Why do some people have vastly different reactions to kratom?
So there are three main types of reaction i noticed when someone tried to take kratom recreationally in my friend group. A big chunk of people just hated the effect, it made them nauseous, then they never touched it again. The second, including me didn't feel anything for the first 2-3 times and then started feeling the good effects from even a smaller amount too. The third group are those who just cannot feel anything from taking kratom.
Why is there such a big difference between how people react to kratom?
We didn't really weight it, so there is a chance that we just eyeballed the amount poorly, that would explain why people had really bad reactions for it the first time, but then why do some people have no reaction, even after trying it a few times? And what's up with those who had to take it on a few occasions before feeling anything? I had roughly the same amount every time. Is there something that makes people really sensitive to kratom? And is there something that builds up from a few doses and then your body becomes sensitive to it? Or is it just a coincidence that happened to me?
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Magnesium for the win!
Whoever reccomended taking magnesium with kratom deserves a medal!
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Weight gain?
Wow I've put some timber on since I've started Kratom, been about a year now and I take a regular laxative to keep me regular,
I thought most people lost weight.
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Johns Hopkins University Online Research Survey About 7-hydroxymitragynine (7OH) Product Use
The Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine is looking for US adults who have used kratom-derived 7-hydroxymitragynine (7OH, 7-hyroxy, 7) products to share their experiences by participating in a research study. This research study involves completing an online survey about 7OH products.
People who may be eligible are: Adults who reside in the US and who have EVER used 7hydroxymitragynine (7OH, 7-hydroxy, 7) products. Although we do not exclude based on level of experience with these products, the study will be more impactful by enrolling people who have used 7OH products more than once or who use on a regular basis.
This online study includes a screening questionnaire that will take approximately 5-10 minutes to complete. This step is necessary to try and ensure that only eligible and attentive human beings (not bots) are able to complete the survey and be compensated. Those who screen eligible will be emailed a unique survey link by the study team after screening is completed.
The survey will take approximately 30-45 minutes to complete. Completion times will vary from person to person. Participants will be compensated at the end of the survey in real-time with a $10 virtual gift card.
During the survey, you will be provided an opportunity to share your thoughts and opinions. We welcome ALL perspectives and consumer experiences about 7OH products.
Please share this opportunity widely!
To learn more and access the screening questionnaire, please click here:
https://jh.qualtrics.com/jfe/form/SV\_eyabG87kMriPrVk
Thank you so much!
The Principal Investigator for this study is Kirsten E. Smith, Ph.D.
Study Protocol: IRB00468909
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Okay, hear me out...
can't find caps anywhere around me, only powder, but hate the taste and texture, tried sooonmany things...
GREEK YOGURT TO THE RESCUE!
I mix it in well, and down the hatch!
no yucky taste or texture!
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Kratom
Will kratom show up in a drug test for employment?
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Switching from hydrocodone to Kratom
Hey guys. So I want to begin with some information about me.
Male 38 5'8 170 lbs
I've been taking hydrocodone for about 6 years. My daily intake would be about 150 mg, with a starting dose for the day at about 80 mg. I've been doing this for a long time and my brain fog is terrible. I have no energy, and I just feel like I am not living life the way I should be. Basically I feel like I have a condom over my whole body and I want to get back to raw dogging life again. but on a serious note, I feel as if I am not truly living my life anymore.
I've been reading a lot about kratom and I'm wondering if it would be a good idea for me to switch. It was either this or Suboxone. And I've heard horror stories about that. I ordered 250 grams of premium red Bali from a place that seems pretty popular on this forum, but I can’t mention the name because I’m just not allowed to I guess, and it occurred to me after the fact that I probably should have reached out to a community like this beforehand. It is set to arrive tomorrow morning, and I am trying to get an idea of how to dose and what to expect.
Half of me is excited while the other half is doubting that I can even do it. I feel like tomorrow I'm gonna tell myself that I should take the hydrocodone for one more day and I can start the crate another day, that I actually have things to do tomorrow and I don't want to be hurting or feeling anxious. I just know there's a huge part of me. That's going to try to talk myself out of it tomorrow.
But please tell me what I should expect to feel like on whatever recommended dosage I should be on. If that was a good strain for me to even start with, if not, what should I order? Just some general advice guys. Thank you for listening and I look forward to having a cup of coffee later and reading your answers and doing some research. tv good night guys. Love ya !
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probably get much better absorption and effects compared to a kratom tea. It also doesn’t isolate specifically mitragynine or its 7 OH counterpart, so all the acetone/alcohol soluble alkaloids will be carried through as well which would in theory put this extract at a lower risk product when compared to pure mitragynine or 7 HO mitragynine; but always be careful with opioid-type substances. The natural 7OH mitragynine is also quite low so it makes up a minority of the total alkaloids extracted so this particular method should result in a lower risk substance in comparison.
