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not if the coinjoin in different pools like under and over 0.1 btc

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except if there are enough users for small and big utxos

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not just the person coinjoing but also all other participants in the rounds

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if you coinjoin a few bitcoin and you get 1000 utxos with around 5000 to 10000 sats most will recombine thus reducing their own and others anon sets...

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(the anonset being smaller)

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if it will not be merged

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I don't think this approach is favored by the devs, they seem to prefer the strategy of registering more inputs for each round instead.

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Here's the open issue for it: https://github.com/WalletWasabi/WalletWasabi/issues/12674

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Yes, BTCPay Server's coinjoin plugin has a consolidation mode that allows you to register up to 30 inputs in a coinjoin round and a minimum sized output setting that allows you to specify the smallest UTXO you want to receive.

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eg if you have 10x 5000 sats or so, send them to a xmr swap in one TX so they are totally isolated from your main stack

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problem is they are all too small

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I can't index the round by txid

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Wasabist shows all rounds

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There's several tools and websites that list and compare coinjoin coordinators:

Wasabinostr desktop tool - https://github.com/Kukks/wasabinostr
Wasabist - https://wasabist.io/
Wabisator - https://wabisator.com
Liquisabi bot (Twitter) - https://x.com/liquisabi
Liquisabi bot (Nostr) - npub1u4rl3zlfa2efxslhypf4v6r8va5e0c9smxyr5676pxkyk0chn33s0teswa

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Yes, Wasabi still has the coinjoin feature.

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It's not really a factor of liquidity, it's a division problem.

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The tradeoff with that is that you would often create an uneven "change" output in the coinjoin since lower denominations are not available, which also reduces the anon sets others would gain as well.

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setting a min value for outputs would help a lot

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I wouldn't say "unusable". Private coins don't become non private just because you merge them together, it's only a marginal privacy loss compared to spending them individually. But the issue of many UTXOs isn't inherently solvable, there's always some sort of tradeoff depending on the strategy:

1. You can reduce privacy by consolidating outputs from coinjoins
2. You can reduce privacy by creating less outputs in each coinjoin
3. You can reduce privacy by adding more inputs in each coinjoin

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Also this has some privacy implication. I think when you are a merchant you anyway have a lot of entropy with tx coming from thousand of people potentially. But if it’s just you that has consequences

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makes it unusable for users with highher amounts

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you think this will get merged?

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any plans to do that within wasabi? minimum sized output option?

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it can also happen that when you switch coordinator and use red coin isolation it will churn all the small utxo into even smaller utxo one at the time

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maybe merge them but spend them fully to avoid any more change

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Merging them present risks, they are a bit like doxxing change. One thing you could do is submarine swap them to lightning or to monero

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is it possible to avoid getting hundreds of very small utxos in settings somehow?

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Where can I find all the round today on kruw? @Kruwed

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Since the default coinjoin coordinator discontinued their service, you can switch to a new one in your settings:

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