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The highest level government agencies could potentially exploit backdoors at the hardware level, this sort of threat model is hard to guarantee defence against.

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Thanks for elaborating, im mostly aware of that. im not super picky on the privacy just the idea of it. if im bringing more btc to coinjoin and spending all those fees on tx's, i also have in mind that id rather consolidate some when mining fees are somewhat low, and not have 50 utxos for each wallet..

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Consolidating all of your wallet into a single payment is the weakest way to spend your coins. I wouldn't recommend doing that unless you remix a couple extra times for a good anon score.

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It's best to only use Private coins with green colour

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is there also a way to hoose which utxo's that are less safe to be coinjoined more?

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You can open the transaction details of any coinjoin and it will show the inputs consumed and the outputs created. Normally it's around 5-6 inputs and outputs per round.

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im seeing very different sizes of coin probably after coinjoin

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You can see your UTXOs if you have upgraded to Wasabi v2.3.0 or higher.

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❗️NEVER share your 12 word recovery seed with anyone, scammers who are pretending to be admins DM you❗️

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There's a "change avoidance" tool built into the transaction preview screen that you can see by hovering your mouse over the green shield icon before sending. This calculates recommendations based on the UTXOs in your wallets that would avoid creating a change output.

For differences of ~0.00005000 or less, you should use the avoid change option, as it will save you more fees overall.

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I restarted both our Node and our Backend, it can have improved some stuff

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Testnet3 is too broken. In fact we are switching to Testnet4

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Your wallet is not synchronized

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Both wallets re-synced by setting heights to 0 and starting the client again. After re-sync same btc amount reflected on wallets (no change from before re-sync). Tried coinjoin again, now both wallets report the Insufficient funds error. Logs:

2024-12-20 11:03:53.417 [3] INFO CoinJoinClient.CreateRegisterAndConfirmCoinsAsync (485) Round (b569aafb639caf71ae4a6f6737f83eed9f9d8e153a7eb0a48811ae4f1e2aae14): f6bd4fbe52a249cab95c8fa22c3dbec64be6f87053cfd5c873266a39a3aff851-0 is spent according to the backend. The wallet is not fully synchronized or corrupted.
2024-12-20 11:03:54.402 [14] INFO CoinJoinClient.CreateRegisterAndConfirmCoinsAsync (485) Round (b569aafb639caf71ae4a6f6737f83eed9f9d8e153a7eb0a48811ae4f1e2aae14): 558a9bd7ca2ce2d9ad61b58f909e0759233ebcf088b9fa48c92732cd48f172aa-2 is spent according to the backend. The wallet is not fully synchronized or corrupted.
2024-12-20 11:06:12.018 [17] INFO CoinJoinClient.CreateRegisterAndConfirmCoinsAsync (485) Round (b569aafb639caf71ae4a6f6737f83eed9f9d8e153a7eb0a48811ae4f1e2aae14): 6d43b957f026f509f3310cfe41d1fafe7d3cb4250790f71c75daab1f98e0954b-20 is spent according to the backend. The wallet is not fully synchronized or corrupted.
2024-12-20 11:07:13.738 [17] INFO CoinJoinClient.CreateRegisterAndConfirmCoinsAsync (485) Round (b569aafb639caf71ae4a6f6737f83eed9f9d8e153a7eb0a48811ae4f1e2aae14): 2bde5ab27fb6502fdaa7bdca775819371a188e4b08fa05d8fd218393d65b3169-1 is spent according to the backend. The wallet is not fully synchronized or corrupted.

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There should be something telling you why the wallet did not participate in any rounds. Are you using a coordinator with liquidity?
Is your musicbox working? https://docs.wasabiwallet.io/using-wasabi/CoinJoin.html#music-box

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can fbi track any btc in or out of my wallet

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Consolidation in this case reveals that you have X amount of Bitcoin, which would be even worse with only one UTXO, as you need to reveal all your funds, not just enough.

It also reveals which rounds you participated in, which can have implications on privacy. It is why it is better to consolidate really private coins only, that have participated into several rounds consecutively, or to use payment in coinjoin (WIP)

However, 1 UTXO hides better what the change is, but the change will be bigger. That is because if you pay with several UTXOs it is easier to know what output is the change as observers assume that you included an UTXO only because you needed it to reach the payment amount.

Finally, the bigger deanonimization risk using any privacy enhancing technique is amount matching. Say that you have 12.34567890 BTC. You coinjoin a lot. 1 week after, you send all your wallet, 12.34500000 BTC (you lost some fees), to the same address. Those amounts are so close together that an outside observer won't have a hard time assuming that they both belong to the same entity.

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He is not talking about reusing addresses

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Sending to reused addresses is always bad for privacy.

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in the end, sending all those utxo's to the same adress will make everything less private, no?

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now when the wallet does coinjoin each time, is it sepereate for each utxo?

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Ah yes, maybe I misunderstood. The 'Wallet Coins' and 'Exclude coins' screens show all your UTXOs even when you aren't making a payment.

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i understand, but this is only while sending, choosing if to reduce or increase.. i cannot see the actual UTXO's like in sparrow?

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For the absolute highest possible privacy when spending, you can use the 'payincoinjoin' RPC feature for small or medium sized payments - https://docs.wasabiwallet.io/using-wasabi/RPC.html#payincoinjoin

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i dont understand how i should manage utxo and those that are private after several coinjoins, and different ones like change, or other funds i recieved while coinjoining previous ones.. is there any in depth explenation?

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If you received your coins between certain heights it's possible that your wallet is not detecting them

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Wasabi claims wallets are fully synced though so nothing I can do about it as far as I can see. Already trimmed heights to 0 to re-sync, no change 🤦‍♂️

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yea the main kurwa one, and music box showing changing phases too

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fantastic, trying that now 👍

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Yes it should. It's a sync "error". Check the resync

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