Just hoping this guide can help show people how cheap they can get extracts for. Kratom powder is fairly cheap as-is so paying sometimes double what you’d get Kratom for to get an extract seems like quite a markup when you can just do it yourself. You might spend 40-50 bucks for materials, but they will work for many extractions, so it might be a few bucks per extract depending on quantity being extracted. I also have a personal belief that those who get their hands dirty and make their own extracts tend to appreciate the product a bit more, and this extra respect may in some cases encourage more responsible use of Kratom.
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What kind of tests are there for Kratom?
With a lot of things, you can test purity/strength with reagent testing or a whatever kind of tests so I’m wondering if there’s one for Kratom.
Can you test pure Kratom powder, very curious what such a test comes up as, particularly because of the opioid nature of Kratom
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What are y'all taking as a substitute for kratom? Especially as far as energy and focus
I was taking kratom 4x a day. Every day. Doing that isn't really feasible for me. After a day or two of taking it, my body builds tolerance for that amount, and it really doesn't hit well. Then I have to up how much I take by a little bit. Then it happens again. So I'm tapering down rn and after I'm done with that will schedule out dosage - I'm thinking some green in the morning, once, then maybe some red at night as needed.
That means I need something to get me through the day. Kratom helps me with ADHD, depression, anxiety. Makes me a generally more productive and mentally healthy person.
I started taking b12 and D3 supplements a week ago. I ordered some kanna so I'll see how that works out for me. I might try kava in the future. I haven't yet because too many reports of high cost, reverse tolerance, unbearable taste, makes me shy away from it.
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Ultimate Kratom 150mg
I have an Ultimate Kratom 150mg bottle would this have any effects or pretty useless? Never used Kratom before but have a decent opioid tolerance, says it has 75mg of mitragynine. If it is worth taking, what's the best way to wash it down? Tasted a bit and it seems nasty as fuck lol.
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Sip or chug tea?
I've been drinking kratom tea for years now and I always chugged it. If I needed more I would redose in 2 hours. When I chug it, I peak after an hour, then come down real quick due to fast absorption. Has anyone tried sipping it over a few hours? I love powder because it lasts hours but my stomach can't handle it.
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Ran out
Ordered too late cuz I was waiting for a coupon, and now I ran out!!
My order won’t arrive until tomorrow between 1-5. Scraped my container and drank sludge. I feel so gross.
I guess this is a way to lower my tolerance. Ugh.
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Do all red kratom strains help you sleep?
I'm out of my usual bag for the kratom I use to fall asleep. But I've never tried tried to use the red kratom I use during the day for sleep.
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Long Term Kratom Effects
Has anyone ever found a study or been a lab rat for long term Kratom usage and its effects on health?
I can only speak anecdotally, having used Kratom off and on since I was 22 (now 37). Following periods of heavy usage I've experienced some typical withdrawal symptoms like anhedonia, mood swings, anxiety, panic attacks, and sometimes restless leg and some body aches.
I have found that I can incorporate Kratom into my life 2-4 times per month if I'm really practicing self-control, but other times it's difficult and I find myself falling into some old habits. Sometimes I have gone months to years in between.
I know my tolerance is very high now, where I need extracts to feel anything strong, even after I wait weeks in between dosages, and my tolerance builds up quicker. My hypothesis is that it desensitizes opiate receptors permanently, perhaps.
My liver enzymes are normal, and I don't have any glaring issues due to long term Kratom usage that I could tie into Kratom directly. However given the fact that I've also consumed other substances and worked in environments with toxins, and that I'm aging, it's hard to tell just exactly the impact Kratom has had on my long-term health. I do have some health issues, but I don't know if it can be directly tied to Kratom or not.
Surely 15 years of usage has had some impact? Anyone else can speak on this? Nobody I know has heard of Kratom before the last 5 years or so and many still haven't. I feel like I'm an OG, back when you had to source it online lol.
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Will I get withdrawals from switching strains
I ran out of my red and green maeng da so I ordered some red Bali and green Borneo I was taking a lot each day like 20-30g (please don’t castrate me) I’m just wondering if I’ll get any withdrawal symptoms. I ordered new strains just so see if single strain syndrome was an actual thing or if it’s just placebo and I wanted to try something different
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Kilo of kratom a month
I've taken a kilo of green vein maeng da powder a month for 8yrs. My last does was 24hrs ago. When does the hell set in?
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Do some people think that even good quality kratom is bad to consume? Or is it just because it might be poor quality kratom?
How many people have been taking kratom for years and have had zero health issues?
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Kratom is king!
Hola! Just wanted to share my experience. I'm 54 and I started taking Kratom about 6 months ago.
