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14 May 2025 23:11

I know right... without even knowing... i really was shocked when derek from veritasium was positive

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14 May 2025 03:15

On the subject of AI, currently I'm dealing with an incident response.

https://chatgpt.com/share/6823ed10-f158-8002-bc31-fa8f0d1655fc
https://github.com/go-gitea/gitea/issues/34451

The ChatGPT thread deals with the SQL component of those who signed up to my Gitea instance recently, can't be bothered waiting on and/or researching that. I am not a DBA and I won't pretend to be.

The GitHub issue deals with the public impact of this, what operators should look out for, and how they can react (including outside of Gitea's confines and into the shell).

It's fascinating to me how software developers are so hyperfocused on their code, and nothing outside of that. And in terms of incident response, it's interesting to me how even more advanced threat actors are still using somewhat bog-standard utilities provided to them.

My time in, uh, how do I put this... Ethical hacking groups that like Emacs? ... groups, was by no means wasted in the end.

Geeks Chat

11 May 2025 19:38

Bruh I just realized who you are lol. Long time no see

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11 May 2025 19:30

I think it's coming from old age, they grew up with technology in a different timeline to ours. Where everything was public, private networks weren't yet a concern as they are now. Trust basis, individual machines hooking up to the network of networks we call the early Internet. Things were different then, and it's difficult to let go of the past. Like in emails, where the prevailing standard for text-based (i.e. not HTML) is still 80 columns per row. It stays compatible with.. literally the physical TTY interface, serial monitors.

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11 May 2025 19:28

Also I don’t understand the elitist part either for that matter

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11 May 2025 19:26

Why is internal dns a bad thing lol

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11 May 2025 19:22

Oh, definitely. Hah, just the other day I sent an email out to someone (one Andrew Sullivan) who brought the idea of "everyone should register a domain and use that if they want to use private DNS" to a mailing list I'm in. The delegation of .internal as a domain for private use being.. degenerate. It's one of those old prevailing beliefs that I believe to be rooted in that elitist nature.

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11 May 2025 19:17

I think any community likes to gatekeep a bit

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11 May 2025 19:15

People will see it for what it is

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11 May 2025 19:13

That's more or less what I believe it to be like as well, a rough sketch to be further refined. Even if I would be okay with ChatGPT / Copilot / ... having known my entire source code, I would still consider it as only a helping hand, a tool as you mention.

It raises a question though, why do artists so vehemently believe that AI is not a tool like a pencil or a brush? Is it that those using image generation tools don't even bother fixing the hands? Is it that artists, much like us programmers, are too secluded to ever properly interact? Once I've attended an arts course, even the idea of using plastic geometric tools was seen as a "lower aid"... So much for disabilities I guess. It certainly exists.

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11 May 2025 19:06

Well at the end of the day it’s a tool.

Of course it’s not at the point of replacing humans I’m still guiding the process.

I would not be creating anything or I would be doing something.

I honestly get easily overwhelmed and don’t know how to start sometimes.

Using AI an LLM in this case allows me to get things happening. I have thousands of ideas all the time and I never start anything.

I still have always had to tweak things a little because the LLM wasn’t perfect but it’s good enough to get things going.

I don’t think someone who had zero knowledge of the technical things I know would be able to accomplish the same thing.

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11 May 2025 17:38

This is something I've been interested in, Copilot is very prominently visible in Visual Studio. I installed it recently because I needed it to work on this eID project our government publishes the source code for (public money, public code!). I would like to use Copilot's assistance to accelerate my development in languages I do know, and to do some handholding in the languages I don't (e.g. C/C++, which that project is primarily written in). But hallucinations would really be a bit of a dealbreaker. Code needs to be precise, not blurred with hallucinatory tangents.

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11 May 2025 02:06

Hallucinations are less of an issue in agentic code editors too. Cursor and RooCode are both great at iterating when they make mistakes.

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11 May 2025 02:04

I feel this. LLMs have made it more possible (though still not easy) for me to get projects across the finish line before my brain tells me to go off in search of other dopamine sources.

