About to quit 16g daily use wondering what im in for
I used suboxone in the past have been clean from that for a year and for some reason picked up kratom . The only thing is, I keep taking it and I dont feel like it doesn anything. No stimulant no sedation no anything. Truly I kept taking it everyday more or less out of habit. Anyway, how gnarly is it? AM I maybe one of the rare people who don't metabolize mitragynine to 7-OH very well? I guess I'll update here. Thanks guys.
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contaminated kratom?
i am 71kg 1,73cm
I've been consuming about 3 grams a day for years, sometimes more on the weekends. 3 weeks ago I ordered a new batch. After consuming it, I initially notice a subtle burning sensation when peeing. I thought it was a bladder infection caused by viruses/bacteria and expected to have to take antibiotics, so I reduced my consumption drastically. The ultrasound and urine test at the urologist didn't find anything, and my symptoms had practically disappeared during my abstinence. Then I tried the new kratom again, and the symptoms came back. When I resumed consuming my old batch for testing, however, no problems arose. I'm using it now to get off it permanently. Has anyone experienced a similar experience? I suspect there might be some kind of astringent in the new batch.I've been consuming about 3 grams a day for years, sometimes more on the weekends. 3 weeks ago I ordered a new batch. After consuming it, I initially notice a subtle burning sensation when peeing. I thought it was a bladder infection caused by viruses/bacteria and expected to have to take antibiotics, so I reduced my consumption drastically. The ultrasound and urine test at the urologist didn't find anything, and my symptoms had practically disappeared during my abstinence. Then I tried the new kratom again, and the symptoms came back. When I resumed consuming my old batch for testing, however, no problems arose. I'm using it now to get off it permanently. Has anyone experienced a similar experience? I suspect there might be some kind of astringent in the new batch.
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Johns Hopkins University Research Study Seeks Participants
Survey Link at Protectkratom.org/research
The Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine is looking for US adults who have used
kratom-derived 7-hydroxymitragynine (7OH, 7-hyroxy, 7-HMG) products to share their
experiences by participating in a research study. This research study involves completing an
online survey about 7OH products.
People who may be eligible are: Adults who reside in the US and who have used 7-
hydroxymitragynine (7OH, 7-hydroxy, 7-HMG) products. Although we do not exclude based on
level of experience with these products, the study will be more impactful by enrolling people
who have used 7OH products more than once or who use on a regular basis.
This online study includes a screening questionnaire that will take approximately 5-10 minutes to
complete. This step is necessary to try and ensure that only eligible human beings (not bots) are
able to complete the survey and be compensated.
Those who screen eligible will be emailed a unique survey link by the study team. The survey
will take approximately 30-45 minutes to complete. Completion times will vary from person to
person. Participants will be compensated at the end of the survey in real-time with a $10 virtual
gift card.
During the survey, you will be provided an opportunity to share your thoughts and opinions. We
welcome ALL perspectives and consumer experiences about these products. Please share this
opportunity widely! To learn more and access the screening questionnaire, go to protectkratom.org/research
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Timing potentiators
If I try l tyrosine or black powder, when should I dose it for help? At the same time I dose my kratom?
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I don't know what to do about the rapidly increasing tolerance of kratom
I'm on 15 gpd right now. I take kratom to help me mentally: motivation, anxiety, energy, depression. The first couple days after not taking it for a long time is great, I feel pretty "normal". After that it just doesn't hit that well. Better than nothing, but really not what I know kratom can do for me. I don't want to up the dose from this. 15 gpd is considered a decent amount. Even if I increase it a little bit, say to 20 gpd, I'd probably get used to it quickly anyway. Then I have to increase it again? Genuinely lost about how to handle this.
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Extreme hunger after it wears off
After kratom wears off an extreme hunger hits me. I feel so hungry like I haven’t eaten in days no matter if I ate a 5 hours ago or an hour ago.
Does this happen to anyone else?
Can I prevent this somehow?
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New Rule (12) "No Semi-Synthetics, Synthetics or Novel ROAs"
The moderators have conferred, and have set a new rule (12) "No Semi-Synthetics, Synthetics, or Novel ROAs".
The full text of the rule:
No discussion about synthetic or semi-synthetic products derived from kratom (Mitragyna speciosa).
