Daily Crypto Discussion - June 17, 2025 (GMT+0)
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BlackRock takes the lead as Ethereum ETFs total assets reach record $10B
https://crypto.news/blackrock-takes-the-lead-as-ethereum-etfs-total-assets-reach-record-10b/
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Me Pretending to Wash My Hands While Panic Selling in the Stall
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Bank of America Charts Bitcoin Among Most Disruptive 1,000-Year Innovations – Bitcoin News
https://news.bitcoin.com/bank-of-america-charts-bitcoin-among-most-disruptive-1000-year-innovations/
https://redd.it/1ldeptv
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Experiments:
https://preview.redd.it/y61vs3hnbe7f1.png?width=1080&format=png&auto=webp&s=e7f0ab63d11010b1208c57d3a8ecf524f76be426
# Conclusion:
To the long time followers of the Top Ten Experiments, thank you for sticking around so long. For those just getting into crypto, I hope these reports will help prepare you for the highs and lows that await on your crypto adventures. Buckle up, go with the flow, think long term, and truly don’t invest what you can’t afford to lose. Most importantly, take care of your family, yourselves, and try to enjoy the ride.
A reporting note: I’ll focus on 2025 Top Ten Portfolio reports + one other portfolio on a rotating basis this year, so expect two reports per month. May’s extended report is on the 2022 Top Ten Portfolio. For more data, you can check out the latest 2018-2024 Top Ten reports as well.
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$1k into the Top 10 Cryptos on January 1st, 2025 (MAY Update/Month 5/-13%)
[EXPERIMENT - Tracking 2025 Top Ten Cryptocurrencies – Month Five - Down -13%](https://preview.redd.it/b8hnq15uae7f1.png?width=640&format=png&auto=webp&s=1173b98d9aaaeef8d59afb7ac8f4ceb690b8ee67)
***Find the full blog post with all the tables and graphs*** [here](https://toptencryptoindexfund.com/tracking-2025-top-10-cryptocurrencies-month-5)***.***
Welcome to your monthly no-shill data dump: Here's the fifth monthly report for the 2025 Top Ten Experiment featuring **BTC, ETH, XRP, BNB, SOL, DOGE, USDC, ADA, Tron,** and **AVAX.**
**SNAPSHOTS ALWAYS TAKEN ON FIRST OF THE MONTH (data below reflects 1 JUNE Snapshot).**
**tl;dr**
* **What's this all about?** I purchased $100 of each of Top 10 Cryptos in Jan. 2018, haven't sold or traded, reporting monthly for 7.5 years for your reading pleasure. Did the same annually in 2019 - 2025. ***Learn more about the history and rules of the Experiments*** ***(including why in the world I would include stablecoins)*** ***on the blog.***
* **MAY Highlights:** Another mostly green month; **ETH** has its best month of 2025. **BTC** in overall lead with **Tron** in second place, also the only two cryptos in the 2025 Experiment aren't underwater YTD (anyone predict this?).
* DCA'ing once a year into Top Ten Cryptos for the last 8 years has produced better returns than if you'd done the same with the S&P 500 over the same time period (+265% vs S&P500's +63% - see below for details).
# Month Five – Down -13%
https://preview.redd.it/vi919nm1be7f1.png?width=640&format=png&auto=webp&s=411a7d22897f681d981dd8e3057e9d8cba0110e4
The 2025 Top Ten Crypto Index Fund Portfolio is **BTC, ETH, XRP, BNB, SOL, DOGE, USDC, ADA, Tron, AVAX.**
May highlights for the 2025 Top Ten Portfolio:
* Similar to April, lots of green
* **ETH** pops
* Only two cryptos are in positive territory YTD: **BTC** and **Tron** (how many guessed this correctly on January 1st?).
# May Ranking
Here’s a look at the movement in the ranks one month into the 2025 Top Ten Index Fund Experiment:
Five months into 2025, not much movement: only **AVAX** has dropped out of the Top Ten.
# May Winners and Losers
https://preview.redd.it/0b44goq2be7f1.png?width=266&format=png&auto=webp&s=aa633625fb535258a03587d76002eccc467245da
Five months into 2025, not much movement: only **AVAX** has dropped out of the Top Ten.
# May Winners and Losers
***May Winners*** – For the first time in a long time, **ETH** (+36%) has a very good month. **BTC**, **Tron**, and **BNB** were each up about 10% as well.