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11 May 2025 01:08

It’s funny you talk about this.

I honestly have found Claude 3.5 to be good enough to assist me in creating shit I wouldn’t otherwise be able to do. It’s not perfect but it gets the answers right enough that I can take it from there.

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14 May 2025 23:05

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SC2eSujzrUY

We are fkd...

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11 May 2025 19:38

Long time no see indeed! 🤗

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11 May 2025 19:31

I don't, I am Michael in that conversation at the IETF. Andrew is a peer I responded to.

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11 May 2025 19:30

It ain't him it's this guy

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11 May 2025 19:26

I don’t understand why he would consider it degenerate

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11 May 2025 19:23

https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/dnsop/jaubVrdnsz0VEeUW8F6QrDcRvGw/
https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/dnsop/lc_OSel2EBLLZTotPAFheFSvyXw/
To browse: https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/dnsop/

Geeks Chat

11 May 2025 19:17

I think so too. It's been like that with IoT as well, and many tech bubbles like the PC, media player, smartphone, ... wars. Or even Internet bubbles like the .com boom. Outside technology, maybe the housing bubble, COVID-19's toilet paper? Fads be fads I guess, technology being prime real estate for it on account of being so foreign and advanced.

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11 May 2025 19:16

When it comes to drawing, I tried getting it into those people's heads... Guys, I would love to create using a pencil (brushes scare me, ink cannot be removed!), but I'm too much of a perfectionist and I have a (now resolved) tremor that prevents me from even drawing a straight line! But that didn't stop the idea from persisting.. that "anyone can draw".

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11 May 2025 19:15

Ya I mean I think the hype will wear off eventually

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11 May 2025 19:09

I feel like using AI is morally neutral.

And it won’t really replace actual art for the sake of art. People will still be painting and drawing art. The amazing thing about art is the creativity and ability of the artist.

Im sure people freaked out when photography came into existence because it removed a whole industry of artists. Did it stop art tho?

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11 May 2025 17:50

This is something I struggle with too, my autism really makes me put my teeth into whatever I focus on, while my ADHD makes me easily lose track of it in favour of something else. With my projects usually being on the longer side, that easily leaves me with a ton of projects that are left unfinished. I suppose AI accelerating that could move some of those projects back into the "enough to be finished" zone, while enabling the creation of others that I wouldn't be able to otherwise.

Granted, the disability argument is a bit of a double-edged sword. When I read arguments from artists' communities, I see that instead being phrased from a mainly physical disability lens. Suppose for example that someone becomes paralyzed torso down, due to an accident involving the spinal cord. Now they can only speak to get their thoughts across, and they could tell AI what they would've otherwise used their hands for.

(This holds personal relevance to me by the way, one of the decisions I had to make when I broke my arm and went in for surgery was the idea of never being able to type/write again. That was pitted against the idea of.. dying abroad, in a potential failed surgery that I had to rescind the legal rights for.)

But if it were to be, say, someone who's paralyzed only partially on their hands. Or just their right arm, like it would've been for me. The idea that artists subscribe to is that people are resilient enough to become, say, left-handed and do everything with that limb instead. Or if you've ever played Katawa Shoujo, even the idea of lower limb disabled people (e.g. Emi) going to run the tracks and upper limb disabled people using their feet to paint (e.g. Rin).

I suppose the point I'm trying to make is that echo chambers allow for different versions of the same argument to proliferate, as it suits a given group's narrative.

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11 May 2025 02:06

Like I’ll send you a dm of something I did this afternoon

A friend and I have been messing around with some stuff so I just built a website to advertise a business lol.

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11 May 2025 02:05

Like they sometimes hallucinate of course but I can whip something up in an afternoon that used to take me days

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11 May 2025 01:10

Like I have a rudimentary understanding and a lot of general knowledge of how stuff works but implementing it can be hard for me. With ADHD (executive dysfunction) the LLM holds my hand just enough to get me over the hump

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10 May 2025 21:49

I suppose some things never change.. Copilot 😒