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People would trust a centralized sequencer from Circle more than any other company. So a generalized L2 becomes a constant revenue stream for them.

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Why should users to choose to build on Circle's chain?

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You can grow most of it 2-3 years time, most probably less if you don't have to manage the complexity of turing complete smart contracts existing on the network. Honestly if I you can just take Solana's runtime, strip it down to the most basic data accounts and benefit from existing ecosystem.

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A permissionless API for your stablecoin settlement chain. Think of it like that. Don't think of it like a generalized ecosystem play. A turing complete chain is just a permissionless API for the main killer app on it.

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People who know their shit

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developer documentation

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What's would be the main point of complexity, let's say if its just Bitcoin but now one address might hold more than one type of Bitcoin?

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I am not saying you have to be TRON. Just saying exchanges already support different models, so for a big player like Circle, setting up distribution wouldn't be an issue.

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Most exchanges have already integrated Tron and they have a native token format iirc. Are these apps supposed to be onchain or offchain? Like my assumption is these chains are supposed to act like how existing tradfi infra like SWIFT or UPI or Pix works but on a global scale, not as a global programming VM. A Turing Complete execution environment will always have throughput issues. So if your aim is to maximize the settlement speed, maybe having an EVM compatible one isn't the best scenario. For a smaller player it makes sense, for someone like Circle, I don't think establishing distribution channels would be that big of an obstacle.

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Mikko gets everything and reads my mind. Like some kind of AI superbrain. This is basically the exact answer. And also will add that because you want people to build on your chain too, a contract platform is basically a permissionless API rather than a closed, narrow functionality feature.

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Does anybody know if Metamask Institution still exist? Couldn't find anything about them online since last year

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well can't you achieve the same thing on existing slower L1s by using pre-confirmations? collocate with a transaction proposer for the getting the fastest possible access to a pre-confirmation

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people who need faster txns will colocated with validators/sequencers

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Even 20 year old MMOs are still reliably playable across the Atlantic ocean with less than 100ms. 200ms already feels laggy and unpleasant. Not to mention how unplayable anything requiring fast reactions like FPS become at >100ms.

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EU<>US light speed delay is 60ms, far from 200ms

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I guess Base already answered that question

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No I get it. But what I don't get then is what's the difference of just using USDC on other EVM chains compared to their own?

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It's not 'generalized' it's specialized but with a full permissionless API.

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this and documentation so so important

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libraries for Python, JavaScript, NET, Go

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Basic things like RPC API

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I have been working in an exchange, integrating chains, and I think you are wrong here.

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I will bet you 5 shitcoins you can’t deploy a custom contract, of any meaning, on TRON in under 30min. It’s basically a joke chain

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this is why we have so many incentives in crypto. Someone has to the spread and inevitably it’s the VCs

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You want all the exchanges and apps in the world to use your chain. For each of those apps, there is a cost to integrate. The cost to integrate to non-EVM chains is an order of magnitudes higher, 10x - 100x. You would need to pay a lot of more for distribution channels. A lot.

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actually what is the current state of pre-confirmation stuff?

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however not sure how you could make the network benefit from those fees

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this is why low blocktime chains work for financial usecases

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many gaming servers etc target lower latency than 200ms, 500 is way too high for many applications

we target lower latencies for our internal APIs and we're not even a game

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GMX utilizes a keeper network so that all transactions (trades, mint LP, redeem LP) can be verifiably priced using chainlink datastreams and front running isn't possible.

So while it's near instant it isn't atomic. You submit and you have a return transaction with your LP or your original funds.

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