***May Losers*** – **AVAX** lost ground compared to its peers this month, down -6% in May.
# Overall Update: BTC maintains the lead, portfolio under water, most cryptos in negative territory, AVAX in last
Year to date **BTC** (+12%) maintains the lead with **Tron** (+5%) in second. The rest are either flat or in the red and **AVAX** is the worst performer (-42%) YTD.
After a fairly good start (the portfolio was +7% in January), the 2025 Top Ten Portfolio is down -13%.
The initial $100 invested in first place **BTC** five months ago is worth $112 today.
# Overall return on $1,000 investment since January 1st, 2025:
https://preview.redd.it/w3vcgbm7be7f1.png?width=251&format=png&auto=webp&s=60e1eb2f664269d26b357974b74a5abd1af85683
The 2025 Top Ten Portfolio gained $45 in May, about the same it gained in April. The initial $1000 investment on New Year’s Day 2025 is now worth **$867**, still underwater for 2025, but moving in the right direction.
Here’s a visual summary of year one of the 2025 Top Ten portfolio:
https://preview.redd.it/ukmb7wy9be7f1.png?width=180&format=png&auto=webp&s=2378ad218a938950a521a7bd08e6935eacaca4c0
2025 Top Ten Portfolio vs. Coinbase’s COIN50
The first Top Ten Crypto Experiment was started on 1 January 2018 in an attempt to ***capture the gains of the entire market***. Much has changed over the last 7.5 years, including the introduction of index products designed to capture the entire crypto market (instead of
Microstrategy is currently in +52.79% profit with 592,100 BTC valued at $63.71B
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Ethereum whales are buying most ETH since 2018
https://cointelegraph.com/news/ethereum-whales-buying-the-most-eth-since-2018?utm_source=rss_feed&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=rss_partner_inbound
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Pakistan appoints Michael Saylor as its official advisor on Bitcoin.
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Coinbase’s sponsorship of Trump’s military parade sparks debate over crypto’s anti-establishment roots
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Hello Darkness, My Old Friend...
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TikTok crypto trader freed after kidnappers realized he’s broke
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Steak 'n Shake, a US-based fast food chain, will start accepting Bitcoin as payment at 393 locations across the US on May 16, 2025
https://www.forbes.com/sites/colinharper/2025/05/10/steak-n-shake-to-accept-bitcoin-starting-may-16/
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Big Players Are All-In on Ethereum - When They’ve Stocked Up Enough, Get Ready for the Price to Skyrocket
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Thailand approves five-year crypto tax exemption
https://cointelegraph.com/news/thailand-tax-exemption-crypto-income-five-years
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WhiteRock token may be laundering ZKasino’s stolen $33M, ZachXBT warns
https://crypto.news/whiterock-token-may-be-laundering-zkasinos-stolen-33m-zachxbt-warns/
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BlackRock Strengthens Crypto Strategy: $1.1 Billion in Purchases Over 7 Days
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BTC Tops $108K on JPMorgan Crypto Filing
https://www.coindesk.com/markets/2025/06/16/btc-tops-108k-on-jpmorgan-crypto-filing-xrp-rallies-on-etf-news
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manually buying coins and tokens like I do for my Experiments).
This year’s friendly competition is between The 2025 Top Ten Portfolio and the Coinbase 50 Index **(COIN50)**. **COIN50** tracks the performance of the 50 largest digital assets by market cap, rebalanced quarterly.
On 1 January 2025, **COIN50** was valued at $450.54. Here’s the snapshot, five months later:
https://preview.redd.it/y7q54mecbe7f1.png?width=203&format=png&auto=webp&s=347bd9719d9e696db0aea11855a62cef24ec8686
**May Performances:**
* **The 2025 Top Ten Portfolio**: +5%
* **COIN50**: +12%
The May monthly victory goes to: **COIN50** (its second monthly victory)
**Overall since January 1st, 2025:**
* **The 2025 Top Ten Portfolio**: -13%
* **COIN50**: -10%
Overall lead: **COIN50**
For the more visual, here’s the table I’ll be using to track the friendly Top Ten vs. **COIN50** competition this year:
https://preview.redd.it/6k7lhn0fbe7f1.png?width=640&format=png&auto=webp&s=592bead24c8301d4eee2815df5c702825acbe5c5
Combining the 2018 – 2025 Top Ten Crypto Portfolios
The 2025 Top Ten is one of eight concurrent experimental portfolios. So, where do we stand if we combine eight years of the Top Ten Crypto Index Fund Experiments?