Includes but not limited to 7-hydroxymitragynine ("7-OH") and mitragynine pseudoindoxyl.
Other unlisted modified forms of mitragynine or minor alkaloids would generally fall under this rule should the become prevalent on the market.
Extract products that exceed 2% 7-hydroxymitragynine, for the purpose of this rule, are semi-synthetic products.
Products or practices using novel routes of administration (ROAs) outside of oral (consumed, chewed, or sublingual) use are prohibited^(1).
Does not prohibit discussion about transitioning from these compounds.
Does not prohibit discussion about kratom pharmacology, where some of these products may be metabolites, or other research.
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More Information
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We appreciate your understanding as it may take some time to fully implement. This has been an ongoing discussion for the past several weeks, based on posts on this issue, attempts to try to find a less invasive solution, counting things that would/would not fit the model language, using new site tools to try to help users understand the differences between these products and clarify what they are talking about when it comes to extracts, etc. (You'll see these under the posting/comment fields.)
We are using new tools to help inform and educate participants looking for general information about this and other kratom products, initial use, etc. Wiki pages are being worked for this purpose, including other harm reduction topics.
Why?
Most rules exist to deal (for better or worse) with some problem. Our rules are no exception.
1. The biggest reason for this change is that it is nearly impossible to have harm reduction discussions about these products because we cannot discuss brand names, and there is little or no research on human consumption of high doses of 7-hydroxymitragynine or mitragynine pseudoindoxyl. Many products on the market greatly exceed what even an extremely heavy consumer could metabolize (given estimates and available research suggesting 5\~30% of mitragynine converted).
2. There has been the volume of posts about it and arguments about whether it is a "good thing", "bad thing", or "mind your own business." This includes projects (personal or vendor) that include sourcing information in support or opposition to these products that have become "spammy" (or have vendor/sourcing issues).
3. Kratom is an oral product--entirely in traditional use and in aside from the occasional vape product (which is hard to discuss without brand discussion, most of which don't stay on the market long) there is even less research or insight from traditional use about reasonably safe use. We are aware some products on the market are intended for alternative routes of administration (ROAs). Most of this (almost entirely circlejerking "jokes") was removed anyway, (implicit in Rule 4 "... irresponsible use"), more so because new consumers aren't aware what is "serious" and what is a (tired) "joke" and do not want to see anyone potentially hurt because of that.
This decision makes no judgement about who should, or should not, use these products. Endlessly debating this is arbitrary and pointless. There are those who benefit from these products or minimally have extraordinary needs unmet by existing products or medical providers, and any risks these products may or may not have are worthwhile in their opinion.
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10:1 extract normal
Can I take one capsule for the first time or should I take less? I’m generally very tolerant of prescription pain meds.
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What’s the least disgusting way to take kratom powder?
I’m using kratom to help with the withdrawals of 7oh. When I was a teenager I used kratom powder. Back then I would buy a large brisk ice tea bottle and put 10 grams in and shake it up. It was gross and was wondering if any of you have any better ideas. Not a fan of the capsules.
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Ratio
What's the best ratio for a strong brewed loose leaf tea? TIA.
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Why does powder give you the “wobbles”
Does anyone know what causes the sensation of taking to much kratom leaf powder?
In my experience with taking normal kratom extracts, the active metabolites can be taken at higher doses when they are isolated. So why does kratom leaf cause the “wobbles”?
Follow up question, I know its an inefficient use of powder, but would making tea eliminate whatever causes the wobbles? Thanks!
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I quit taking kratom for a week and started taking it again and it doesn't do anything for me anymore. What's going?
I was a heavy user too taking 12 caps every four to six hours. About 6 grams a dose.
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Love Kratom, hate the side effects
Hey Folks. New-ish Kratom user here. I take 1500 MG doses of Whitehorn kratom to keep me from getting lethargic at work. It’s been a huge help in keeping me productive at the office and when I wanna focus on chores and Hobbies.
However, since I’ve started taking Kratom, I’ve been suffering terrible constipation. I normally have perfectly healthy bowel movements, but as of these past few weeks I’m completely irregular. Any tips? Thanks
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Banning kratom in United States?
Does anybody see any reason that they would all of a sudden ban kratom? I always wonder if they would ban it out of nowhere Because things are crazy right now , I never know what's going to happen anymore .
