[myth](https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/prl9mu/the_myth_that_rapists_dont_get_convicteddont_get/) that the court system is lenient towards rapists.
Yes violence could happen to women, but it happens more to men, and most crimes against women aren't about "power and control over women". [Rapists usually are about sexual gratification](https://scholarlycommons.law.northwestern.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?referer=&httpsredir=1&article=7389&context=jclc), [and most don't consider themselves rapists](https://www.researchgate.net/publication/248167498_Twelve_reasons_why_rape_is_not_sexually_motivated_A_skeptical_examination). Domestic abusers are often just generally violent, and many often criminal records. As a result, we need to stop viewing this as "gendered violence" when it's just violence. Men are forced to penetrate a woman each year just as often as a woman is raped by a man, and intimate partner violence is a gender-symmetrical crime.
**Restricting women's sexuality**
Feminists tend to think that women are still expected to wait until marriage to have sex or that they are judged for having sex or even enjoying it, and that everyone unanimously agrees that promiscuous men are studs and promiscuous women are sluts. They even think this is why there's an orgasm gap, and that men deliberately refuse to make women orgasm. This [threads](https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/yknuw7/the_myth_that_society_restricted_womens_sexuality/) of mine debunks all of this, and show there's no stigma anymore against women having premarital sex. People don't expect anyone to wait until marriage anymore, and men usually prefer women with sexual experience over virgin women, and the [main reason why men are unable to make a woman orgasm is because he thinks sex is about technique](https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/13bfzvn/no_feminists_men_arent_forcing_women_to_be/), not "patriarchy". Besides, most of them don't know they're unable to.
**Hatred of women**
[Contrary to popular belief](https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/14amrtm/most_sexism_towards_women_is_benevolent_sexism/), most sexism toward women is benevolent sexism, not hostile sexism, and hostile sexism in all countries are very frowned upon whereas benevolent sexism is accepted. People often were found to be very positive towards women and often had more hostile attitudes towards men. This was called the women are wonderful effect. In fact, even in countries like Saudi Arabia where women aren't allowed to walk out at night unless accompanied by a man or drive (up until a few years ago) or have dangerous jobs, it was due to worrying about women being harmed in their job or being harassed or preyed on by men. Feminists view this as "victim blaming" and misogyny, but when people "victim blame" rape victims, they usually view it as advising people to be cautious so they won't be victims of crime, which is the same advice they give about preventing being hit by a driver or being burglarized or having your belongings stolen. In fact, society's attitudes about rape victims or domestic violence victims that feminists complain apply much more to male victims.
Although women are expected not to have certain jobs or have certain gendered characteristics, it is usually due to social norms rather than hatred of women.
**Wage gap**
The wage gap was actually found to be a myth and a result of women's individual choices they want to make, and as long as it's simply due to that and not discrimination or unequal opportunity, an unequal outcome like this isn't a big deal. In fact, the wage gap, even in the most "egalitarian" countries, was found to be due to women becoming mothers. [Otherwise, the gap didn't exist](https://www.aeaweb.org/articles?id=10.1257/app.20180010).
**Expectation that women only marry and have kids**
Going to college and having a career is very normalized these days. People don't care if you are 29 and unmarried or childless. It's super common now. Maybe if you're over 35, but not in your 20s/early 30s. [Hell, getting married by age
I think feminists complain about problems women deal with that don't exist or are exaggerated. Here's the real issues that women actually face, and feminists reinforce them:
It's in the media, the news, everywhere. Feminists believe women are all damsels in distress who will inevitably be raped, murdered or victims of vicious abuse, and all of them are subjected to homicidal hatred from society. First, I'm gonna list all the issues feminists say affect women in our society and why these issues aren't women's issues, then I'll list some REAL issues women face:
Violence against women
I made a thread here about how the prevalence of violence against women and girls is highly exaggerated. It's not 1 in 5 women who will be raped, and the percent is far lower. Severe intimate partner violence against women affects a very low percentage of women, and most intimate partner violence is just temporary, sometimes one-time incident, mutual hitting and punching between unmarried young adults in a relationship with mild to no injuries. It's a myth that 1 in 4 women deal with trauma from child sexual abuse. It's a myth that hundreds of thousands of women and girls are trafficked into sexual slavery each year. Most catcalls involve mild catcalls, and women typically viewed it as uncomfortable mostly if it's an older man, at night or she's alone and less uncomfortable if it's a young man, at daytime or when she's walking with people, typically flirting statements and whatnot whereas groping or temporary following is relatively uncommon, and most catcallers don't know what they're doing is harassment and see it as a way of flirting or something humorous or harmless, and need to learn appropriate behavior instead of being viewed as potential rapists.
