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Met some of our friends during our house visits at BB. May our loved ones always stay close like this lovely family. Everyone's looking cheerful and in anticipation of better things to come. And here's wishing all our Muslim friends a joyful and peaceful holy month of Ramadan.

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I was at the home of this lovely young couple, Ice and Jay, for a My Cake Your Coffee session. Both of them are dance artists who own a dance studio. Ice, a London graduate, is a member of a local dance theatre company and Jay is multi-talented who not only performs dance but is also an accomplished videographer and swim coach.

This is the nicest part of what I’m doing – meeting people with such diverse backgrounds and passion. It truly is a joy to see BB with so much talent and verve among its residents, something which we should celebrate by coming together more often as a community. And therein, lies our hope for our nation.

BB residents, if you'd like me to come visit you in our My Cake Your Coffee series, please drop me a note. See you.

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Continuing to engage BB residents and keeping you informed of what we're doing in the constituency. Fasting month akan datang for our Malay-Muslim friends, so will be seeing a lot more of you soon.

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Don't forget, the IG Live chat is happening later this evening at 8pm on Dr Walid J. Abdullah's IG account: instagram.com/walidj.abdullah.

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SDP's Secretary General Dr Chee Soon Juan will be joining Dr Walid J. Abdullah on his regular IG Live Chat series "Teh Tarik with Walid" next Tuesday 6 April at 8pm.

Dr Walid J. Abdullah is an Assistant Professor at the Public Policy and Global Affairs Program, Nanyang Technological University. He completed his Ph.D. under the Joint Degree Program between National University of Singapore and King’s College, London. He works on relationships between Islam and the state, political Islam, and political parties and elections.

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A resident reported that the lift at Blk 621 BB Central is on autopilot, stopping on every floor whether you want it or not. Those living on the upper floors must be tearing their hair out. Jurong-Clementi Town Council, get it fixed, please.

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And the absurdities continue. This time regarding roller blinds for shops in BB. Why on earth would anyone install a blind in front of a wall? When I asked the stall-owner, he said that it served no purpose.

Other blinds were installed at shopfronts which already have shelters which means that direct sunlight is not a problem. All this shows that authorities are not paying attention to what they are doing.

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Touching base with friends at BB during house-visits. It's always good to see residents with warm smiles, makes the visits rewarding. Have a great weekend, all.

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Mr Lim at Blk 106, BB Central sent me a message about the lack of a shelter for a walkway ramp from the car drop-off point to his block (see photo). A separate staircase to the block is, however, sheltered.

This creates a problem for those (the wheelchair bound and parents with strollers) who depend on the ramp to get home especially when it rains.

Mr Lim had raised the issue with a TC official more than 10 years ago (during ex-MP David Ong’s tenure). Back then, the officer noted the request and said he would revert but never did.

“Sadly, nothing has changed, Please help. Appreciate. God bless,” Mr Lim remarked.

I visited the block to see the situation for myself, and Mr Lim was right. The photo shows a ramp leading to the said block but did not have a cover.

Three takeaways from the matter at hand:

One, Mr Murali or TC should get back to Mr Lim – and the residents of Blk 106 – even though it’s a decade belatedl, and start building the shelter. Why? Because…

Two, the adjoining Blk 105 has two ramps – not one staircase and one ramp, but two ramps (see photo). And they are right next to each other, one of which is covered.

Why did the planners build two ramps for one block and no covered ramp for another?

Three, in its response to the petition calling for a sidewalk to be built along Blks 190-193, JRTC said that such a sidewalk needed to ensure that it serves “all residents including mobility challenged residents who will need...protection from the elements.”

After more than 10 years neglecting/ignoring calls for a ramp-shelter to be built at Blk 106, the TC suddenly gets all moral and preaches that a walkway at Blks 190-193 must have a shelter.

This is another nail in the coffin of excuses offered by the TC in its “consideration” of whether to build the sidewalk at Blks 190-193 or not.

The TC is tying itself up in knots.

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Upon hearing that the residents are collecting signatures to ask Mr Murali and the Jurong-Clementi Town Council (JRTC) to build a sidewalk along the service road from Blks 190-193, the TC’s General Manager Mr Jeffrey Wong responded with a letter.

In it, he cited 6 factors that must be considered before such a pavement can be built. I list each factor below and explain why these are mere excuses and not good reasons for not building the sidewalk.

