Dosing and experience question!
I tried kratom for the first time about 10 minutes ago, in a drink with 75 mit. I’ve been dealing with severe nerve pain and just ran out of meds, but don’t have an appointment until Monday. I looked it up and many subs and sources say kratom is a relatively safe alternative! So I went to the smoke shop and drank a 75 mit soda, which the guy recommended as not too strong and should help with the pain.
It’s been only a few minutes but I’m definitely feeling it. A little slower and woozy, but not unpleasant. Did I take too much? I’m not opioid naive (15mg hydrocodone once a day for about 2 months) and I’m 260lbs male. Just looking for some experience, insight as to what I should do, and assurance!
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Something really frightening just happened
I had my usual dose of red and within 15 mins I felt really irritable and then a little light headed, I felt like it really hit me and I need to lie down, but this wasn’t like the wobbles, my skin was on fire ! Like it’s stinging so badly, all over my torso mainly, the back of my head, my arms, it felt like it was raw and even if I ripped my skin off it wouldn’t have been enough, also my lips were tingling.
It’s really frightened me, I’m shaking, vision is fine, felt really anxious. I can still feel the warmth from my skin now but it’s calming down. I’ve never experienced anything like that in my life, what the hell was it ?!
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Surgery and kratom
Just curious, has anyone here had surgery while taking kratom daily? If so, did you stop before hand? How much did you lower dose by? Did you tell the doctors about your use?
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Florida Ban
Anybody else going through withdrawals at the moment?
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Folks Coming for Help - Help Them
In the wake of the DEA announcements regarding federal scheduling of 7-HMG over certain limits, and mitragynine pseudoindoxyl, MGM-15, and MGM-16 we expect to continue to see an influx of folks who looking for information for how to transition off these products as it gets closer to when those schedules may come into force.
We're trying whenever we notice it to apply the "㊗️ Transitioning to Kratom" flair on it as an extra reminder and would encourage posters to do the same (FYI 祝 broadly means "congratulations" or "well wishes" in typical contexts.)
If you are asking for help, saying you take 35mg (or whatever amount) isn't immediately helpful if you don't specify what it is you are taking as this may change what folks suggest. Also note that there can be significant variation in products and what your label says on these products may be inaccurate (over or under dosed, or contain other compounds).
Unfortunately we can't discuss brands, even if the purpose is to get better details about what it might require to transition off of it.
Some of these folks have never used kratom before, and need more than "just go back to doing what you are doing before 7-HMG."
It is not the place to antagonize them, criticize them for having chosen to use these products to begin with, criticism that their use may have been (statistically) extreme, or criticizing them for these products now pending scheduling.
>⚠️ Note that there are some community allegations that some smoke shop products labeled as Cat's Claw (Uncaria tomentosa) contain MGM-15 or some of these other mitragynine derivatives or mitragynine adjacent research chemicals (some suggesting it is listed on the lab report in some cases). They may be marketed this way to try to avoid regulators or more sloppy QA. This might not get you any closer to stopping this use ahead of when these products may be pulled by stores or subject to law enforcement action.
If you are going to try Cat's Claw it would be advisable to do so using products purchased from a regular vitamin or botanical health store in large quantity bottles, not a smoke shop product in a blister pack with a few tablets or where it is labeled as a "proprietary blend."
In general, we've always allowed discussions on how (or if it is possible) to stop using any substance or making any other health change with kratom, even in cases where there isn't a lot of evidence suggesting that it might be a particularly good replacement or where there a lot less case reports of folks actively using it that way, except in the most extreme cases (Rule 11) that rarely come up.
If you have practical advice, such as suggesting what starting dose might assist them in transitioning to kratom either for sustained use or to eventually taper to zero, then that may be helpful to them.
We've always allowed discussions of other resources such as in-patient treatment, non-medication approaches, or prescribed medication-based approaches that may or may not include kratom, especially if there isn't any personal experience, reports, or medical rationale to suggest kratom might be a particularly good option or where the poster has made comments that suggests something self-directed, even if useful or an improvement over many worse options, might not be an ideal choice.
We've never allowed discussions of using research chemicals (beyond tapering down with what they already have prior to transition) or illicitly sourcing regulated (prescription or controlled) drugs for this or any other purpose (Rule 4).
Note that in some jurisdictions kratom has recently become illegal as well, such as Kansas and Tennessee. In some sales restrictions and legal uncertainties regarding sales have disrupted purchasers.
We've never allowed discussions of using kratom where it is illegal to do so (Rule 4), including ways to traffic it into those areas. Where people have talked about
What is happening in California? I can't get it sent?
I take kratom for chronic migraines, it helps just as much or more than other medications I've been given. For years I've gotten it shipped to CA. Now they don't ship to California I'm in nor cal and no ban's gone through locally or otherwise as far as I can tell. Is this true of all sellers now? Is it impossible to get it shipped to CA?