I take 1 square of chocolate 25mg mitragynine isolate with(caffeine & ginseng) and 1 gummy 30mg mitragynine isolate... I take around 9am.
Let me tell you... this has been a game changer! I have all day focus, energy and mood without the sugar crash you would get from energy drinks. It wears off around 4:30-5pm.
I'm considering taking it before working out and I'm tempted to take it before I do competitions(Hyrox). I think it might help?
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CTing from 3-6gpd
Typically one dose, every morning. On very rare occasions two doses, ~10gpd but maybe once every few weeks so I disregard that. Been through CT wds before but not in awhile so looking for what to expect and perhaps any remedies. It’s worth mentioning I am on a benzo, medicinally, and anecdotally I find they help with eachothers withdrawal. Mild withdrawal, at least. No experience with CT in this area though.
Tapering not an option unfortunately. Ive maybe got a consecutive few days of a slightly lower dose under my belt at best. TIA
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Tennessee House joint resolution signals support for ‘the strictest state regulation of kratom’
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TN Kratom ban
So my state looks to be going after Kratom again 🤦♂️. I am born and raised here in TN. I have chronic neuropathic pain that Kratom has allowed me to live a normal life with when nothing else worked. I can raise my family, have built a thriving business for the last 7 years etc. I will crawl over broken glass to get this plant as it’s the only thing that has allowed me to live a normal life. I have ordered from a trusted local vendor for years but if this ban goes through how would I obtain Kratom? Just ship to a sistering state where it’s legal? Any other ideas? I cannot live a normal life without it so I will have to still get it one way or another. Anyone please DM me any tips or ideas on what to do or how to fight this! Thank you so much 🙏
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Simple alkaloid extraction from kratom
This method seems to consistently work well and is relatively low cost. You may be able to substitute ethanol but due to the poor solubility in water, you need to possibly redistill and will need to use a drying agent.
Locally my highest ethanol content can be 75.5%, an additional distillation of this ethanol might be able to get to the 80-95% mark and can be measured with an alcohol hydrometer. However even regular 75.5% can be made anhydrous with a drying agent, you’d just need a little more.
For my drying agent, I used dehydrated magnesium sulfate(unscented epsom salts). To keep this mostly short I’ll just say there’s plenty of guides to learn how to dehydrate and make a drying agent from epsom salt. The basic outline is to put it in the oven at a particular temp, after about an hour, carefully break/stir up the half-dehydrated epsom salts and increase the temp a little. After 2-3 hours the Epsom salt should now contain no water and can be cooled and stored in an airtight container. The newly dehydrated Epsom salt is now ready to be used as a drying agent.
Taking either your 75.5%+ ethanol, add it to a jar with some of your drying agent, you shouldn’t need much, maybe about 1/4-1/3 of a 1oz ball or mason brand jar. Let it sit overnight or at least for 12 hours(the longer the better so it can remove all the water)
After 12-24 hours, you should have a pretty anhydrous ethanol and magnesium sulfate mix. Simply use a coffee filter and filter the ethanol into a collection container/jar, and limit exposure to the air to prevent excess water to be added to the ethanol from the air.
While ethanol works and is food safe, I decided to use acetone as an organic solvent, it evaporates leaving no residue and won’t end up in the final product. However for the following steps, you can use either the anhydrous ethanol OR acetone depending on what you feel comfortable with. Whatever you use as a solvent should be verified via search engine to ensure the active compounds are soluble in it. The active mitragynine and 7-HO mitragynine are nearly insoluble in water, but can be poorly dissolved in acidic water(which is why lemon juice added to tea can work fairly well).
Take your kratom powder and add it to a jar to reduce solvent loss during the extraction. Add enough solvent to just cover the kratom powder. Stir/shake the jar and let it sit for a couple hours minimum to be sure all the alkaloids are extracted into the solvent.
After a few hours filter the acetone/kratom mud through a mesh strainer(won’t remove all powder but can speed the second filtration pretty significantly). Once filtered via mesh, setup and other filter with a coffee filter. Collect the final filtered liquid which shouldn’t contain many if any granules of powder.
Use a Pyrex dish in a well ventilated area and a fan to speed up evaporation, pour the filtered liquid into the dish and allow the solvent to evaporate completely. This will leave behind a green powder of crude extract.
To clean up the crude extract, I’ll make/use anhydrous isopropyl alcohol(from 91%) or anhydrous ethanol. Redissolve the crude extract powder in the anhydrous alcohol, filter to remove any solids that aren’t soluble in it. Collect the filtered liquid, clean the evaporation dish and thoroughly dry. Once everything has filtered and the dish is clean, do another evaporation.
Every time you redissolve in an anhydrous alcohol and evaporate, you will remove more and more impurities and cleans the final product up.