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Morning Anxiety
Anyone experience this from use/stopping use? Can it be related to the adrenals and cortisol release in the AM? No other symptoms.
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Does Kratom reduce the positive effects of Turkey Tail supplements?
I cannot find anything about this online but I'm curious because I do know that kratom acts as an anti-fungal. After a pretty bad health diagnosis, I did some research and started taking taking turkey tail supplements to boost my immune system. I take the supplements around 2 PM and have my first kratom powder tea around 4 PM. I've taken the turkey tail for two months now but I'm wondering if it's being rendered useless by using kratom as well.
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Best sleep aid ever
Hey,
I know a lot of people can’t sleep when they take kratom, but for me it’s the best sleep aid. I had sleep problems all my life. I can’t sleep through the night and I wake up feeling like I’m hungover. But with kratom I only wake up once, maybe twice per night and I wake up feeling refreshed. My sweet spot is to take it 4 hours before sleep. Then I sleep the best, because the stimulating effect is gone but I still feel the relaxation.
I would love to take it every evening but I only take it every other day to avoid dependence.
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why isn't my kratom working
i drank 7g on an empty stomach. i used to drink it semi-regularly YEARS ago but now have zero tolerance and literally just got this bag the night before yesterday, it was working fine before this. it has been 1 hour
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Redosing
Can you redose in 2 hours if the first dose isn’t effective enough? Will it work, or how long do you have to wait?
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Dosage by volume questions
I've been taking kratom for about a week and I was wondering how many grams are in a tablespoon, and how many grams fit into a size 000 gel cap. The kind of kratom I have is Borneo Red and I've been taking about ½ Tablespoons twice a day and I was just wondering how many size 000 caps I would need to get the same effects. Thank you!
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decision is not a blanket statement suggesting that any of these products should, or should not, be legal. Endlessly debating this is pointless. All of the existing regulatory frameworks, by design, do not allow synthetic kratom products or kratom products that exceed 2% 7-hydroxymitragynine. There is no reason to believe that future regulations that may be considered by state or local authorities will be less restrictive than this unless there are significant scientific advancements or astronomic changes in drug policy.
What to do?
Those looking for harm reduction information about semi-synthetic or synthetic products should consult their preferred harm reduction literature or community.
If you are discussing stopping use of these products with kratom or unmodified extracts use the "Transitioning to Kratom" flair.
If you are posting a scientific paper, use the "Scientific or Research Paper."
If you are talking about using kratom extracts, indicate what they are without listing the brand or product name (Rule 10), particularly label dose (mitragynine) or any other included compounds/botanicals, etc.
As a long standing tradition, for reasons of site-wide rule compliance, to reduce inter-sub conflict, differences in participant behavior/norms, etc., we do not endorse or recommend any other sub-reddits or communities (Rule 7).
We (the moderators) understand that this rule will make some people unhappy. At the same time, some people would be unhappy if we did nothing. Our goal has always been to emphasize what unites us, support of ongoing research, continued legality for those adult consumers who choose to use, and meeting your personal goals regarding use (which might include reducing or stopping use).
If you want to discuss this matter, this is the place to do it. It will remain open as long as it is civil. If you are happy about this, we'd ask you not gloat or antagonize those who might disagree. Those who disagree, if you have legitimate concerns--we're happy to consider them and see what can be done (or has been done) to address them.
Use the Message Mods button if you want to discuss this in a more private manner. Nobody is going to be sanctioned for merely (civilly) disagreeing on this matter, so long as other rules are followed.
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Am I being safe about it
I've lost count with how long I've been taking kratom. I believe it's been almost 2 years, although I did quit for a little while. At most, I take 12 capsules in a day. Normally, I take only 6. I'm afraid of getting too dependent and was wondering if I will go through withdrawals from how long I've been taking them even if the dose is low? I dont plan to quit yet, but I worry about longterm affects.
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Need help on if this will make me hungover or not?
Just drank a 215 mg mitragynine. I feel very good but have work tomorrow. Will this make me hungover.
