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🌞BRES & ELATHA ARE BOTH SURYA🌞
The hot tempered and cruel half-fomorian, half-Tuatha de Danann king Bres has long been misunderstood. Indeed, his multidimensional nature and his special divine role within the overall theology has been repeatedly defamed by a shallow grasp of the material. The Sun God is both cruel and life giving, but he must be overcome for the sovereign soul to reach perfection.
⁃ First, The Sun God incarnation of the Mahabharata, Karna, is one of the two main warriors of the opposition against the Pandavas, the incarnations of the main gods of society; so if parallels from the Mahabharata hold with Irish mythology, as we have seen repeatedly to be the case, we should actually EXPECT the Sun God to be one of the primary opponents of the main gods. Another two cases of this feature of archaic Indo European theology is the handsome archer Paris from the Iliad, and the hunter Gronw “The Radiant” of Welsh mythology, both of whom are forms the same deity as Bres, the handsome former ally, often an archer, who becomes one of the chief antagonists, the sun being that which must be overcome by the divine sovereign in order to achieve true victory and immortality.
⁃ Once we understand that Nuada is Varuna and Lugh is Mitra, we can see that their reigns as kings of the Tuatha de Danann should fall during the first and last halves of the yearly cycle respectively, with the Mitraic god generally having his festival in Autumn as Dumezil explains, and with Lugh indeed having his festival, Lughnasadh, at the point which marks the beginning of autumn. Thus if Nuada’s reign is during the beginning half of the yearly cycle, and Lugh’s is connected with autumn, then Bres, who rules between them must rule during the heat of the summer specifically. This middle point of the cycle is analogous to both the peak of summer and the noon of the day, when the sun is highest in the sky.
⁃ Bres begins as an ally of the main gods and then his rule becomes cruel an inhospitable, mirroring the progress of the sun from gentle sunrise to harsh midday, or midsummer, sun.
⁃ When Bres is satirized by the poet Coirpre at the height of his reign, it is said that “naught but decay was on him from that hour”. This again can be read as describing the decline of the sun’s power as it falls from its peak in the sky, or from its maximum during the middle of summer.
⁃ The conception of the incarnation of Surya, Karna, found in the Srimad-Devi Bhagavatam, Book 2, Chapter 6 and the conception of Bres found in the Cath Maige Tuired match point for point:
1.The Sun god appears suddenly to the woman in her room. In the Indian case this is explicitly stated. In the Irish case, the fact that this is the Sun god is only alluded to by the description of his gold circlets, clothes, hair, and jewelry.
2.The woman is possibly an earth goddess. Kunti’s original name Pṛthā is the feminine form of pṛtha, closely related to Pṛthvī, goddess of Earth. Eriu, as indicated by her name, is the embodiment of the land of Ireland.
3.The woman is a virgin. This is stated outright in the Indian case. In the Irish passage, Ériu comments that “the young men of the Túatha Dé Danann have been entreating me in vain,” implying that she had been a virgin as well.
4.She denies him with her first words. The first thing Kunti says is: “I am highly pleased to-day seeing Thy form; now go back to Thy sphere.” The first thing Ériu says is: “I certainly have not made a tryst with you.”
5.He is pushy, and asks specifically for “intercourse” or “copulation.” Due to how often sexual allusions become softened or covered up, especially in Indian mythology, it cannot be overemphasized how significant it is that both accounts use equivalent unadorned terms for the sexual act at this very point. Surya says, “you have made me your subservient so take me for intercourse.
Efnysien, or The Cosmic Intellect
Sing, O Muse, of Branwen fair,
The Earth herself, with locks of gold,
And of Matholwch, Sky so rare,
Whose embrace the Earth did hold.
In the realm of the Otherworld,
Where time and space do not exist,
Their marriage was a banner unfurled,
A union so divine and blessed.
But jealousy and rage did grow
Within the heart of Efnysien,
Who sought to break them asunder, and so
Bring about a new creation.
With cunning and deceitful art,
He played a deadly game of wiles,
Forcing Branwen's life to depart,
And bringing war, destruction, and trials.
