Wasabi Wallet

08 Oct 2024 23:23

Also it was interesting to see how you calc the output anon score. But understandable since no way to decide that the client failed to create a changeless output set or just paid with it (if supported).

Wasabi Wallet

08 Oct 2024 23:21

I have only one issue so far: I can't easily switch between them one by one, since deselecting the last one will cause to select all.

Wasabi Wallet

08 Oct 2024 23:19

Ok, so it is this way since mid 2023. Still we could argue where the money is better. Nvm

Wasabi Wallet

08 Oct 2024 23:13

https://github.com/WalletWasabi/WalletWasabi/pull/10884

Wasabi Wallet

08 Oct 2024 23:10

This is simply not true. This amount NEVER went to the miners in any coordinator at any time, including the zkSNACKs times.

Wasabi Wallet

08 Oct 2024 23:06

This also depends on the user base, if there wouldn't be more user in an hour, no point waiting for that.

Wasabi Wallet

08 Oct 2024 23:05

At the time it was bad for users but not malicious as this amount would go to the miner fee for most lifetime of this coordinator

Wasabi Wallet

08 Oct 2024 23:03

The original Wasabi had 10 minute
rounds. Was that fast?

Wasabi Wallet

08 Oct 2024 23:02

Because the problem with input count is that coordinators can have stupidingly fast rounds to increase this metric... This would also have a bad impact on cost of privacy because would artificcially increase the leftovers

Wasabi Wallet

08 Oct 2024 22:56

The left behind depends on the COUNT of the inputs and not on the AMOUNT of the inputs. More precisely it depends on the number of the participants. Since the average input amount is way bigger this is quite understandable, but I guess you knew this already very well.

Wasabi Wallet

08 Oct 2024 15:55

This is not entirely true as Wasabi tries to make changeless coinjoin and will leave some amount behind above the mining fee.

Wasabi Wallet

08 Oct 2024 11:17

Thanks! Ah okay, so this does not depend on the amount you put in.

Wasabi Wallet

08 Oct 2024 11:04

Thanks again!

Okay lets say 5 inputs + 5 ouputs and the average fee rate of coordinators right now. How would that look?

I just need some estimates:

0.0002 ->

0.0006 ->

0.0011 ->

Wasabi Wallet

08 Oct 2024 10:49

Yes using Wasabi you will only pay mining fees for coinjoin. How much that is exactly depends on several things, like the fee rate the coordinator sets and the amount of in and outputs you have.
Maybe use this tool to get an estimate https://bitcoinops.org/en/tools/calc-size/

Wasabi Wallet

08 Oct 2024 00:35

Using a VPN shouldn't be necessary since Wasabi already does all its communication over Tor. I'm not sure if that's the bottleneck, but I could see a slow connection allowing really long download times in order to successfully download a block. If the block download fails, then it wastes this time without making "real" progress.

As long as the status bubble in the bottom right corner of your client says you are connected, then you can leave it running and it should eventually sync.

Wasabi Wallet

08 Oct 2024 23:22

Jan 24* But yes it's better that way, you can see my ACK in the PR. Still it introduces risks and some trust

Wasabi Wallet

08 Oct 2024 23:19

Actually VERY cool! 😁

Wasabi Wallet

08 Oct 2024 23:13

BTW I was really looking forward on your critics of the LiquiSabi UI, I built some features thinking specifically of your use case

Wasabi Wallet

08 Oct 2024 23:12

Come on I'm teasing you. I;m sure you know that what I am saying is fundamentally correct

Wasabi Wallet

08 Oct 2024 23:08

It's astonishing that even correcting a small mistake by Marnix was used to attack us by you with false accusations.

Wasabi Wallet

08 Oct 2024 23:05

Now that it goes to the coordinator, it can be considered like an exploit. At least it is definitely an attack vector

Wasabi Wallet

08 Oct 2024 23:04

You are talking about zkSNACKs, but yeah it was what I would qualify stupidly fast

Wasabi Wallet

08 Oct 2024 23:02

This is not entirely true either since if you mix 100x bigger coins, you will need 100x bigger fresh coins.

Wasabi Wallet

08 Oct 2024 23:00

I think the most interesting metric to analyze it is using the amount of Fresh BTCs, because it gives a better overview of the actual cost of privacy. It can be understood this way -> fresh bitcoins enters into the cj pool, they will mix until being private, then we can extrapolate the price of privacy for a given coordinator with 3 metrics:
- Amount of leftovers these fresh inputs paid
- Amount of Mining Fee these fresh inputs paid
- Amount of Coordinator Fee these fresh inputs paid

Wasabi Wallet

08 Oct 2024 22:50

Interestingly enough, this amount left behind is 0.0016% of the total input amount for coordinators compatible with Wasabi Wallet, and 0.04% for the public coordinator not compatible with Wasabi Wallet, a whopping 25 times more. Do you know what is causing this?

Wasabi Wallet

08 Oct 2024 11:31

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Wasabi Wallet

08 Oct 2024 11:15

5 in and 5 outputs at 3 sat/vB will be around 1 dollar in BTC in fees.
Note that Wasabi does not auto start coinjoin below 0.01 BTC. As mining fees can be significant to the amount, like the amounts you're mentioning

Wasabi Wallet

08 Oct 2024 11:00

How many depends and varies. The client selects between 1 and 10 inputs and between 1 and 10 outputs per round.

Wasabi Wallet

08 Oct 2024 02:21

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Wasabi Wallet

08 Oct 2024 00:32

maybe its due to a bad connection