allegory?
• When the Gods interact with mortals in person, in disguise sometimes, is that just alligory?
• When the Gods have children with mortals producing Royal Lineages, Demigods & Heroes, which are found all throughout the legends & in all Pagan faiths, is that just allegory?
Sometimes people who take ancestral faith seriously get accused of being like christians; acting as if christians are the only ones who take their religious material seriously. The Gods do things irl, that's Paganism & how the average person in antiquity understood the faith
Muses Melpomene and Thalia by Giuseppe Mazzei
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Celtic Myth by John Howe
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Belobog, a yang to Chernobog’s ying is straight up modern fiction, not found in any sources. Just a semi-academic attempt to derail Slavic Paganism and turn it into something it never was. The duo is mostly ignored by modern practitioners, though some do worship the pair, then again some don’t care what they believe in as long as it’s not christianity (even if it’s equally axial age). This sad lack of pattern recognition is an issue of modern Paganism in general.
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Chernobog is mentioned in only one source, namely the XII c. Chronica Sclavorum written by a Saxon priest Helmold of Bosau.
Also, the Slavs have a strange delusion. At their feasts and carousals, they pass about a bowl over which they utter words, I should not say of consecration but of execration, in the name of [two] gods — of the good one, as well as of the bad one — professing that all propitious fortune is arranged by the good god, adverse, by the bad god. Hence, also, in their language, they call the bad god Diabol, or Zcerneboch, that is, the black god.
Those who can change themselves can change the world
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Then they saw a great multitude of farmers coming to the assembly and carrying between them a huge image of a person, adorned with gold and silver. And when the farmers that were at the assembly saw that, then they all leapt up and bowed down to this monstrosity. After that it was placed in the middle of the assembly field. On one side sat the farmers, on the other the king and his men. After that Dala-Guðbrandr stood up and said:
‘Where is your God now, king? I think that now that he is carrying the beard on his chin rather low, and it looks to me as if your bragging and that of the horned chap that you call bishop and sits there next to you is less than yesterday, for now our god is come, who rules all things, and is looking at you with keen eyes, and I see that you are now frightened and scarcely dare raise your eyes. Now put aside your superstition and believe in our god, who has you entirely at his mercy.
Medieval Celtic by Goran Gligović
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Odin is overwhelmingly treated by ancient sources as a masculine character. He is constantly engaged in war-related activities and is involved with several different women.
J.G.Harker
Isolated incidents of taboo violation are not otherwise unheard of in Norse mythology. The notion calls to mind the poem Þrymskviða and Thor’s own involvement with cross-dressing. In that context, Thor explicitly pushes back against Heimdall’s suggestion that he should disguise himself as Freyja in order to retrieve his stolen hammer.
However, Loki is able to remind Thor that the safety of the world hangs in the balance so long as his hammer is missing. Understanding this to be true, Thor reluctantly agrees to the plan.
J.G.Harker
Got in contact with one of my artists and commissioned a piece which Germanic followers of mine will definitely appreciate since it depict a very rarely discussed moment from the prophecy of Ragnarok.
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Scottish fairy tale illustrations by Nika Goltz
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Not pointing fingers but there’s plenty of influential talking heads professing (with varying levels of sincerity) what they call Pagan worldview. But on closer inspection almost all of them are not religious at all. What YouTube pundits promote is a bizarre mix of new-age esoterica and Pagan esthetics with occasional far-right whistleblowing. The result of this is a rather sad state modern Paganism is in, being far from a proper return to Ancestral spirituality. When a person such as yours truly tries to oppose this regrettable status quo the results are, alas, not as trendsetting as we’d like them to be. As much as we try to wrest the narrative away from the shills, the task may seem impossible at the moment. Beside effort alone, it requires connections and technical skills which a normal person simply does not possess. But, it’s still imperative to try. As over-dramatic as it may sound, our future is at stake. So, if you can, join the fight, either by sharing our content or creating your own.
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