1. JRTC: "In considering the viability of building a walkway, safety of the residents is important to us."

This is ironic as the residents have been citing safety as the reason for wanting the walkway. I will, in the coming days, cite the real case of a resident who was hit by a passing car. I append the photo again which I have posted several times, the close call a little girl had while walking on the road.

I’ve said it many times before and I say it again here: For the safety of the residents, build the sidewalk.

2. JRTC: "Ensuring walkways serve all residents, including mobility challenged residents who will need barrier free access, protection from elements and safety features such as railings."

I will show, in the next few days, that not all walkways built in the past serve all residents and protect them from the elements – especially residents who are mobility-challenged.

This is another excuse, not a valid reason, for not constructing the pavement.

3. JRTC: "Whether there are existing walkways that can serve the residents."

Yet another excuse. I have shown in this video that even though there is an existing sheltered walkway at Blk 642, the TC is proposing that a shelter be built over another pavement just steps away.

If the TC can unnecessarily build two sheltered walkways next to each other at Blk 642, it can surely build one at Blk 194.

I also cited that, in Toa Payoh, even though there is an existing walkway, another sheltered walkway was constructed just steps away. If it is ok for Toa Payoh, why not for BB?

4. JRTC: "Ensuring that the paths are wide enough for all classes of users."

This is another excuse as I highlighted in my post here that residents in the area have been calling for the passageway along the flyover on Ave 1 to be widened because it is dangerously narrow.

For the longest time, the authorities ignored the residents’ pleas until I raised the subject in Sep last year.

Now that the residents are calling for a sidewalk to be built, the TC suddenly develops a conscience and insists that a sidewalk must be wide enough.

5. JRTC: "Whether there are challenges arising from site conditions such as trees, lamp-posts...uneven terrain"

If Switzerland can build the Large Hadron Collider, if the English and French can dig the Channel Tunnel, if the Chinese can build the Bailong Elevator, if the UAE can send a mission to Mars, if Venice can build a tide barrier, then Singapore can overcome a couple of lamp-posts and “uneven terrain” and build a humble sidewalk in Bukit Batok.

6. JRTC: "Costs involved in building the amenity."

If the TC can build expensive and, frankly, quite useless amenities like the “amphitheater” behind Blk 194 or propose bizarre ideas like constructing linkways that link to nowhere or replace costly canvas roof-coverings at the basketball court when it looks to be still in good condition, then isn’t it hypocritical to talk about costs when it comes to a simple pavement? Remember, we are investing in the safety of the residents.

We have irrefutably demonstrated that each of the “factors” the TC cited is not grounded in fact and reason. They are excuses not to do what the residents want and, more important, what is essential.

Please stop the excuses already and tell the residents definitively that the pavement will be constructed and constructed soon.

I will be at the void deck at Blk 192 to help collect more signatures from 2-4 pm. Today is the last day to sign the petition. Even if you don’t use the route personally, support your neighbours who do. See you later!

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In the last couple weeks, we’ve been helping residents who want to see a sidewalk built at a BB neighbourhood collect signatures to be sent to Jurong-Clementi Town Council (JRTC).

The TC recently announced that it was seeking feedback for ideas for its Neighbourhood Renewal Programme for Blks 187 to 299. The deadline for submissions of the proposals is 28 Feb 2021.

Rather than build nonsensical structures that they don’t need or want, residents want a much-needed pavement beneath Blks 190-193. This is because pedestrians currently have to walk on the road itself creating a dangerous situation.

But despite pleas from residents, Mr Murali has refused to build the pavement. Instead, he has proposed some very dubious - not to mention expensive - projects that are unnecessary and wasteful.

Many residents in the neighbourhood have signed a petition asking the JRTC to build the pathway for safety reasons. In fact, more than 70 per cent who were home when we visited, signed it.

We will be visiting the blocks again this evening to help residents collect more signatures. Hope to see you then.

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Visited more residents this week with my party mates. Always good to see you in BB and thanks for sharing your thoughts and views. Coming round to seeing more of you all in the coming weeks and months.

CSJ

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We organised a lunch for seniors at BB and had a simple and relaxing meal over some interesting conversations. A pity we couldn't have more attendees due to the Covid restrictions. No worries, though, we're planning to have this on a monthly basis. So friends, if you're a senior at BB, please join us at our next session.