I try to keep up on these things, but I missed whatever change has happened. The AKA needs to make California a major focal point, as goes CA so goes the country as they say.
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Kava + Kratom = Cooked Blood Pressure
I've been pulling my hair out for months trying figure out why my blood pressure would spike to 150+/90 any time I took kratom. I had been using it for 14 years prior and never had such issue, I also had been using kava on and off for 7 years and also never had a problem with it.
It wasn't until I switched to stone kava that it first began, it slowly got worse over a few weeks until I realized what was happening. Any time I would take kratom I would get this anxious/edgy feeling along with feeling the pounding of my pulse from the high bp. I quit taking kava and now the magic is back and blood pressure is completely normal again.
I still have no pharmacological explanation for it, I switched brands of kava to see if that was it. It did get a little better but it was still happening so I quit it altogether.
Has anyone else experienced the same?
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Does kratom makes studying for exams less boring?
I have a college exam in 2 weeks. I have to focus and power through very boring PowerPoints. I notice that kratom makes things in general more tolerable, would it work for studying? Do you think it positively affects tolerability to studying, increases focus, etc? I have kratom green, maybe kratom white would be better for this purpose? Meanwhile would green work? What dosage do you recommend? Thank you guys.
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Urine drug screen
Just providing anecdotal experience that kratom didn't show up a false positive on an 18 panel drug test (test was taken by a friend who is a heavy daily kratom user and had to take a test at a local clinic). It was a cup test so not sent to a lab. I don't know if there are individual differences that make it show up for some as a false positive. I've read a few horror stories of it showing up for methadone (but I suspect that may just be caused by adulterated kratom).
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Ohio board of pharmacy next steps
Realistically, what steps do they have? I feel bad because if you’re a vendor they are making your life a living hell. But for myself who uses natural kratom I am not worried about being sent to jail to stay pain free. So I feel like the board might try to keep going forward only because they want to put public pressure on the jcar but I don’t think it’s work so instead get them cracking down in dumb rules for vendors or psa that make kratom look bad. But really the goal just to ride it out. We are in July DeWine gone in November. I pray we can just ride this non sense out the dea helped lot tho that was big making the difference
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Dosing question, Down to 4 gpd from 20
I started taking kratom again for 2 and a half years now, I've gotten down to 4 grams a day after a couple months. I'm not looking to stop taking, just wanted to feel the effects more and not have withdrawals whenever i miss a dose.
Right now I take 1 gram about every 4-5 hours throughout the day. My question is, would it be better to take two grams twice a day, or if anybody has any tips that would be great. I'm a stay at home dad so the low energy has been getting to me lately.
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Ohio Board of Pharmacy Meeting - Happening Now
The meeting started at 9:30 am and has been muted for over an hour. Anyone else waiting?
Here is the link to listen or watch: https://www.pharmacy.ohio.gov/boardmeeting
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Regarding KRA/MIT urinalysis.
To be accountable and for peace of mind I am submitting to these tests. Can anyone give guidance on how long it will take for me give a negative result. Consumption is \~ 30mg a day. The test says 300ng/ml
I have looked through google and it seems to be about of conflicting information. Anywhere from 7 days to 30 days.
Much appreciated.
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Bans
In states where the bans have gone into effect, what do stores do with their inventory to prepare? Do they have going out of business sales?
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REMINDER: AKA WEBINAR IS TONIGHT 7.7.26 @8PM EST
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Natural Kratom Leaf Consumers Should Not Be Used to Protect the 7-OH Opioid Industry
Dear Amazing Advocates,
Over the past several days, manufacturers and sellers of chemically manipulated 7-OH opioid products have been urging natural kratom consumers to flood the federal government with comments opposing the proposed scheduling of these products.
Please do not participate in this deceptive campaign.
The American Kratom Association wants every natural kratom consumer to understand an important fact:
✅ Natural kratom leaf is NOT the target.
Federal agencies—including the DEA, HHS, and FDA—have all distinguished natural kratom leaf from chemically manipulated, high-potency 7-OH products. The current federal action is aimed at products containing elevated levels of 7-OH and related synthetic compounds—not traditional kratom leaf.
⚠️ What Is HHS Actually Asking For?
The Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) is not asking for personal testimonials or form letters.
Instead, HHS has requested scientific evidence regarding:
🔬 Appropriate 7-OH safety thresholds
🧪 Toxicology and pharmacology data
📊 Product testing and analytical chemistry
📈 Scientific methods for measuring 7-OH concentrations
This is a scientific proceeding—not a popularity contest. Personal stories, no matter how sincere, are not the evidence HHS requested.
