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dissonance to alleviate her anxiety. To her, serious societal instability is being reframed as mere "market shifts" or "bad luck" or some sort of otherworldly, spiritual force that can be simply solved through talismans. This is only further supported by Sunday Friend, who's preaching the gospel of liberal capitalist economic values is paralleled through the description of a priest (via moniker "Sunday friend" and various options describing people like him as "the priest class that does cocaine to communicate with their god, the market").
Sidenote: It should be noted that Plaisance is a racist as well, maybe not as outwardly racist as the fascists like Measurehead or Racist Lorryman, but she has a clear fetishism for the mysticism of other cultures. I believe this fetishism is also a byproduct of capitalism and cognitive dissonance. In real life, swaths of working-class people can pinpoint that there is a problem with the "establishment," so much so that they elect Trump, a billionaire who claims he'll "drain the swamp". They recognize that they're poor because the "immigrants take our jobs" or that their money all goes to "welfare queens". They are too poor to be treated, so they become addicts, or they become crystal mommies that espouse that "big pharma feeds you medicine to make you more sick so that they can keep profiting off you". There is a sharp influx of conspiracy theorists nowadays because capitalism has fully broken these people, yet their blind belief in it forces them to explain its contradictions with conspiracy, racism, and antisemitism. They don't recognize that it's billionaires robbing them blind, but they know *someone* is robbing them blind. This is why capitalists and fascists go hand in hand.
Anyways, Joyce's musings on the Pale underscore her resignation to it as a form of "accelerationism". In her mind, she has compartmentalized the "Wild Pines/Union Issue" and the "Pale Issue" as two separate problems. Joyce's compartmentalization is particularly interesting because she is rich and intelligent, yet she is suddenly being trapped in the same logic as Plaisance (who comes off as a schmuck). She recognizes there is an abstract looming death that will kill everything eventually, but she finds discussion about this best relegated as academic trivia and writes it off as a "scientific phenomenon". The Pale is a subject of study for academics, not people like her. Like climate change, the Pale is just a strange phenomenon that humans have adapted to in order to do business.
She has no need to care about the Pale nor the future (beyond a trivial sense), because she is not a revolutionary; she wants to preserve the present and the status quo, since preservation of stability is how money is made. Through this characterization, Joyce implicitly believes the world is not worth saving, but rather, the present is detached from the future and exists in a vacuum, and that the present is simply a vehicle to make money.
With this in mind, it could be said that people's conditioned insistence to look away from the problem (capitalism) could be the reason why the Pale continues to grow. People continue to lose faith in the future, subscribe to fatalism and doomerism, and justify capitalism and its symptoms (fascism, racism, misogyny, homophobia, etc.), and it causes the Pale to expand because the Pale is comprised of thoughts and nostalgia unnatural to this world and to humans. The Phasmid explains that it wasn't there until people came and thought things, implying that capitalism and the pursuit of the material have corrupted people and rendered them un-human. Likewise, revolution counteracts the Pale, implying that communism is the natural, inevitable order that will make people human again. This is tied in a neat bow, leading us back to the symbol of the star and the antlers.
Climate change can similarly only be stopped if capitalism and the desire to seek infinite profits are dismantled. We typically hear of climate change described as "inevitable", but the totality of this adjective leads to apathy.
Your favorite HDB quotes?
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1985 list of bands banned from the USSR... not so disco!
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Does this game get easier?
I started playing last night for a few hours before bed, I really liked it! I tried to romance a woman and failed, tried to punch a kid and failed and threw up trying to cut the body down. I got tired and frustrated so gave up and went to bed. Now, I've been thinking about this game all day, is this game like Kingdom Come Deliverance where you're deliberately trash at the start and get better?
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HARDCOREGENDER!
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Akram from dept q. reminds me so much of kim kitsuragi
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So im trying to 100%ing disco elysium
Do anyone have some tips or guides( if there’s a video that would be great)
Im on the 2nd day and im playing with the hardcore difficulty
( my first playthrough was on xbox and im now playing on steam with 0 achievements)
So yeah im lost
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"To return alive, as a threat"
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My color pencils drawing of Harry
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This is him, right?
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Enlighted Leftists Be Like
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Why am I so sad and angry and sober all the time?
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Kim! This is not the time for your microwave impression!
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Why are they saying it’s on sale but it isn’t on sale
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Did Harry teleport [Saviour Faire] to the roof of this Soviet era block of flats in Tartu, Estonia, but left his "Yellow Plastic Bag Frittte!" on an iron peg halfway through his teleportation?
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The Pale is a Manifestation of Fascist, Capitalist Thought
(Read my previous post to get some context on this post.)
It should be said that almost all analysis of DE is being done through an unreliable narrator. It's tough to say how much of what he perceives is accurate to truth (as is all of life), but nevertheless, this analysis is based on the assumption of what he understands is accurate.