WhatsApp us at 8413 0302 if you are keen.

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Missed the IG Live chat with Dr Chee and Dr Walid J. Abdullah? Fret not, you can catch up on what you missed at www.instagram.com/tv/CNU4UgXCheH/

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To all our Christian friends, have a prayerful Good Friday and Happy Easter! May joy and peace find you and your loved ones.

CSJ

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Here we go again.

This time it’s the flap over Muslim women personnel in the uniformed services donning the tudung.

On 8 March, Minister for Muslim Affairs Masagos told Parliament: “Allowing tudungs would introduce a very visible religious marker that identifies every tudung-wearing female nurse or uniformed officer as a Muslim.”

And how is this not good? Mr Masagos explained: Because “we do not want patients to prefer or not prefer to be served by a Muslim nurse, nor do we want people to think that public security is being enforced by a Muslim or non-Muslim police officer.”

His deputy Dr Maliki Osman added that “In the case of public healthcare services, the uniform [without the tudung] underscores that our healthcare workers are neutral and provide impartial care regardless of race or religion…. This is in addition to the uniform meeting operational and safety requirements.”

But of course. After all, who would want our healthcare workers to be biased when it comes rendering their services or, worse, jeopardise safety requirements?

Which is why Singaporeans were stunned when Home Minister Shanmugam revealed that the government “can see good reasons why nurses should be allowed to wear the tudung if they choose to do so” and then added that…drumroll… “there is likely to be a change from the current position.”

Surprising as Mr Shanmugam’s announcement was, it wasn’t the most eyebrow-raising fact. What stood out like an arthritic thumb that just got whacked by a hammer was his revelation that discussion about the govt’s change of heart had been going on for the last half-a-year.

Which means one of two things:

One, Mr Masagos and Dr Maliki were not privy to such discussion or thinking. Question is: (A big fat) Why? They were Muslim ministers in-charge of matters Muslim, were they not?

Two, both of them DID know what was going on. If this is the case, why did they say what they said in Parliament and not tell the public what Mr Shanmugam subsequently let on?

Were Masagos and Shanmugam not in the same chat group? Was Masagos not alerted that Shanmugam would, at some point, tell S’pore that the govt would likely relent on its current position (the heads-up would have been helpful because Masagos could have tempered his speech in Parliament)? And, curiously, why was it left to Shanmugam to inform the public when Masagos is the Muslim minister?

The whole thing seems rather bizarre. But then again why should it? The mess over Dr Balakrishnan’s non-promise that the Trace Together data would strictly be accessed for Covid-related purposes only or the stranger-than-fiction explanation that Kranji forest was cut down “by mistake” should make it clear that bizarre is what S’poreans have come to expect from the current set of ministers.

As I wrote in a previous post, the PAP’s “exceptional” leadership (touted, of course, by that same leadership) is heavy on rhetoric and light on reality. Like all those pics in colourful brochures, the real thing is usually less flattering.

(Note: The SDP has been championing the right of Muslim females to don the tudung in the civil service/schools for the last couple of decades.)

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Continuing house visits at BB and keeping residents updated about what we're doing in the estate and, more importantly, hearing their views on national as well as neighbourhood matters.

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BB resident Salim bin Said wrote to me regarding a matter he had hoped Mr Murali would help him with. Unfortunately, according to Mr Salim at least, after waiting for 2.5 hours at an MPS (Meet-the-People Session) to see the MP, his request was not attended to.

Why do MPs, working part-time only but drawing a salary of $16k a month, make residents suffer such a time-wasting ordeal just to seek assistance? As I indicated during the GE last year, MPs should go full-time. This would allow them to hold more than one MPS a week – and not only during the evenings – to cut down on waiting time for residents.

Below is Mr Salim’s letter in full.

Dear Dr Chee,

I hope you are well.

I am a resident of Bukit Batok. On Friday (5th March 2021), we were told to come for the MPS as they wanted to assist me with my case (Appeal for re-employment).

My daughter had represented me as they only allowed one person to enter the meeting area.

After about 45 minutes of waiting, it was our turn. According to my daughter, the officer took notes of what the issue was. After which, the officer suggested to speak to MP Murali further with regards to the matter. We were hopeful.

