Bro first thing that according to the Holy Quran you should avoid assumptions.
Surah Al Hujraat Ayah # 12
O ye who believe, avoid too much suspicion (assumptions); for some suspicion. (assumptions) may do much sin.
You made a clear assumption about me that I am just arguing with you regarding Munir Ahmad Sahab's claims, but I was asking you the question with full heart regarding the recognition of Munir Ahmad Sahab, because I also believe that the door of Prophethood is not closed, and if we talk about to Munir Ahmad Azim sahb's claims what arguments did he present so that people can read or listen to those and then understand about his claim. You see, only claiming that someone is Prophet and Messenger is mot enough that needs to be proved, But from your side a single argument or statement and reason were not given.
Secondly, there is another person from India, Qadian named Khalid Junba sahab. He also claims that he is a Prophet and Messenger but when asked about the arguments, his statements are like "Winds talk to me" and something like that, and these kinds of statements are not acceptable since these are just talks not the Arguments presented from the Holy Quran.
Since the Holy Quran is the only source of Hidayah, every Prophet who comes must present the teachings of the Holy Quran.
Thirdly you are saying that the second coming of Holy Prophet is related to more than one beings. I didn't disagree with that.
But Munir Ahmad Azim sahb's claim that he is Messiah is not according to the prediction of Holy Prophet صلی اللّٰہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم because Holy Prophet صلی اللّٰہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم gave prediction about 1 Messiah only, who will come and save the Ummah from enmities and attacks. And that Messiah has already come, named Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiyani علیہ السلام and when he claimed himself as Messiah, Mehdi, Prophet and Messenger He himself presented arguments and statements and reasons to read and understand about his claim. But if Munir Ahmad Azim sahb is claiming to be Prophet and Messenger then he must have presented arguments from the Holy Quran, but when I asked you, you didn't give me any from your side.
Fourth, when ALLAH Almighty will send Prophet and Messenger, it is because the Prophet will remove the differences among the people with the Ayaahs of Holy Quran, like Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad علیہ السلام did. But what differences has Munir Ahmad Azim sahab removed.
Fifth, you wrote in your message that you don't want to argue, you just gave me the message that Munir Ahmad sahab claims to be the Prophet and Messenger and I have to admit, brother do you think that you are going to preach your message this way? I am sorry but by reading your text it looked like you ran out of arguments so at the last resort you said this.
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Assalamu Alaikum Brother,
You have answered simply that Yes that's okay. But you did not understand from this verse that the Second Coming of Hazrat Muhammad Mustafa (sal) for this Umma especially for the Aakhireen will not be only one prophet but many prophet will come. Means that this verse of Sura Jumua
mentions many prophets
will come even after Hazrat Mirza Gulam Ahmad (Ali).
If you understand this , then the same verse will be applicable for the future prophets as well.Then you can not say simply that this verse already mentioned by Hazrat Mirza Gulam Ahmad ali by himself, so that it will not applicable for any other prophet.
Brother, I do not like to argue or making debate with you. moreover just I want to convey that A Mujaddid, Messenger,Maseeh and Mahdi of this century has arrived already. Don't follow your own desired definition to identify a messenger like what the Sunni and other Muslims are doing with Hazrat Maaeeh E Mawood (ali). What you are asking to me that the same questions are already available Infront of you by other Muslims.
Brother, Do you agree that the verse of Sura Al Jum'ua mentioned about the coming prophets for Aakhireen will not be one only but many will come to revive the faith?
Are you agree the words mentioned in the Hadees that
*رِجَالٌ ـ أَوْ رَجُلٌ*
*some men or man*?
Yes that's okay.
You are saying the right thing here that the door of Prophethood is not closed. It is a blessing of ALLAH Almighty which will never be stopped.
