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LobsterDAO 🦞

Does anyone have a link to a tweet (preferrably related to ETH) with this Narcos scene? https://youtu.be/bd-lTe3mjTs?si=oeiLySGvvOaudm3f

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LobsterDAO 🦞

hello guys, so cool I joined the chat, so I feel like my question would be answered here - do you guys happen to have some resources (blogposts, twitter threads, etc) on AI agents building for crypto/memecoin trading?

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LobsterDAO 🦞

Oh sick! I've seen some novel features introduced by Deri, but I think that was built for EVM. Just gave Parsa a follow 🫡️️️️️️

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LobsterDAO 🦞

Lol that's too advance for me but thanks anyway

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LobsterDAO 🦞

Yep, liquidity sucks

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LobsterDAO 🦞

@Llunk has written a great article on this and states:

Low liquidity and fragmented pools make it difficult to execute large trades. Additionally, there are not enough traders to offer economic incentives to LPs and attract liquidity to the market. This creates a chicken-egg problem where the lack of liquidity is worsened by its fragmentation, as these fragmented pools cannot handle large orders.

https://threesigma.xyz/blog/defi-options-landscape-guide#order-books-key-takeaways-33bacfefc090

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LobsterDAO 🦞

haha well, i’m actually asking these questions because our team is in the process of launching smthg related to this paper (but with some other novelties)

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LobsterDAO 🦞

Not now, but if anybody can compete with deribit it is only them

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LobsterDAO 🦞

do I read correctly that aevo options typically have 5% bid-ask spread? better have a strong edge if so

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LobsterDAO 🦞

just look at the CEX market share distribution for spot, perps and options and you will get the point

there are 10s of Spot big places, 10s of futures CEXes, and only 1 liquid options trading venue. Any on-chain analogue couldn't provide the same trading experience, enough liqudity and acquire traders in that niche to even be in parity. that might change on HL

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LobsterDAO 🦞

well I guess web3 users wouldn’t use offchain stuff so much anyway

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LobsterDAO 🦞

Is there anywhere that crypto options are really thriving? Is it about DeFi, or about the users/traders in web3?

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LobsterDAO 🦞

And remember, you can’t borrow up to the exact limit because there might be price fluctuations. Therefore, you should always borrow slightly less than the available limit.

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LobsterDAO 🦞

why you say that’s a limit?

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LobsterDAO 🦞

You cannot do it infinity times
But 3-5 x is okay
Also rewards is in blockchain tokens (insensitivises)
So some time protocol have rules that you cannot borrow and supple stablecoins in 1 account to abuse the system (for example it is rule in nostra - starknet lending)

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LobsterDAO 🦞

check out cookie(dot)fun as a starting point and use the ticker names to find out what each project is doing.

Also, this could be a good starting point for your research too https://x.com/0xcygaar/status/1864182285278355881?s=46&t=gmyDNpQWAxZ37d5j3hZURw

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LobsterDAO 🦞

if you are like me and didn't understand wtf @ivangbi and @minhhieung @pstr1 were talking about and scratched your head, I spent 2-3 hrs putting together some research notes for myself to understand re: pudgy. I haven't followed them much and I never owned any of these NFTs and I didn't know about abstract l2 until today but with pengu token discussions, hope this background notes helps. Notes as just timelines. Did my best to timeline accurately..Treasury info is not accurate. I couldn't find more info on discord or any public sources on how much funds prev team returned when they sold the company. point me if you find any.

as for Ivan's q: I think Ivan is right about multi-value / income streams but I think, the new team coming from a web 2 background found ways to generate revenue across web 2 / web 3 streams successfully. Didn't delve much into PENGU tokenomics or utility.

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LobsterDAO 🦞

When did anyone give a shit about zkTLS?

I mean I wish they did as I’m pitching it all day long.

Also what even is the alternative? There’s some alternatives to what came out of EF PSE team but ultimately they’re all going to have big issues competing with the upcoming Quicksilver implementation

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LobsterDAO 🦞

What's the link? Is it safe

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LobsterDAO 🦞

had a swap fail 3 days ago on simpleswap (due to an "increased number of requests") but still no refund as promised. anyone else having trouble?

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LobsterDAO 🦞

The trend is for on-chain. The biggest challenge is liquidity, that's true.

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LobsterDAO 🦞

I think a big part of it is liquidity fragmentation across expiries and how to make those markets. I was re-reading this solution from Paradigm recently, forgot that SBF co-authored it 😂️️️️️️
https://www.paradigm.xyz/2021/05/everlasting-options

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LobsterDAO 🦞

HL is going into options?

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LobsterDAO 🦞

Nothing compared with deribit, but I played in aevo with small size and ok

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but wonder if existing onchain solutions are satisfactory (the other part of the question being demand by web3 users assuming there was a satisfactory onchain solution)

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LobsterDAO 🦞

that’s also part of the question:)

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LobsterDAO 🦞

Any opinion on why onchain options haven’t really taken off? Bad spreads and liquidity? Or other reasons?

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LobsterDAO 🦞

Let’s imagine you deposit 100 USDT, and the LTV (Loan-to-Value ratio, the percentage of collateral you can borrow as a loan) is 75%.

This means that for 100 USDT, you can borrow 75 USDC as a loan.

Then, you exchange USDC for USDT on an exchange and deposit it again.

Now you have 175 USDT in your deposit, and you can take an additional loan of $56 USDC (since you already borrowed 75 USDC in the previous cycle).

Repeat these steps 2-3 more times, and you’ll eventually hit the limit.

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LobsterDAO 🦞

yes, that’s why in this example I do supply FRAX and borrow other ones

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LobsterDAO 🦞

ok. I see a lot of protocols now offering a bigger APY for supplying than for borrowing.

Say, “app.burrow.finance”.

What limits me from cycling supply-borrow-supply-borrow .. (in stables) infinite times to get the maximum profit (APY)?

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