Additionally, a significant minority of criminals are women, and the reason why the vast majority appear to be men is because female criminals are severely underreported, severely underarrested when reported, and are treated more leniently under the criminal justice system. Not only that, but most crime victims are men, including most murder victims, most robbery victims, most motor vehicle theft victims, most aggravated assault victims, etc., and just as many men are made to penetrate each year as women are raped, and men are just as likely to be victims of intimate partner violence, and most child molesting victims are actually boys.
Moreover, women don't fear being victims of crime as often as feminists claim, at least not regularly, and men are actually more likely to fear being victims of crime. Women are just more willing to admit it, and not only are most street/stranger crime victims are men, but many male criminals even refuse to harm women. In fact, men who commit violence against women often have been violent towards men, including wife killers, domestic abusers and rapists. It's also a
Men dont get male only safe-spaces because women get offended by it
This is quite old news but it should be brought up.
Feminists and some types of women have protested and disturbed mens rights conference, mens rights spaces, and places for men.
Heres an example: https://www.foxnews.com/video/3653398640001
Feminism doesnt care if their own members are radical about their movement, and start hating on men, and they actually encourage this sort of hatred.
https://redd.it/172oozw
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There were non stop headlines across all newspapers over the stabbing of ONE girl killed recently. In the same week of non stop wall to wall news coverage, at LEAST four boys of the same age got stabbed, and died. Not ONE got anything like the same news coverage or reaction from politicians.
https://redd.it/172ggcv
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US “Justice” System Has it in for Men
https://youtu.be/fmWLqT4V8t8?si=VRIAeCF5GSgmnPHT
https://redd.it/172k1zo
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Dear men why don't you go fuck yourelves. Yours truly, The Ladies
https://www.yesmagazine.org/health-happiness/2023/09/11/men-loneliness-epidemic-women
https://redd.it/172hl3t
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Wtf is this sub
This sub is a great opportunity to talk about men’s rights and move forward for total equality between genders. However, it’s just devolved into dragging women at every possible opportunity. What is wrong with all of you, you get an option to actually have progressive conversations and you resort to posting inflammatory news headlines for the bros to hate upvote.
Mods should do better and members should do better. And yes I’m a man before anyone tries to drag me.
https://redd.it/172enrw
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Sometimes, women lie. (Trevor Bauer)
https://youtu.be/X14moxMq0Vo?si=vBAXX1whWxZ6joF1
https://redd.it/1728sfo
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Columbia University student, who was expelled for sexual assault by kangaroo court, sues for discrimination and wins settlement.
Columbia Journalism School student Ben Feibleman, was found responsible for misconduct for sexually touching a female student deemed too drunk to consent — despite an audio recording that showed her demanding sex and photos taken moments before the alleged assault that showed she was not incapacitated. Feibleman’s journalism diploma was yanked post-graduation. He proceeded to sue the University for 25 million dollars for gender discrimination under Title IX.
https://nypost.com/2019/05/14/expelled-columbia-journalism-student-accused-of-rape-is-victim-of-anti-male-bias-lawsuit/
The long awaited resolution is here. There has been a settlement requiring Columbia to reinstate Feibleman's diploma and provide him a “significant” undisclosed cash award.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/11/us/columbia-sexual-assault.html
How significant? Pretty damn significant according to this tweet.
https://twitter.com/BenFeibleman/status/1348654495903973384
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By what actions or words have you been called a misogynist or women-hater?