* 2018 Top Ten Experiment: up +50% (total value $1,500)
* 2019 Top Ten Experiment: up +671% (total value $7,705)
* 2020 Top Ten Experiment: up +890% (total value $9,898) (***best performing portfolio***\*)\*
* 2021 Top Ten Experiment: up +315% (total value $4,153)
* 2022 Top Ten Experiment: down -15% (total value $851) (***worst performing portfolio***\*)\*
* 2023 Top Ten Experiment: up +168% (total value $2,676)
* 2024 Top Ten Experiment: up +54% (total value $1,535)
* 2025 Top Ten Experiment: down -13% (total value $867)
Taking the eight portfolios together:
**After a $8,000 total investment in the 2018 – 2025 Top Ten Cryptocurrencies,** the combined portfolios are worth **$29,186.**
https://preview.redd.it/jpk8ssihbe7f1.png?width=320&format=png&auto=webp&s=8a9c3f4b134922f56f6212df2aacd5fcad6cbd3e
**That’s up +265%** on the combined portfolio. The peak for the combined Top Ten Index Fund Experiment Portfolios was **November 2021’s all time high** of **+533%**.
Here’s the combined monthly ROI since I started tracking the metric in January 2020:
https://preview.redd.it/8mk8ua2kbe7f1.png?width=1080&format=png&auto=webp&s=c5c21d4e9337ac43d8224939b8490960486cfa55
In summary: ***That’s a +265% gain by investing $1k on whichever cryptos happened to be in the Top Ten on January 1st (including stablecoins) for eight straight years***.
# Comparison to S&P 500
I’m also tracking the S&P 500 as part of my Experiment to have a comparison point to traditional markets.
The S&P 500 is down -5% so far in 2025, so the initial $1k investment into crypto on New Year’s Day would be worth $953 had it been redirected to the S&P.
Taking the same invest-$1,000-on-January-1st-of-each-year approach with the S&P 500 that I’ve been documenting through the Top Ten Crypto Experiments, the yields are the following:
* $1000 investment in S&P 500 on January 1st, 2018 = $2,212 today
* $1000 investment in S&P 500 on January 1st, 2019 = $2,359 today
* $1000 investment in S&P 500 on January 1st, 2020 = $1,830 today
* $1000 investment in S&P 500 on January 1st, 2021 = $1,574 today
* $1000 investment in S&P 500 on January 1st, 2022 = $1,240 today
* $1000 investment in S&P 500 on January 1st, 2023 = $1,540 today
* $1000 investment in S&P 500 on January 1st, 2024 = $1,239 today
* $1000 investment in S&P 500 on January 1st, 2025 = $1,005 today
Taken together, the results for a similar approach with the S&P:
**After eight $1,000 annual investments on January 1st into an S&P 500 index fund from 2018 to 2025 my portfolio would be worth $13,000.**
That is up **+63%** since January 2018 compared to a **+265%** gain of the combined Top Ten Crypto Experiment Portfolios.
The visual below shows a comparison on ROI between a Top Ten Crypto approach and the S&P as per the rules of the Top Ten
$1k into the Top 10 Cryptos on January 1st, 2025 (MAY Update/Month 5/-13%)
EXPERIMENT - Tracking 2025 Top Ten Cryptocurrencies – Month Five - Down -13%
Find the full blog post with all the tables and graphs here.
Welcome to your monthly no-shill data dump: Here's the fifth monthly report for the 2025 Top Ten Experiment featuring BTC, ETH, XRP, BNB, SOL, DOGE, USDC, ADA, Tron, and AVAX.
SNAPSHOTS ALWAYS TAKEN ON FIRST OF THE MONTH (data below reflects 1 JUNE Snapshot).
tl;dr
What's this all about? I purchased $100 of each of Top 10 Cryptos in Jan. 2018, haven't sold or traded, reporting monthly for 7.5 years for your reading pleasure. Did the same annually in 2019 - 2025. Learn more about the history and rules of the Experiments (including why in the world I would include stablecoins) on the blog.
MAY Highlights: Another mostly green month; ETH has its best month of 2025. BTC in overall lead with Tron in second place, also the only two cryptos in the 2025 Experiment aren't underwater YTD (anyone predict this?).
DCA'ing once a year into Top Ten Cryptos for the last 8 years has produced better returns than if you'd done the same with the S&P 500 over the same time period (+265% vs S&P500's +63% - see below for details).
# Month Five – Down -13%
https://preview.redd.it/vi919nm1be7f1.png?width=640&format=png&auto=webp&s=411a7d22897f681d981dd8e3057e9d8cba0110e4
The 2025 Top Ten Crypto Index Fund Portfolio is BTC, ETH, XRP, BNB, SOL, DOGE, USDC, ADA, Tron, AVAX.