But whenever a Prophet comes, He declares himself the Prophet and Messenger of ALLAH Almighty, then he presents the arguments himself,
And the Arguments which should be presented must be from the Holy Quran, and then Sunnah of Prophet Muhammad صلی اللّٰہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم
But the claim of Munir Ahmad Azim sahb is contradicting with all this, that he doesn't present Ayah of the Holy Quran regarding his claim of Prophethood.
And whenever the Messiah comes, his duty is to save the Ummah from the enmities and attacks on Islam and belief, and when Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiyani علیہ السلام was sent by ALLAH Almighty at that time Christians were the ones who were attacking the Islamic beliefs from left and from right as well, that was the time when the Messiah stood up against them and defended the Islam. But now what are the enmities and attacks from which Munir Ahmad Azim sahb has been sent as a Messiah (Savior)
Second coming of Prophet Muhammad (sal) is not just one but many more will come. Hazrat Mirza Gulam Ahmad Ali of Qadiani was the first one among them. Hazrat
Mirza Gulam Ahmad (Ali) came to open this Gate.And whoever will come after Hazrat Mirza Gulam Ahmad (Ali) , all those prophets should also accept Hazrat Mirza Gulam Ahmad (ali). Because Hazrat Mirza Gulam Ahmad (Ali) is the Khatamul Khulafa.
Hazrat Muneer Ahmad (Ali) got this status , because He followed Hazrat Muhammad Mustafa sal and also his Second Coming Hazrat Mirza Gulam Ahmad (Ali).
Allah Almighty raised
Hazrat Muneer Ahmad (Ali)
in this Era (15 th Century Hijra) as the Mujaddid, Messiah and Mahdi.
And in the next century also another one will come.He is the Mujaddid and Maseeh Mahdi of this Era only.
And when Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiyani علیہ السلام declared himself a Prophet, Messiah, The second coming of Holy Prophet صلی اللّٰہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم in آخرین منھم, He had given all the Statements and Reasons all by himself, and all the Arguments which he presented were from Holy Quran and The Sunnah of Prophet Muhammad صلی اللّٰہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم
But according to Munir Ahmad Azim sahb, he hasn't given any argument or statement and reason regarding his claim, Why is that??
Yes that's correct that the door of the blessing of Prophethood is opened.
And there's mentioned about the second coming of Holy Prophet صلی اللّٰہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم in Surah Jummah.
But the second coming of Holy Prophet Muhammad صلی اللّٰہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم has already done by ALLAH Almighty, when he appointed Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiyani علیہ السلام
And when the second coming of Holy Prophet صلی اللّٰہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم has already done then how come another coming could happen,
So *Prophets of God should continue to appear from time to time*, so that *we may receive the Blessings* for what we are supplicating in our five times daily prayers, *which belongs to the Prophets and Messengers of God*.
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And why prophets should come?
The answer is:
"I have never claimed that being Massihiyat will be terminated on me and no any Massih will come in the future.On the Contrary, I admit and say repeatedly that not only one but more than 10000 Maseeh may come.And it is possible that he may come with apparent dignity and success, and it is possible that he may descend in Damascus"
(Izala e Auham,Roohani khazain Vol3/P251).
Here the word رِجَالٌ
rijal is used which means ‘men’.So the Prophecy of Hazrat Muhammad Mustafa (sal) mentioned not only one person and also many will come.
What we learned from Sura Al Jumua?
We know that Allah says :
ہُوَ الَّذِیۡ بَعَثَ فِی الۡاُمِّیّٖنَ رَسُوۡلًا مِّنۡہُمۡ یَتۡلُوۡا عَلَیۡہِمۡ اٰیٰتِہٖ وَ یُزَکِّیۡہِمۡ وَ یُعَلِّمُہُمُ الۡکِتٰبَ وَ الۡحِکۡمَۃَ ٭ وَ اِنۡ کَانُوۡا مِنۡ قَبۡلُ لَفِیۡ ضَلٰلٍ مُّبِیۡنٍ۔ وَّ اٰخَرِیۡنَ مِنۡہُمۡ لَمَّا یَلۡحَقُوۡا بِہِمۡ ؕ وَ ہُوَ الۡعَزِیۡزُ الۡحَکِیۡمُ
“He it is Who has raised among the Unlettered people a Messenger from among themselves who recites unto them His Signs, and purifies them, and teaches them the Book and wisdom, although they were before, in manifest misguidance; And among others from among them who have not yet joined them. He is the Mighty, the Wise.” (Surah al-Jumuah, Ch.62: V.3-4)
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Look, you have put the verse of Sura Al Haqqah that ALLAH will never give a long life to a lier who is fabricating
in ALLAH's Revelation or telling that Allah told me such and such things.