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When can I visit kratom again after physical dependence 10 days clean
I quit 10 days ago and I now know more about kratom than before I thought it wasn't bad so I did heavy amounts for 2 years straight 48 to 60gpd then the next two 28gpd I feel like I'm normal just want to know if I can take it once or twice weekly without restlessness and withdrawal I appreciate any helpful input
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Does anyone have days where kratom just hits WAY HARDER than usual? (Or possibly have effects greatly reduced by Coffee?)
Sorry if the flare is incorrect, I wasnt sure exactly what to post this under.....
But my question is, do you guys happen to have some days where the same dose of kratom, of the same exact batch, hits wayyyyy harder than expected? I typically take just a single teaspoon of kratom every 12-24 hours depending on my sleep schedule and arthritis pain, and never go beyond that
I know I have a bit of a tolerance to kratom, I have been using it for 3-4 years now daily. Every so often, I will get a spoon that just kicks in way, way harder than expected. Its not exactly unpleasant and I would compare the feeling to traditional pain relief medication, I typically get great pain relief and mood benefits, but also I do get a bit lightheaded/nauseous and sometimes end up gagging/dry heaving.
Does this happen with anyone else? Im not sure if there is any correlation, but I will mention I also smoke cannabis, drink coffee and am prescribed Adderall. Today I have only taken Adderall and then about an hour or so later, Kratom. Most days I have Coffee and Adderall before I take kratom, while I have not recorded these instances and kept track of the order in which I ingest substances, I want to say a majority of the time I get this more intense reaction is when I have not had coffee yet and decide to dose Kratom.
So... for a tldr, Does Kratom sometimes just have very intense effects at the same moderate dose and batch, or does it perhaps have anything to do with not drinking coffee before dosing?
Thanks for reading!
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GEM of a Breakdown/Study of Kratom. What it’s made of, plus a ton more
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10648626/
Go to point 6.) - Chemistry and Composition-Linked Actions of Kratom. Use the Find in page button. It’s like 12% down, from the top of the page.
I found this about 6 years ago and have been looking hard just to find it again. 6 years later, I finally found it again. I always wanted to share it with everyone, but my phone broke and lost the bookmark 😛
There’s so much information about the physical composition of what Kratom is made of, in all categories. Not just Active Alkaloids like every other study talks about.
It shows how much is Polyphenols, Catechins like EGCG, and tons of other things are in it that are beyond great for your health, and the amounts of those in Kratom.
It’s very similar to the composition of Green tea. Amazing as an anti inflammatory, anti-bacterial, so many things.
# Read this. Don’t be scared of the length, Take it in chunks.
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Bought some to try but unsure how to take
So I bought some to try as I have heard it is helpful to get off buprenorphine (I was addicted to codeine prescription and ended up referred to drug services - that was 4 years ago.
Also have adhd like everyone else seems to these days and heard it was a wonder plant.
I bought a tester pack of red white and green to test from a "tea" company and it's in leaf form so I measured out a gram, boiled the kettle and made a cup of it. Only took a few sips on an empty stomach and in about 10 minutes I had an evacuation from the brown sulfur cave and then just felt a bit woozy, didn't drink the rest.
How does everyone else take the leaf form? I think it was the strong type so should I try some green next?
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Constipation remedies
I've been using kratom for a couple years now. It makes me so constipated and dries me out to the point my stool is rock solid and clogs the drain and sometimes requires manual assistance to exit... Me. What are some remedies I can try, besides to stop using of course.
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This is my new routine in the morning
just wanted to share the "recipe" for my morning cocktail that I've started drinking the last couple of days.
I'm 40m and have been taking daily kratom since 2021. Usually not massive doses but unfortunately a bit too many redoses per day as of late. I thought I'd make an effort to decrease the T/W redosing by switching method to always mixing with the below. This is what I take in the morning.
First, 1,5-3gr of white and hot water in a small mug. Stir and add concentrated lemon and a whiff of chayenne pepper as potentiators. I also add about a tablespoon of Ashwagandha and the same amount of Tongkat Ali. The latter two doesn't have to be in the mix, I just toss it in there since that's what I'll take every day once a day.
I add just bit of cold water to reduce the temperature. It all goes down in one big gulp and throughout the morning I won't re-dose until around lunch.
I've always used T/W but this hopefully reduces the daily amount.
Would you add or remove anything?
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Stomach discomfort
Anyone else had trouble with this? Did anything help or did it continue to worsen with use?
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