🚫 Don't Let Your Voice Be Hijacked
Many of the companies now asking consumers to "save kratom" are the same companies selling concentrated 7-OH opioid products.
They are attempting to recreate the grassroots movement that successfully protected natural kratom in 2016—but this is not the same fight.
In 2016, consumers defended a traditional botanical product.
Today, federal regulators are addressing chemically manipulated, high-potency opioid products that are fundamentally different from natural kratom leaf.
🌿 Protect Natural Kratom by Protecting the Difference
The long-term future of natural kratom depends on maintaining a clear distinction between:
✅ Natural kratom leaf and traditional extracts
❌ Chemically manipulated 7-OH products and related opioid compounds
Allowing manufacturers of concentrated 7-OH products to continue marketing them simply as "kratom" only creates greater confusion—and greater regulatory risk for responsible consumers and legitimate vendors.
📢 What We Ask of Consumers
Please help protect natural kratom by:
✅ Rejecting manufacturer-written form letters presented as scientific comments
✅ Ignoring claims that scheduling concentrated 7-OH automatically means scheduling natural kratom—it does not
✅ Refusing to participate in fear-based campaigns designed to protect commercial interests
✅ Supporting science-based policymaking that distinguishes natural kratom from chemically manipulated opioid products
🌱 The Bottom Line
Natural kratom consumers have worked for years to preserve access to a botanical that has helped millions of Americans.
Don't allow that movement to be exploited to protect an entirely different class of products.
Protect natural kratom. Reject chemically manipulated 7-OH opioids. Let science—not industry misinformation—guide federal policy.
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Bans?
I've been using kratom powder at like 1-2 gm doses a few times a day for nearly 10 years, after suboxone withdrawals lasted me SEVERAL months i started using kratom.
I stay on it for pain/fatigue. It keeps me moving. I've been using the same vendor for years, staying clear of smoke shop /gas station kratom cause it's so expensive and doesn't even really work for me tbh.
I just keep seeing bans, bans bans everywhere here! I'm not in a banned state. But did they just do a broad sweeping ban on that 7 oh stuff? Never used that stuff and just heard about it a few weeks ago. Just making sure regular plain powder is safe? Thank you!!!
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Stopping Kratom before surgery. The last 7 gps are the hardest
I have a surgery coming up. I used to take 30gpd for 5 years now and got anxious about the effect on anesthesia as the withdrawal etc can fuck with pain tolerance, amount of anesthesiayou need etc. (If anyone has experience let me know).
Just to share my experience
The surgery is in 1 month and 1 week.
\- I reduced immediately feom 25/30 to 10gpd. It was surprisingly easy. I reduced the amount, bit kept thw frequency (4-5 times per day, small amounts)
\- Kept the 10gpd for 7 days
\- then reduced slowly to 7gpd.
Its weirs but with 7gpd I felt mentally way better than with 30.
Now I reduced down to 3-5gpd and I have to say now it starts getting difficult. Restless legs are starting and wont atop because of the small amounts. Heat, sick feeling, headache etc. I want to be completely off 2 weeks before surgery. So ill take it slow now and taper down over 2 weeks. I hope that will work.
It is pretty uncomfortable. Similar to tramadol. But Im proud for making it. It was purely recreational as Im lucky enough to not need it yet for pain or something. So giving my body a break feels good.
All the best to you guys
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going out of state, we've taken the view that if it can be taken as "this person might be going out of the state to use it while traveling in legal places" then we can take it that way unless it is obvious this is not the case.
However, in some places it is legal to possess even if it is not legal to be sold, or regulators are claiming it is not legal to be sold for the courts to eventually adjudicate.
As of 2018, per Reddit we are not allowed to discuss specific vendors, vendors who may be taking more aggressive legal positions in ambiguous states, vendor lists, or vendors one simply may not like for one reason or another. If there is a product you believe is dangerously adulterated, contact the moderators, especially if you have evidence.
>🛑 This is not the place to complain about the scheduling action (this thread), nor is it in posts for people asking for practical information to help transitioning. It isn't helpful for people looking for solutions in an increasingly short amount of time.
We've allowed this in posts about laws being considered by legislatures and cannot be avoided, and where it cannot be avoided, in discussions on pharmacology where it cannot be avoided, but is otherwise off-topic (Rule 12) and has been for over a year (as of March 2025).
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HELP.
I have never used Kratom. I live in Rhode Island where it is apparently legal. I just turned 60 and suffer from degenerative disc disease and am in enormous pain with sciatica due to doing heavy labor my whole life. Almost any doctor you go to these days treats you like you're a junkie trying to get high. I could care less about catching a buzz, i want to not be in pain anymore. I can't continue to live like this. Can someone walk me through it? Please...
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Recreational / self medicating users: Optimum days per week?