To be sure to get a decent quality product, it might be best to do about 3 cleanings with the alcohol after the initial acetone extraction.
Each cleaning will have a small amount of lost product, but the final product is much more concentrated.
The final product can then be dosed with a milligram scale, the dose range is likely between 12.5-60mg given the common range for mitragynine, but you’ll want to start low and titrate your ideal dose. When you’ve chosen an measured your dose, you can simply add it to a capsule and you’ll
Texas law
I'm nineteen, (in Texas the age is 18+) I've been using since I was underage though (huge mistake, Ive started regretting as of late), never actually purchased any though.
Decided to walk to a gas station to get some last week, (I usually have my dad buy me a bag every 4 months and use it within two weeks) and bro said I had to be 21, I told him no, it's 18 & showed his HSB 444, and he still didn't believe me, walked to two different gas all different companies and same fuckin thing. Wtf I feel as if I have to have it every 4 months and my dad stopped buying for me.
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Contact Tennessee Officials- Help Stop "even an outright ban on the sale of kratom in Tennessee,” Rep. Esther Helton-Haynes (R-East Ridge)
Tennessee officials are coming after kratom and trying to restrict or even ban it. We encourage all Tennessee residents to contact their elected officials and share their testimonial on why safe kratom should be available and to support the Kratom Consumer Protection Act as it already exists in Tennessee. Go to the Tennessee protect kratom page and use the form there.
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Recently Rep. Helton-Haynes recommended "the strictest state regulation of kratom or even an outright ban on the sale of kratom in Tennessee."
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Are there any other coders here, that always read Readme.md as Readme. Maeng Da in their head
It's been happening for years now with me lol
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Can you gain “tolerance” to potentiating kratom?
I drink a tea with lemon juice, turmeric, black pepper, and honey with my kratom.
If I do this for long, will it stop strengthening the effect?
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Drank half a 15ml Mitragyna Speciosa extract shot first time.
I assume this was too much. It was a 500mg bottle, before i threw up 8 times, i felt some strong relaxing effects. Was this too much? I couldn’t find anything on how much to take and it was my first time.
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Weird experience on kratom
I've been taking kratom on and off recreationally and medicinally for a few years now. Last Monday I had an absolutely traumatizing reaction with what we believe to be the kratom. I took probably 3 doses Monday. One 2g dose at around 10am probably a 1.5gram dose at noon and then another 1gram dose maybe 1.5 at around 330. Then at around 730pm I had the worst panic attack/mental confusion I've ever had. What set it off was me not being able to think or do basic math, I didn't know what was happening and I didn't really know who I was where I was or what was happening. It was paired with an extreme headache and the feeling of impending doom(I thought I was dying). Has anyone ever experienced this before? It was something like no other. It felt like a terrible psychedelic trip. I did eat an edible and I drank a beer. Edible was at 415 and the beer was at around 445. But I par take in cannabis products much more often than kratom and I can't see a single Guinness having that effect on me. Has this happened to anyone else. I called an ambulance because it was that bad. I thought I had brain cancer or an aneurysm. Fortunately they said it was probably just stress and burn out but not brain cancer or an aneurysm. But then when I told them I had also taken kratom they left did some research and told me later that my symptoms fit with the negative effects of kratom.
I'm curious if anyone else has had something like this happen to them or a family member because it was awful. Fortunately I used to abuse psychedelics so losing my mind isn't that terrifying but still. I didn't know this could happen. I hope this hasn't happened to anyone else but if it has I'd love to hear about your situation and if you were ever able to use kratom again or if you completely swore it off. Thanks for the advice!
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Quit kratom after 2.5 years
I was taking kratom for 2 years and a few months. Found it on a dark place in my life and I could say it saved me from hopping back on SSRis which messed up my brain (PSSD). I was always at low doses,2-4g apart from the very first days when It felt like the ultimate relief and I took up to 6g. Luckily my body punished me by throwing up,so I realized it's not something to mess with. I continued using it for anxiety 3-5 times a week usually but lately I had lots of work anxiety and found myself using it everyday. I slowly started noticing my already altered libido ( due to PSSD) getting worse to the point where I would barely have any sexual thoughts during the day. A few days ago I was about to buy again but suddenly the day I was about to order kratom was banned from my country and all products were removed from the vendor's site. So I said it's time to quit cold turkey. I was planning to slowly taper for some time to avoid withdrawals anyways but now I couldn't do that. It's been I think 8 days since I last took it and my libido is definitely much better. Also no withdrawals, cravings or just anything from it apart from day 1 where I had some mental cravings for it. It helped me a lot to become functional again and achieve my dreams and I'm grateful about it. But it was time to say goodbye. I wish you guys all the best,pain free both mentally and physically ❤️
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