While waiting, the same officer had approached us to inform that we had to wait a little longer. We asked the officer what will the action taken with regards to the matter and the officer gave us a glimpse of hope that they may write in to the company with regards to the matter as I failed to get through with union and MOM previously.

After 2.5 hours of waiting, my daughter went in to speak to Mr Murali. To her utter disappointment, Mr Murali did not even mention about the action taken for the matter at all which is what we are waiting to hear. He merely told my daughter to advice me to come for a career fair or job exhibition at the community centre. That's all. After probing further about how MP Murali will help to get me re-employed, he sternly re-emphasized about the career fair which is obviously not answering our question. MP Murali then instructed my daughter to call me in as he thought that my daughter didn't understand what he was trying to imply.

As my daughter went out, he quickly barged out and called me in. He then explain the same to me just like what he told my daughter. He was very rude in his reply and used a sarcastic tone as I tried to explain that he is not answering my query at all. He kept repeating the career fair over and over again.

I was frustrated as we came to the MPS with the purpose that he will assist to write in to the company (at least). What is the point of making us wait for 2.5 hours and gave us a standard reply which could be done over email. He should have just emailed us that less than 1-minute reply and not get us to come over MPS for nothing. Worst, they made us wait for 2.5 hours. He could have told us he is not able to assist but will try to write in to the company. But no, he did not at all.

This had affected us emotionally as we felt like we were fooled to come for the MPS and get ridiculed by them. It is a shame that my daughter had to witness this of PAP. It was our first time meeting the MPS and it will be our last. We were surprised to be treated in that manner. We did not expect such treatment from the MP.

I am sharing this true incident to you and let me know if you wish to know more of the above-matter.

With this experience, he is definitely not suited to be the MP and represent Bukit Batok.

Yours sincerely,
Salim Bin Said

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A whole forest was cut down before someone yelled “Oops!” The Kranji woods was cleared by mistake, or so we are told.

Never mind that forms had to be filled, signatures sought, contracts awarded, logistics arranged, monies paid – a thousand and one things needed to happen before even a single leaf was molested.

And yet, the word from officialdom is that the forest was “erroneously” razed. If – and it’s a big if – the story is to be believed, this is the kind of cock-up that has become emblematic of this country’s leaders.

Someone was asleep at the wheel, to say the least. And by ‘someone’, we are looking at government departments, ministries and scores of officials and personnel. No one picked up that, even as the trees were being cut and the logs hauled off, that this was not supposed to happen. The sheer breadth of the incompetence beggars belief.

But if you think that this is one of those blue-moon occurrences, think again...

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It is time that Mr Murali addresses the residents regarding the refusal to build a sidewalk along the service road between Blks 190-193.

The Jurong-Clementi Town Council (JRTC)’s GM, Mr Jeffrey Wong, has come up with a list of what he says are “considerations” regarding the construction of the walkway. He cites six factors:

1. safety
2. that the walkway also serves mobility challenged residents
3. existing routes
4. that the walkway is wide enough
5. presence of trees, lamp-posts and uneven terrain
6. cost

One can only hope that the TC is sincere when it says that it “will review and study” the matter.

But one cannot also help but be suspicious that the TC made the above list in order to shoot down the idea. This is because it has repeatedly said no in the past by citing the above as reasons...

CSJ

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This is Mdm Chen Jin Yan. She told me that a vehicle had knocked into her when she was walking on the service road near Blk 190 at BB.

“I was already walking close to the side of the road,” she said. “There were two vehicles passing each other when one of them knocked into me.”

The driver of the vehicle scolded her for walking on the road. But there isn’t anywhere else to walk on, she explained. The road doesn’t have an accompanying sidewalk.

Another resident indicated that he has been observing the situation for years. “It’s just a matter of time before an accident happens,” he said.

Residents in the area have been asking the JRTC to build the sidewalk and many of them signed a petition which was submitted to the TC on Saturday.

In response, the TC’s GM Mr Jeffrey Wong wrote: “In considering the viability of building a walkway, safety of the residents is important to us.”

If that is really the TC’s concern, then there should be no further argument: Build the sidewalk already.

Don’t wait until a tragedy like the fire in Blk 210A strikes before the MP apologises and then decides to do something. By then, it’ll be too late. The fire, which took the life of a resident, could not be quickly put out because the hosereel was locked and, when the lock was broken, there was no water supply.