Now , if you really believe this Ayat then You must accept Hazrat Munir (ali) and his proclamations. Because he is telling His Divine Revelation since 1999. Now more than 23 years has already passed. If he is a lier and fabricating in ALLAH's Divine Revelation then why Allah do not catch him until now? Think by yourself.This is a great sign for you. Ask our Rab alone about his truthfulness. May Allah Almighty give you Hidayath.
AMEEN.
Bro, I already answered your question.
But you haven't answered my question, that when a Messiah has been sent by ALLAH Almighty, that Messiah defends the Islam and belief from the enmities and attacks. And the same happened with Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiyani علیہ السلام that when Christians were attacking on Islam and Islamic beliefs from each and every side then the Messiah stood up against them and was the saviour for Muslims. And when someone claims that he is the Prophet and Messenger, He has to present the arguments to people regarding his claim and present his arguments from Holy Quran and Sunnah.
But in the case of Munir Ahmad Azim sahb, against whom he has been sent as Messiah and what arguments he had presented regarding is claim?
To answer your question, I am quoting the Five Ayahs from Holy Quran
Surah Al Haqqah Ayah # 45 to 49
"45 - If he had fabricated any saying and attributed it to Us,
46 - We would surely have seized him by the right hand,
47 - And then surely We would have severed his large artery,
48 - And not one of you could have kept Us from it.
49 - Verily, this Quran is a source of guidance and honour for those who are mindful of their duty to Allah.
In this Ayahs, ALLAH Almighty clearly says that if a person attributes anything to ALLAH Almighty which was not from ALLAH Almighty himself (the biggest thing that a liar could attribute to ALLAH Almighty is the false claim of Prophethood, because Prophethood is the biggest Blessing of ALLAH Almighty and if someone will lie regarding this matter he'll be held for serious consequences from ALLAH Almighty)
ALLAH Almighty will hold him with his right hand (means there will be no force who could've saved him)
And ALLAH Almighty will cut his main artery, that means the person who attributes lies to ALLAH Almighty, his followers and his system will be destroyed and there will be no one who will even name him.
Dear Ahmadi brother,
Hazrat Mirza Gulam Ahmad Ali has given all the reasons and arguments for his Proclamations not by himself
put Infront of the world. Allah had taught him. Because at the beginning he also believed that Hazrat Esa ali is in the heaven.But ALLAH told him by the Divine Revelation.Now I have a single Question that If someone lie that Allah has revealed me that I am the Messenger,;then what will happen? Please explain me according to the Holy Quran.
And the Arguments which you are presenting here in the favour of the claim of Munir Ahmad Azim sahb, are all the ones which have already been presented by Hazrat Masih e Mehdi Maud علیہ السلام
It means Munir Ahmad Azim sahb hasn't given his arguments under which his claim could be prevailed,
So basically you are saying that Munir Ahmad Azim sahb is Prophet and claims to be the second coming of Holy Prophet صلی اللّٰہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم as well ??
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If we can receive these Blessings from other than Prophets and Messengers then, he should be mentioned.But these Blessings solely belongs to the Prophets and Messengers only. So they will continue appear from time to time.