But in the end, Efnysien's heart
Was broken by his own act of hate,
And in the cauldron's fiery start,
He transcended his passions' fate.
A bridge he made, a path to the divine,
A light for those who seek to see,
And though he fell, he did enshrine
A way to reach true liberty.
In times of yore, he was Efnysien,
Whose actions seemed to bring forth pain,
But in truth, he was the one,
Whose course transcended mortal bane.
Through sacrifice his heart did burst,
And in the cauldron's fiery flame,
His etheric mind, no longer cursed,
Was reborn as Gwyn, with eternal fame.
Thus, Gwyn ap Nudd took up his throne
And claimed his rightful place alone,
The one who sees beyond the veil
Of mortal sight, who will not fail.
His Intellect is vast and wide,
A cosmic force that cannot hide,
And those who seek to gain his grace
Shall know the secrets of time and space.
So let us sing of Branwen fair,
And Matholwch, the Sky so high,
And of Efnysien, whose heart did tear,
To bring us closer to the Sky.
And also sing of Gwyn ap Nudd,
The cosmic Intellect, king of all,
And let his wisdom, like a flood,
Into our hearts and souls install.
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According to Vedic beliefs, one inherits three debts with birth.
The first is repaid to the gods with sacrifices.
The second is repaid to the Rishis (sages) through religious study.
The third is repaid to the forefathers by having children of your own.
I believe the same applies to Germanic pagans, of course. When we study the Eddas we are repaying our debt not merely to Snorri but to all the ancient goðar who passed on the sacred knowledge so that it could be written down by Christians and then rediscovered at a time decreed by Wyrd, for the pioneers of the spiritual revolution.
Some people focus too much on one, but a man must repay all three.
This then shows that even though Fionn Mac Cumhaill is not said to be one-eyed, the connection of the one-eye motif to the Rudraic types is retained in Celtic myth as it is in Norse myth.
⁃ A variant of Fionn named Eber Finn has the same function in the Irish creation myth that Odin and Rudra have in their respective creation myths. As Odin and his brothers divide the unity of Earth and Sky known as Ymir in the Norse creation myth, and Rudra-Agni divides the union of Sky and Sky’s own female aspect in the primordial moment of Rig Veda 10.61, Eber Finn and his brothers also break up the marriage of Earth and Sky, here called Eriu (meaning Ireland, this being the Irish Mother Earth) and Mac Greine (who is Sky) in the Irish creation myth. In this tradition, the act of division is depicted as a brief war and the union of Sky and Earth is described as a marriage, but the meaning of the underlying myth remains the same, as the genealogy of Eber Finn confirms.
⁃ Thanks to the well-preserved albeit coded Irish creation myth, we can verify that Eber Finn has the very same paternal lineage as Rudra does in Vedic myth.
⁃ His father is the god of Desire (in Irish this is Galam, meaning “Ardor”, in Vedic this is Kama), his grandfather is the “Prajapati” type god, who in Vedic myth is the World Tree god (this is Irish Bile, bile being the word for sacred trees in ancient Gaelic culture) and his great-grandfather is the Brahman or the Absolute itself (this is the Irish Breoghan, lord of the great tower of Brigantia).
The preciseness and detailed correspondence of this genealogy, if it is understood, confirms to a degree complete certainty that Fionn is no other than the Irish Rudra, very much the same god in nearly every quality and every myth.