For example, I can name a couple instances when I still used to condemn feminism and extremism publicly, where no matter what I said, people would pretend to understand and later ask... so, I didn't know you'd be misogynist, while I was like... “come on, after all that I explained, really?”
What have been these anecdotes for you where people default to and end up assuming you are a misogynist?
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UK: Middle-aged father, 50, wins £7,500 payout after being rejected for £40,000-a-year NHS job as he wouldn't fit in with 'millennial' women who worked there
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9142401/Father-50-wins-7-500-payout-rejected-NHS-job-millennial-women-colleagues.html
https://redd.it/kwipdi
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Women denied the fact of female privilege. Gets told
https://redd.it/kwfqw1
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Women have much MUCH worse standards than men, men are not compared to other people like celebrity's
https://www.reddit.com/gallery/kweqqq
https://redd.it/kweqzm
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Can anyone tell why was the boy prosecuted? He was just 12
https://www.indiatoday.in/fyi/story/12-year-old-becomes-father-kerala-posco-act-youngest-dad-india-967289-2017-03-24
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Working with words
Feminists know the importance of language. That's why they invent words and try to replace words.
Language is our means of communication. It's also often in our thoughts.
Control of language is very important to anyone who wants power. But language can't be controlled, yet.
Computers use languages as instructions. Any meaningful sequence of signals is a language.
Languages can act on languages to change themselves.
Replace "male privilege" with "male achievement". This is an interesting experiment in language.
I'm reading through Everyday Feminism's 160+ examples of Male Privilege and substituting "achievement" for "privilege".
This is one way to challenge ideas and explore language.
https://redd.it/kwbc8l
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I think feminists complain about problems women deal with that don't exist or are exaggerated. Here's the real issues that women actually face, and feminists reinforce them:
It's in the media, the news, everywhere. Feminists believe women are all damsels in distress who will inevitably be raped, murdered or victims of vicious abuse, and all of them are subjected to homicidal hatred from society. First, I'm gonna list all the issues feminists say affect women in our society and why these issues aren't women's issues, then I'll list some REAL issues women face:
**Violence against women**
I made a [thread](https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/116v0z8/the_prevalence_of_violence_against_women_and/) here about how the prevalence of violence against women and girls is highly exaggerated. It's not 1 in 5 women who will be raped, and the percent is far lower. Severe intimate partner violence against women affects a very low percentage of women, and most intimate partner violence is just temporary, sometimes one-time incident, mutual hitting and punching between unmarried young adults in a relationship with mild to no injuries. It's a myth that 1 in 4 women deal with trauma from child sexual abuse. It's a myth that hundreds of thousands of women and girls are trafficked into sexual slavery each year. [Most catcalls involve mild catcalls](https://www.researchgate.net/publication/225564287_Context_Effects_on_Women%27s_Perceptions_of_Stranger_Harassment), and women typically viewed it as uncomfortable mostly if it's an older man, at night or she's alone and less uncomfortable if it's a young man, at daytime or when she's walking with people, typically flirting statements and whatnot whereas groping or temporary following is relatively uncommon, and [most catcallers](https://www.psypost.org/2021/09/men-who-catcall-claim-its-a-normal-way-of-flirting-while-at-the-same-time-demonstrating-greater-hostile-sexism-61805) don't know what they're doing is harassment and see it as a way of flirting or something humorous or harmless, and need to learn appropriate behavior instead of being viewed as potential rapists.
[Additionally](https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/xyl5wb/statistics_cited_women_are_more_likely_to_commit/), a significant minority of criminals are women, and the reason why the vast majority appear to be men is because female criminals are severely underreported, severely underarrested when reported, and are treated more leniently under the criminal justice system. Not only that, but most crime victims are men, including most murder victims, most robbery victims, most motor vehicle theft victims, most aggravated assault victims, etc., and just as many men are made to penetrate each year as women are raped, and men are just as likely to be victims of intimate partner violence, and [most child molesting victims are actually boys](https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/x18e7q/boys_are_more_likely_to_be_molested_than_girls/).
