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Are hardware wallets invincible against hackers or scammers so long as they don't physically possess the hardware wallet?

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I tried the RPC GUI, never managed to get it to work

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something similar to wasabi but for ltc?

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Does wasabi wallet support trx, ltc? Or only BTC ?

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If you are interested, I had previously opened an issue that considers privacy loss from postmix consolidations: https://github.com/WalletWasabi/WalletWasabi/issues/10565

Here's a table of amount agnostic combinations that allow the closest naive guesses: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1SpptwNZEf1Zikq2TGerUx1qTLefs_5xiYygS--9wnWI/edit?gid=528425917#gid=528425917

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Payincoinjoin is available in Wasabi only by using the RPC, but it's a full GUI feature in BTCPay Server's coinjoin plugin.
https://docs.wasabiwallet.io/using-wasabi/RPC.html#payincoinjoin

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havent tried that yet. will do

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manually consolidating is the only option for most. but thats diminishing everyones anon sets... but yeah... dont let the good be the enemy of the perfect

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that wouldnt be a problem for everyone understanding the utxo model. but for everyone else (wich is the majority of cours)

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The fewer denominations available to a user in the coinjoin round, the more likely it is they will produce change above their "waste" level, and the more deterministic their selections become.

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but of course its not as easy ans simple to set this up. would chanbge a lot

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It's not really a factor of liquidity, it's a division problem.

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The tradeoff with that is that you would often create an uneven "change" output in the coinjoin since lower denominations are not available, which also reduces the anon sets others would gain as well.

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setting a min value for outputs would help a lot

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I wouldn't say "unusable". Private coins don't become non private just because you merge them together, it's only a marginal privacy loss compared to spending them individually. But the issue of many UTXOs isn't inherently solvable, there's always some sort of tradeoff depending on the strategy:

1. You can reduce privacy by consolidating outputs from coinjoins
2. You can reduce privacy by creating less outputs in each coinjoin
3. You can reduce privacy by adding more inputs in each coinjoin

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What influence one’s utxo breakdown most?

From my undrstanding:

Paricipants in Round
Size of UTXO registered in CJ
Total amount in wallet.
Number of inputs registered by client.

I think right now round start at 0 the more participants OR inputs, the more likely to merge inputs into larger ones.

It seems like a major problem to try estimate and given consolidation only happens starting with many small denominations it cause centralization, small rounds only works with small wallets.

If someone with a 2 BTC wallet mixes with, for example, Opencoordinator, best case scenario is to end up with ~200 UTXO most of them below 0.01 BTC

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Hey, Is it somewhat easier than before to Mix to another opened wallet?

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There used to be an LTC Wasabi fork. They called it Mustard. But AFAIK it's not maintained.

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This was addressed in Wasabi 2.0.6 with the "Safety Coinjoins" feature that auto remixes the outputs from your first coinjoin when you fund an empty wallet. In BTCPay Server's plugin, this functionality is enabled with the "Consider entry proximity" option.

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Not terribly, I just started getting used to Wasabi's RPC after using Bitcoin Core's RPC a bit.

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can only be done in btcpay or also in wasabi?

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I meant manually consolidating by paying your own address in a coinjoin :)

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It may be inconvenient, but you can send payments in coinjoins to vastly improve your privacy (or manually consolidate your UTXOs privately).

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anyway, just a thought

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my guess is introducing a plus 0.1 btc pool would increase liquidity a lot...

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not if the coinjoin in different pools like under and over 0.1 btc

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except if there are enough users for small and big utxos

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not just the person coinjoing but also all other participants in the rounds

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if you coinjoin a few bitcoin and you get 1000 utxos with around 5000 to 10000 sats most will recombine thus reducing their own and others anon sets...

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(the anonset being smaller)

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