May highlights for the 2025 Top Ten Portfolio:
Similar to April, lots of green
ETH pops
Only two cryptos are in positive territory YTD: BTC and Tron (how many guessed this correctly on January 1st?).
# May Ranking
Here’s a look at the movement in the ranks one month into the 2025 Top Ten Index Fund Experiment:
Five months into 2025, not much movement: only AVAX has dropped out of the Top Ten.
# May Winners and Losers
https://preview.redd.it/0b44goq2be7f1.png?width=266&format=png&auto=webp&s=aa633625fb535258a03587d76002eccc467245da
Five months into 2025, not much movement: only AVAX has dropped out of the Top Ten.
# May Winners and Losers
May Winners – For the first time in a long time, ETH (+36%) has a very good month. BTC, Tron, and BNB were each up about 10% as well.
May Losers – AVAX lost ground compared to its peers this month, down -6% in May.
# Overall Update: BTC maintains the lead, portfolio under water, most cryptos in negative territory, AVAX in last
Year to date BTC (+12%) maintains the lead with Tron (+5%) in second. The rest are either flat or in the red and AVAX is the worst performer (-42%) YTD.
After a fairly good start (the portfolio was +7% in January), the 2025 Top Ten Portfolio is down -13%.
The initial $100 invested in first place BTC five months ago is worth $112 today.
# Overall return on $1,000 investment since January 1st, 2025:
https://preview.redd.it/w3vcgbm7be7f1.png?width=251&format=png&auto=webp&s=60e1eb2f664269d26b357974b74a5abd1af85683
The 2025 Top Ten Portfolio gained $45 in May, about the same it gained in April. The initial $1000 investment on New Year’s Day 2025 is now worth $867, still underwater for 2025, but moving in the right direction.
Here’s a visual summary of year one of the 2025 Top Ten portfolio:
https://preview.redd.it/ukmb7wy9be7f1.png?width=180&format=png&auto=webp&s=2378ad218a938950a521a7bd08e6935eacaca4c0
2025 Top Ten Portfolio vs. Coinbase’s COIN50
The first Top Ten Crypto Experiment was started on 1 January 2018 in an attempt to capture the gains of the entire market. Much has changed over the last 7.5 years, including the introduction of index products designed to capture the entire crypto market (instead of
The world’s largest bank, JPMorgan, has filed a trademark for what appears to be a stablecoin called ‘JPMD’
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Tether blocks $12.3M in USDT tied to suspicious Tron addresses
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Daily Crypto Discussion - June 16, 2025 (GMT+0)
**Welcome to the Daily Crypto Discussion thread. Please read the disclaimer and rules before participating.**
# Disclaimer:
Consider all information posted here with several liberal heaps of salt, and always cross check any information you may read on this thread with known sources. Any trade information posted in this open thread may be highly misleading, and could be an attempt to manipulate new readers by known "pump and dump (PnD) groups" for their own profit. BEWARE of such practices and exercise utmost caution before acting on any trade tip mentioned here.
**Please be careful about what information you share and the actions you take.** Do not share the amounts of your portfolios (why not just share percentage?). Do not share your private keys or wallet seed. Use strong, non-SMS 2FA if possible. Beware of scammers and be smart. Do not invest more than you can afford to lose, and do not fall for pyramid schemes, promises of unrealistic returns (get-rich-quick schemes), and other common scams.
# Rules:
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Strategy Buys 10,100 More Bitcoin, Total Holdings Explode to 592,100 BTC
https://news.bitcoin.com/strategy-buys-10100-more-bitcoin-total-holdings-explode-to-592100-btc/
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Crypto Now Accounts For Most Of Donald Trump’s Net Worth
https://www.forbes.com/sites/danalexander/2025/06/12/crypto-now-accounts-for-most-of-donald-trumps-net-worth/
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Crypto Investor Loses $6.9 Million To Sketchy Cold Wallet
https://cointelegraph.com/news/crypto-investor-loses-6m-douyin-cold-wallet-scam
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Walmart and Amazon Are Exploring Issuing Their Own Stablecoins to Cut Fees and Bypass Banks
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Cryptocurrency Remittances Spike 40% in Latin America
https://news.bitcoin.com/cryptocurrency-remittances-spike-40-in-latin-america/
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Saylor Signals Another Bitcoin Buy—Orange Dots Strike Again – News Bytes Bitcoin News
https://news.bitcoin.com/saylor-signals-another-bitcoin-buy-orange-dots-strike-again/?utm_source=coingecko&utm_content=coingecko&utm_campaign=coingecko&utm_medium=coingecko&utm_term=coingecko
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