[Moreover, women don't fear being victims of crime as often as feminists claim, at least not regularly](https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/zt35ma/women_are_not_in_constant_fear_of_being_raped_and/), and men are actually more likely to fear being victims of crime. [Women are just more willing to admit it, and not only are most street/stranger crime victims are men, but many male criminals even refuse to harm women](https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/zz7yyz/men_are_not_safer_walking_alone_at_night_than/). In fact, men who commit violence against women often have been violent towards men, including [wife killers](https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/10vhw3q/men_who_kill_a_woman_dont_kill_her_because_shes_a/), [domestic abusers](https://www.mankind.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/Testing-Predictions.pdf) [and](https://www.proquest.com/openview/22850ea140e11c82842cb809dfe685a5/1?pq-origsite=gscholar&cbl=18750&diss=y) [rapists](https://www.jstor.org/stable/pdf/3811533.pdf). It's also a
UK: Sir Keir Starmer pledges to 'drain the swamp' of hate and inequality and take on tech companies creating 'toxic attitudes' towards women in speech at Labour conference. OP: The left wing Labour party really do hate men.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12605569/Sir-Keir-Starmer-pledges-drain-swamp-hate-inequality-tech-companies-creating-toxic-attitudes-women-speech-Labour-conference.html
https://redd.it/172cei2
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"Suella Braverman told the Daily Telegraph: “Only men can be rapists and official police information should be reflecting that wherever appropriate – anything else is nonsense.”
British MP, the controversial Suella Braverman, a Tory party cabinet member, publicly claimed women cant rape because UK laws dont recognise female rapists as... well... rapists. Only men can rape, according to UK laws.
Scale of 1 to 10-how fucked up is this?
https://redd.it/172gcud
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Is this sub becoming more infested with feminists?
I really began to wonder this a few days ago when I noticed posts that advocates men not be discriminated against getting more thumbs down than thumbs up.
I’ve seen more posts claiming this sub or MRAs are anti-female. I suspect a large number of these are feminist trolls. I similarly see more posts pushing the false narrative that feminism is about gender equality.
I’m all for hearing a feminist perspective on issues, but it seems to me there’s an increase in feminists not here to give a different perspective but simply trying to undermine men’s rights and falsely paint feminism as the movement of equality.
Is anyone else seeing this?
P.S. I’m not seeing it with most posts, just saying it appears more common.
https://redd.it/172h8m2
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Are there prominent views within feminism that celebrate the failure and discourage support of men based on the following observations?
I posted this in askfeminist and they removed it. What do you guys think?
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Hello, as always I have been reading threads in here and other feminist, and women-centered spaces. I have seen a dominant viewpoint where women say if men fail within x subject with y privilege, then they don't deserve success. For example, there was one regarding the education gap, saying that maybe boys were just more naturally inept than girls, and this was demonstrated by lifting the restrictions on girls that prevented them from shining. No further intervention is needed because this is how it naturally should be. This was not the only opinion, but it was the first post, which would only be allowed if it agreed with feminism.
The Second was regarding men joining the women-centered conference. There was a side point that they could have been there because they were desperate and needed visas. There were highly upvoted replies that if men can't get jobs despite all the privileges they have without invading the women's conferences, then they don't deserve to stay. For the third one, I don't remember the details so I may be wrong, but there was a thread about women owning more houses than men, and there were top-level comments about disdain for men for owning less than women despite the advantages they have.
I feel when there is a gap within other groups for example the pay gap there is talk of equity vs equality, and that because women get pregnant, they have an unfair disadvantage so it affects their earning capability, and it's about giving people a fair chance given their circumstances. However, when it comes to the education gap, for the group of women who discussed boys may simply be less capable, there was never the idea of equity.