The Celtic Rudra type is a god of multiplicity, he may appear under multiple names, and so we must know the myths in order to track his forms. For example, the whole band of Fianna are offshoots, fragments, spiritual children of the Rudra type, and share his qualities in different ways. In Welsh myth we have the clear parallel with Gwyn ap Nudd. But we also have Taliesin, who is born as Gwion, a variant of the name Gwyn, and whose myth of sudden enlightenment via a magical meal and a burned finger strikingly parallels that of Fionn. There is the aforementioned Fintan, and there is the son of Fionn, Oisin. We also have the giants Balor in Gaelic myth and Ysbaddaden in Welsh, who at first seem only like demonic fiends but who, when we trace their myths, turn out to be offshoots of the destructive aspect of the rudra type, much like Goll of the Fianna who there is evidence to show may have been a variant of Balor. Finally we have Efnysien of Welsh myth and his brother Nisien. This pairing is the clearest example in all of European mythology of a Rudra-Siva pairing, the destructive and the peace-bringing, auspicious sides of this god presented as a clear duality. This pair may require an entire post to themselves in the future, but their very existence is able to prove that the Rudra-Siva duality is no later development, but goes back to the time of the Proto-Indo-Europeans, and was a core element of their theology.
To learn more about Fionn and the Celtic Rudras, check out the articles below.
Fionn, Taliesin, Balor, and the Celtic Rudras
https://taliesinsmap.blogspot.com/2021/05/fionn-taliesin-and-celtic-rudras.html?m=1
The Irish Parallel of Odinn on the Windy Tree: The Trial of Fionn at Slieve Cuilinn
https://taliesinsmap.blogspot.com/2021/07/the-irish-parallel-of-oinn-on-windy.html?m=1
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New video version on the above post is out.
Midir = Chyavana.
Chyavana = Soma.
Thus Midir is Soma, the lunar god of the sacred liquid.
Midir is Soma (Celtic Mythology Decoded)
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XNe7rD8Z4V8
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🌜🍷MIDIR IS SOMA🍷🌛
The myth of the Irish god Midir resembles the Vedic legend of a figure named Chyavana so closely that they must come from a shared origin. By comparison of these stories to the Vedic hymns and to gods of other pantheons such as Dionysus and Njordr, the identity of Chyavana can be settled: he is an incarnation of the god of lunar sacred liquid, Soma, whose marriage myth is told in Rig Veda 10.85, and by a transitive deduction, the Irish Midir also reveals himself as a form of this same lunar “Soma” god.
The Irish case, as found in The Wooing of Etain is as follows:
- Midir has his eye poked out by a sprig of hazel thrown by a group of playing youths.
He demands a recompense for this injury: the beautiful princess Etain. She is given to him, and they marry.
A second wooer now intervenes and temporarily takes Etain away, but Midir regains her and then forces the second wooer to participate in a magical “choosing test” in which Etain is transformed into a swan and placed among other swan maidens (near water). The wooer chooses the wrong swan maiden, and so Midir and Etain remain together.
In the same story, Midir helps Aengus to retake the sacred burial mound that is his inheritance from the chief god Nuada. They militarily threaten then trick Nuada, and then Aengus wins the burial mound. In another tale Aengus is said to partake of the food and drink of immortality.
The Vedic tale is as follows:
- The eye of Chyavana (incarnation of Soma) is poked out by a clod of dirt thrown by playing youths.
In recompense, the king gives his daughter Sukanya (incarnation of the goddess Surya) to Chyavana to wed.
After meddling in their marriage by trying to woo the princess, the Asvins administer the magical herbal paste that renews youth to the aged Chyavana.
Chyavana and the princess undergo a “choosing” test connected to water in which the princess must pick Chyavana out in his newly youthful form while he stands next to the Asvins. She chooses correctly and they live happily.
To aid the wooers in return, Chyavana goes with them to confront the king of the gods, Indra, to help them gain their rightful place in the Soma sacrifice. Chyavana magically paralyzes Indra and he finally submits, allowing them to take their rightful place among the higher gods and to receive the soma sacrifice, the drink of immortality.
This “Chyavana and Sukanya” are demonstrably incarnations of Soma and the sun princess goddess Surya: In Rig Veda 10.85, Soma and the daughter of the sun, named Surya, get married. The Asvins are rival wooers of Soma but in the end they join the marriage party, and then become priests of the sacrifice. This is the same myth as the Chyavana myth, and is proof that Chyavana is an incarnation of none other than Soma. Sukanya is great-granddaughter of the sun god Surya, such direct descent being a common indicator of incarnation. The direct parallel of Chyavana and Sukanya with the deities Midir and Etain, Dionysus and Ariadne, and Njordr and Skadi confirms their identities as Soma and the sun princess Surya (see for example the birth myth of Chyavana and its extreme similarity to the birth myth of Dionysus).