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One of the key themes of DE is the belief that communism is natural, inevitable, and human. This is demonstrated in small worldbuilding touches such as the Communards' star and antler insignia
>ENCYLOPEDIA: He wreath of antlers represents a natural crown. It was about building a society that could exist in accord with the natural world -- and at the same time above it."
and in the closing conversation with the Phasmid.
>INSULIDIAN PHASMID: The pale, too, came with you. No one remembers it before you. The cnidarians do not, the radially symmetricals do not. There is an almost unanimous agreement between the birds and the plants that you are going to destroy us all.
The Pale, as we know, is the physical manifestation of thoughts. It is an ever-expanding fog that completely swallows matter around it. It is simultaneously a nothingness, yet possesses sensoral qualities (color, sound, radiation), and serves as a symbol for the probable collapse of society. It is hard not to compare the Pale to anthropogenic climate change, especially as Joyce remarks that Pale expansion seems to be growing, and the Phasmid's statement that the rest of the natural world is terrified of it. As we know, capitalism and the need for ever-increasing profits hasten climate change. There is no sustainable way to continue capitalism; the profits *will* come down because the earth and its resources are not infinite. Capitalism is.
The Pale is similar. Ruby's Pale transmitter even works via spitting out infinite numbers.
I particularly took interest in Stefan's remark that revolution can theoretically stave off Pale expansion. With the clear imagery of climate change in my mind, alongside Stefan's remark and the in-game description of the Pale as "thoughts", it became to me that the Pale is the literal manifestation of capitalist, fascist, reactionary thought. It is presented as a foreign, inhuman, parasitic entity that manifested when humans began to think, reflecting a literal presentation of humanity "willing" something into existence. This is paralleled with the lecture on Inframaterialism-- a somewhat satirical twist on Marxist theory that posits that people can just believe hard enough in communism to bend physics. It should be noted that this is not satire in the world of DE, but rather important worldbuilding. As I said in my previous post, this is a world where thoughts devour matter and therefore, this should also logically be a world where thoughts can create matter. It also should be mentioned that it is not absurd to think that sheer belief in communism in this world can yield more turnips, when in the real world, sheer belief in the market can yield more money for stock market investors and holders.
Thus, if we understand the Pale to be the parasitic physical manifestation of capitalism itself, then the events happening regarding the Pale begin to make more sense. The Pale destroyed the Doomed Commercial Center, the same way capitalism will destroy a world built on capitalism, because it demands infinity when the world is finite. Analysts will never be able to explain or predict its destruction because they can only identify symptoms of capitalism as problems, never the root problem of capitalism itself. Think "reuse, reduce, recycle" as a solution to climate change, when the main problem, according to these analysts, is corporations and industrial pollution. Yet, these analysts will not be able to give you a solution that advocates for dismantling such entities. This is why you have Plaisance relying on superstitious remedies and her cognitive
"Know that we are watching -- when you're tired, when the vision spins out of control. The insects will be looking on. Rooting for you."
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As much as I hate the idea of a mobile port, this branding is funny as fuck
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[Conceptualization]: this rock will outlast the food on those shelves, it will outlast the supermarket, and it will outlast you. It has seen empires rise and fall, it is indifferent to every single thought that runs in your squishy, ephemeral cortex.
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does anyone have access to the google drive link to the 11h version of kim's voice lines?
there was an 11h video of kim's voice lines and it was removed from yt, but there was a google drive link to download but for some reason i didnt download it :(
it was from the 41st precinct i think so it should be legit and not against the wishes of the og voice actor because they were in contact but i dont know
the 8h version does not include all voice lines that is why i am asking for the 11h
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A Disco Portrait I drew for a client this weekend, tried my best to incorporate Dolores Dei energy into it.
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Which actors do you think could really nail Harry on screen?
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Went to Tallinn KuMu, found Disco
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Question about his amnesia
Maybe some very very light spoilers in this?
I’ve just completed the game, Is there a way to find out exactly what lead him to drink so much to lose his memories? I feel like it’s kind of hinted at that he found out something terrible and that’s what made him go on such a bender. But I never found any pathways that lead me to the answer, so is it just a blanket statement of him being unstable and heartbroken?
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Trying to convince the hardy boys to take you seriously
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Why isn’t Inland Empire called Mulholland Drive?
It’s been a while since I’ve seen either movie but from what I remember Inland Empire doesn’t have much thematic relevance to Disco Elysium besides just general surrealism. While Mulholland Drive is a story about a woman with amnesia with plot points about organized crime, Disco Elysium is also a story about a woman with amnesia with plot points about organized crime. Idk I just feel like it would’ve been the better Lynch movie to name a skill after
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Self portrait
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What is specifically "Lovecraftian" about the game?
I'm on my third run. Figured I'd play as a thinker with tons of points in Inland Empire. I digress.
All the reviews said this game had a "lovecraftian" feel. I thought maybe baby Cthulhu would bust from the floor and play the ukulele at some point but nothing like this happens. There are some themes of paranormal and madness, but that's a common trope.
What specifically is Lovecraftian about it?
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An inspirational DE quote for today
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