I use for recreation mostly, which is also by definition self medication due to AuDHD. Never during work. Mostly like it for the prosocial effects. Gets me out of my hyperfocused internal thought loops and nonstop feeling of "never enough" (ADHD dopamine issues I assume).
Over a year or so, my use has crept up to 4 days per week most weeks. My short work days and off work day. Wednesday, and Friday through Sunday. I've been up from 3 days per week for a couple months now. I tend to try and start as late as possible since I compulsively want to continue the effects once they start. Maybe 5-10 gpd.
Right now, maybe every other Tuesday night I struggle a bit with restlessness in bed. Not too bad, but enough that I think it might be the kratom causing it. However, at the moment, the positive effects are still worth it. But I do worry about steadily increasing tolerance.
What do you guys find to be the optimum amount and days per week to maintain the euphoric recreational effects, minimal rebound/withdrawals on off days, and non-escalating doses?
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Tea Recipe
Hi all, I hope you are having a fantastic Thursday.
I was thinking about how I make my loose leaf tea, and was wondering if there was a better way to get more of the good stuff per batch. Here's what I do:
1L hot water
\~45 mL of pure lemon juice
cram a handful of loose leaf (crushed) kratom into the cold brew basket
Let sit for > 8 hrs or so.
It comes out pretty good, and I feel it, but I was wondering if anyone knows a better way?
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Shelf life
I found some bottles of a brand of cold brewed kratom tea that I’ve been looking for and given up hope on for a long time, as they are discontinued. I just stumbled upon a shop I’d never been to that had them.
The absolute latest they could’ve been bottled is January 2025. They are sealed and have presumably been stored in a fridge the whole time. Have these likely lost all potency by now?
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I'm just going to go right back
I've been using kratom for 3 years about 30g+ a day, I quit like 2-3 weeks ago and wd was hell, I'm just pissed off. I didn't want to quit.
Whole time I've been thinking there's no point of quitting right now because I don't want to. I wanted to a couple months ago, but I lost someone super important to me and my family, I've completely detached from everything around me and am sitting in anger all day when I want to just block it out and go on doing fun things and being happy like I was...
Idk what to do.. I'm kinda sad but mostly mad at everything around me. No talking or therapy is gonna help. This is not good... idk why tf I'm even posting this...
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Kratom & pain management
I have been taking Kratom for pain for a few years and honestly it has given me more relief than anything else but recently my genetic disorder symptoms have been worsening to the point that I can't really function. I live right on the border between a legal and illegal state. I got a referral to pain management and it turned out that a good friend of mine goes there as well. Its on the illegal side where I also live. She also takes Kratom and she told her doctor up front but they told her it didn't show up on her drug screen so they didnt care. Well, I went in to see my doctor in the same clinic today and was given a rant about how I failed my drug screen due to Kratom and since I was on illegal drugs they weren't willing to prescribe me any medications.
Unfortunately, its now been written into my report there and apparently this group of dr.'s runs every pain management center within an hour and a half of where I live. Has anyone dealt with this? Is there anything I can do? I dont think its worth quitting kratom on the chance that they will prescribe something more effective. I don't really know what I want. I'm just frustrated and still in pain.
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DEA Announces Temporary 7-OH Ban; Public Comment Period Underway.
https://www.kratomscience.com/2026/07/07/dea-announces-temporary-7-oh-ban-30-day-comment-period-underway/
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Transition from 7 to leaf/extract questions
I can’t find solid info on when the scheduling would go into effect but it sounds like it would be soon so I need to figure out what I plan to do. I’m not down to take suboxone so I feel like my only real option will be to start taking mit extracts. My question is regarding dosage and tolerance: I currently take about 35 mg at a time (Ive been on a very long taper from a much higher dose) and I still think the amount of plain leaf i would need is too much to be digestible but I don’t know how much mitragynine I would need to take to have a similar effect as my current dose
Anyone out there who has made this transition and can provide perspective on what the dosage ratio would be or any other advice?
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AKA WEBINAR LIVE NOW ON YOUTUBE
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What's the best way to get the most out of your dose?
Hi everyone, I’ve been using leaf powder for three years, I recently turned 30 and am from France, taking about 8 to 15g a day in two doses.
How do you take your kratom?
I’ve tried the "toss and wash" method a few times, but I just can't manage it. Occasionally, I buy empty size #000 capsules, but I prefer simply downing it in one go mixed with water and fruit juice (pineapple is best), like 8g in 500ml.
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Waiting on Ohio
My theory is that they just drop it they had a meeting today but no news came out about it. They talked about the Jcar hearing and natural kratom my theory is they did say no not now in the future that’s why we can’t bring it up again. So let’s just drop it. I don’t think we will see an announcement saying he we backed down. Make some more look bad. I doubt they move forward with it and let slowly fade away from memory
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