CSJ

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Officer Fanim (see photo) informed us this afternoon that a permit was needed for the petition collection at the void deck. As a result, we went door-to-door at one at Blk 194A to collect the signatures instead.

We raised the matter in August last year after several residents brought the situation to my attention. They have been asking Mr Murali Pillai and the Jurong-Clementi Town Council to build a sidewalk along the service road from Blks 193-190, Bukit Batok but were refused.

We have been helping some of the residents here to collect signatures for the petition. Of those who were home when we visited, more than 70 percent signed the petition. We did this over a two-week period and visited several blocks in the area.

The petition was submitted at around 4 pm today. Dear residents, let's hope the TC listens to your voice of reason. It was good seeing all of you again. Take care, everyone, and have a good weekend.

CSJ

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We were at BB Blk 299 last night to help residents collect more signatures to submit to the JRTC to build a pavement (from Blk 194 to 187) instead of pedestrians having to walk on the road with passing vehicles.

The response was enthusiastic and overwhelming as many have used the route and agree that it is not safe for residents to walk on the road.

In the meantime, the TC has responded to the residents' petition (even though they haven't received it yet). I'll address the points raised therein at a later time.

But as much as we have done in the last couple of weeks, we have not been able to visit all the blocks. Also, many of you were not home when I came a-calling over the several occasions.

Not to worry. I'll be at the void deck at Blk 192 tomorrow Sat (27 Feb) from 2-4 pm. Drop by and join your fellow residents to support the initiative by signing the petition won't you? We'll submit it to the TC after the session. The deadline is 28 Feb.

Even if you've signed the petition, come by anyway. I'd love to see you again and have coffee with you (will have some on standby). See you tomorrow!

CSJ

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Another resident wrote to inform me of a pipe that drains the upper floor and that runs into the underground drainage is left fixed across the entrance of a coffeeshop at Blk 296A in BB. Although there are warning markings to alert passers-by, the pipe presents a safety hazard nonetheless, not to mention it being an eyesore. It has been left there for quite awhile but should not be a permanent fixture. The authorities need to remedy the situation.

Another problem lies at the rooftop garden in Blk 194A where the flooring is cracked and buckled. With children and the elderly playing and walking in the area, this could be a potential problem. Again, for Jurong-Clementi Town Council's attention.

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Dr Chee Soon Juan

I did a double take when I saw this FB post by the Ministry of Home Affairs (MHA). Initially, I thought it was a prank post done on, not by, the MHA.

It was, if it needs to be said, unbecoming of a govt ministry heaping cheap derision on a matter as solemn as that of the govt decapitating the rights of citizens of this Republic – a right that is enshrined in our Constitution no less.

Article 14b clearly promulgates: "All citizens of Singapore have the right to assemble peaceably and without arms.”

But as predictable as the knee-jerk reflex, PAP apologists will argue that such freedom is not absolute. The problem is that no one ever said it was.

But just because rights are not absolute does not mean that the govt can ban them outright. The PAP has determined that it would not allow citizens (or even a lone one) to assemble for a public cause. This is what former Home Affairs Minister Wong Kan Seng said: “The govt does not authorise demonstrations of any kind.”

It is this blanket proscription of a citizen’s right that is unconstitutional, both in letter and in spirit.

But here’s the real kicker: Wong’s declaration belies the PAP’s position that permits are needed for public gatherings. Why ask people to apply for permits when the govt has no intention to grant one?

Another oft-repeated trope is that political rights are a Western idea, not suited to an Asian society like S’pore. Besides, these folks insist, freedom cannot make us richer.

Rather than rehash the counter-arguments, let me just refer to the recent post I made here.

The next time you despair of the govt’s siphoning off our CPF savings through the HDB scheme or the flooding of our economy with foreign labour or the changing of the rules to allow Halimah Yaacob to become President, think about how politically emaciated we are as a people – without rights, without defence, without a voice.

And how did we come to such a state? Because our CONSTITUTIONALLY MANDATED rights of expression, assembly and association have been systematically stripped away.

But back to the matter at hand. It is one thing for individual politicians to deride their opponents but quite another for a ministry comprising, supposedly, non-partisan civil servants to do it. The incident demonstrates how debased our political system has become.

I hope that this post was made without the blessings of the Minister for Home Affairs. If such is the case, then he should order that the post be removed, apologise to the people, and discipline whoever sanctioned such an ill-advised antic.

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