I am not saying feminists hate men. I recognize most gender concerning male centered spaces have way more hate than female centered spaces, which is why I stopped going there. In women centered spaces there isn't necessarily hate but acceptances of disdain towards men from what I observe. Another similar side point is that in twoxchromosomes one of the most attacked groups of women are boy moms.
Based on this I have two questions:
What in your view is a scenario in which the feminist position to a failing of men in a certain aspect to be that men need help because it's a scenario of inequity.
Do you think you would be able to recognize (I) a phoenomena that inherently disadvantages men (II) a law that unfair impact men?
Do you agree that women centered spaces are unhealthy for men with low confidence/self esteem to visit due to how much disdain there is for the failure of men? To rephrase if you had a son/brother with low esteem would you advise them against going to such forums/threads?
https://redd.it/172hdto
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Feminism
Ok here is a question how to deal with a feminist women who arguably spreads hate towards men and say they don't deserve to be on higher degree than them and also indulges you to think the same men are bad no hate towards women just asking
https://redd.it/172fxsg
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AI Girlfriends Worsening Male Loneliness, Warns Professor
https://www.guardianmag.us/2023/10/ai-girlfriends-worsening-male.html
Best part of the article:
> "AI girlfriends are ruining an entire generation of men."
But then:
>"It's not a virtual girlfriend, it's a girlfriend that by definition learns from you, what you like and what you don't like," she said. "The AI girlfriend never has a bad day so these men have these perfect relationships and never have to deal with the ups and the downs of a real relationship."
And that's bad how? Cost/benefit is a bitch. I guess women will have to try a lot harder from now on.
Obviously the real concern here from the female "professor" is that it's going to get a hell of a lot harder for women to procure providers.
https://redd.it/172c6ml
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For future argument's sake- what has mensrights done for women?
Now, I'm not some feminist or whatever coming to roast you, I am a MRA, who tends to get into arguments with feminists every now and then, but they usually bring up the point that mensrights hasn't done anything exclusively for women when I say feminism hasn't done anything exclusively for men.
Now, I've searched "what has mensrights done for women" but all I found was roasting of mensrights, so I ask here instead.
edit: so seems it hasn't done anything exclusively for women (except for the war-time thing) but that's fine, because at least it doesn't pretend to do stuff for women.
https://redd.it/kwp1b9
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Sexual trauma and men
I'm a victim advocate and I'm in a training on male survivors and sexual trauma and my heart just breaks. I'm hearing stories after stories of men abused as children and how men don't disclose the abuse till wait later in their adult life. 1 in 6 men have been abused and assaulted and it's believed that the number is higher and its just not documented. I feel that society tells men "to man up", "don't be weak", "deal with it" and it's not fair. Survivors of sexual abuse have increased challenges with relationships and substance abuse and I feel there's not enough safe space for men to discuss such issues. As a society, we need to encourage men to speak up and to help them heal. I suggest you take a moment and watch survivors stories
If you're a survivor of sexual abuse, just know that you're not alone and it's okay to cry and to seek help. If I could, I would give each survivor a huge hug. Much love ❤
https://redd.it/kwmki9
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First woman executed since 1953
https://redd.it/kwk7h5
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Andrew Yang faces opposition for anti-circumcision stance
https://nypost.com/2021/01/09/andrew-yangs-anti-circumcision-stance-cuts-deep-jewish-leaders/
https://redd.it/kwh7gn
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US carries out first federal execution of a woman in nearly seven decades
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jan/13/us-carries-out-first-federal-execution-of-a-woman-in-nearly-seven-decades
https://redd.it/kwfkaz
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The Gender Gap Index presents itself as if it measured the gender gap which it doesn't. It's clearly a deception. (BTW congratulations Danmark, dropping out of the top ten probably tells that equality is moving forward)
https://www.weforum.org/reports/gender-gap-2020-report-100-years-pay-equality
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UPDATE PP REVOKED*** Lisa Montgomery: US executes only woman on federal death
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-55642177
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Isaac Butterfield’s Latest video on feminism (the title isn’t what it seem until later on)
https://youtu.be/Jwke9PcVL-4
https://redd.it/kwa8ne
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