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Beware and do not deceive yourselves by following the
mere form of Islam. Study the Word of God closely and
see what He requires, and it is that which you have been
taught in Surah Al-Fatihah:
6. اِهۡدِ نَا الصِّرَاطَ الۡمُسۡتَقِیۡمَ ۙ﴿﴾
7. صِرَاطَ الَّذِیۡنَ اَنۡعَمۡتَ عَلَیۡهِمۡ ۬ۙ غَیۡرِ الۡمَغۡضُوۡبِ عَلَیۡهِمۡ وَ لَا الضَّآلِّیۡنَ ٪﴿﴾
( 1: 6-7 )
While God enjoins you to supplicate five times a day
for the blessings which belong to the Prophets and
Messengers of God, how is it possible for you to acquire these blessings without their help? It is,therefore, essential in order to help you attain the
stage of certainty and love that Prophets of God
should continue to appear from time to time so that
you may receive these blessings from them. Do you
wish to challenge God Almighty and violate His eternal law? Can a sperm say that it did not want to be born of a father? Can the ears declare that they do not
want to hear through the medium of air? Nothing can
be more foolish than to challenge the age-old law of
God Almighty.(lecture sialkot)
So Maseeh is not one like the
Ummat of Hazrat Moosa (Ali), Many Messiahs will come in the Ummat of Khatamul Ambiya Hazrat Muhammad Mustafa (sal).
No Prophets will come in the Ummat E Muhamdiyya only
in between Hazrat Muhammad Mustafa (sal) and the First Messaih Hazrat Mirza Gulam Ahmad (Ali). But after that Many prophets should come.
This is also proved by the wordings of Hazrat Maseeh E Mawood (Ali):
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And we know already the explanation of this verse by Khatamun Nabiyyeen
Hazrat Muhammad Mustafa (sal), that is related by Hazrat Abu Hurairahra. He narrates:
كُنَّا جُلُوسًا عِنْدَ النَّبِيِّ صلى الله عليه وسلم فَأُنْزِلَتْ عَلَيْهِ سُورَةُ الْجُمُعَةِ {وَآخَرِينَ مِنْهُمْ لَمَّا يَلْحَقُوا بِهِمْ}
قَالَ قُلْتُ مَنْ هُمْ يَا رَسُولَ اللهِ فَلَمْ يُرَاجِعْهُ حَتَّى سَأَلَ ثَلاَثًا، وَفِينَا سَلْمَانُ الْفَارِسِيُّ، وَضَعَ رَسُولُ اللهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم يَدَهُ عَلَى سَلْمَانَ ثُمَّ قَالَ ” لَوْ كَانَ الإِيمَانُ عِنْدَ الثُّرَيَّا لَنَالَهُ *رِجَالٌ ـ أَوْ رَجُلٌ* ـ مِنْ هَؤُلاَءِ
“We were sitting with the Holy Prophetsa, when Surah al-Jumuah was revealed to him. When he recited the verse, ‘And among others from among them who have not yet joined them’, a man asked, ‘O Messenger of Allah, who are these people [who will hold the rank of the companions of the Prophet, but have not yet joined them].’ The Prophetsa did not answer him. The man repeated his question thrice. The narrator says that [a non-Arab companion] Hazrat Salman al-Farsira was sitting amongst us. The Holy Prophetsa placed his hand on his shoulder and said, ‘Even if faith was to ascend to the Pleiades, *some men or man* from among his people will bring it back to earth.’” (Hadees No. 4897, Sahih al-Bukhari, Kitab al-Tafsir)
Assalamu Alkm Brother,
Jazak Allah for your good question.
if you read the same E-phamplate itself,
He mentioned very clearly that "...I have come not as an intellectual but rather as a personification (the second coming) of my beloved master Hazrat Muhammad (peace be upon him) as prophesied in *Surah Jumu'ah*. ....."
In this claim it is clearly mentioned that Munir Ahmad Azim sahb is saying that he is the Messenger of ALLAH Almighty.
But on what grounds He is claiming that? Means what Ayah of Holy Quran He is presenting in the support of his claim??
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