This basic myth structure appears in the Germanic myth of Njordr and Skadi, the Welsh myth of Arawn and his wife, and the Greek myth of Dionysus and Ariadne. This is what I have called the Great Lunar Cycle, which centers on the marriage of the Soma God and his Sun Princess wife, and then subsequently tells of the marriage of the Gandharva, Agni, and the Asvins to sun princesses of their own. This sequence of marriages, Soma, Gandharva, Agni, and the Asvins, all to sunbeam princesses, different forms of the goddess Surya, is a mythic enactment of the Indo European marriage ceremony as we have it recorded in RV 10.85 and the Grihya Sutra of Apastamba.
The closeness of this mythic correspondence even down to uncanny details makes it very clear that the Irish god Midir is in the mythic position of the god of lunar liquid, Soma. The rest of Midir’s characteristics confirm this identity.
Ullr, Bres, and the Winter Solstice
Ullr (“shining glory”) is also the male Germanic god of the Sun, matching the Irish Bres and Welsh Gronw Pebr, Greek Helios, Vedic Surya.
The archery and skiing or snowshoeing combination found in the myths of Ullr and Skadi was clearly seen by the ancient Germanics as emblematic of the activities of sun gods, since Skadi, the “shining bride of the gods,” is likewise a type of sun goddess (a sun princess of sorts (see: Etain, Ariadne, Sukanya)).
The intense connection of Ullr to rings is another explicit solar symbolism, also seen in the myth of Bres (a ring from his father given to him at birth) and the incarnation of Surya, Karna (earrings from his father given to him at birth).
The myth of Bres’ Sun God father Elatha conceiving his own reincarnation, Bres, is then obviously the myth connected to the winter solstice: The Elder Sun of the old year conceives his own reincarnation, the Sun God of the new year. As the dark of the cycle reaches its peak, the new sun god is fathered by the old.
The Vedic parallel, Karna, is also sent down a river in a basket after his birth as the son and re-incarnation of the Sun God Surya.
This has a notable similarity to the Danish legend of Scyld Scefing, who is also floated across the waters in a boat upon his birth. Thus the legend of Scyld could also have its roots in this same Sun God mythos.
Happy belated Winter Solstice, Hail Ullr, and Hail Bres, the newly born God of the Sun!
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Read more about the sun gods Ullr, Bres, and Surya
here: https://taliesinsmap.blogspot.com/2020/05/ullr-and-bres.html?m=1
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Hail Breoghan of the Tower,
the wrathful, the gentle, the good,
he who is strength, he who is noble, he who is fame, he who is the beautiful,
the food, the wood, and the ember of the universe,
who contains both the dark waters and the sacred tree,
the warrior, the builder,
the shining-white,
without falsehood,
of the combats,
of the valorous deeds,
of the shouts,
the ever-victorious.
Learn about Breoghan, the Gaelic “Brahman.”
https://telegra.ph/The-Breoghan-Royal-Flush-The-IrishScottish-Absolute-11-29
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New video up summarizing the case of Lugh/Lleu. Lugh is the Lawful Sovereign, the Celtic equivalent of Vedic Mitra, god of daylit sky, justice, and the contract.
Lugh is Mitra (Celtic Mythology Decoded)
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ssNuA_zj-Tc
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There is no question that the myths provide evidence of European pagans and ancient Vedics conceptualizing the relationship between Chaos and Order, Formlessness and Form, the Nonexistent and the Existent, from the earliest times. The waters or other chaotic element is always juxtaposed with the first divine being who arises from them in some paradoxical way: chaos produces order, a center. But as the Rig Veda says of this state of affairs, “the sages searching in their hearts saw the kinship of the Nonexistent [the waters] and the Existent [that which has a center].” Each one of these two things is within the other, chaos is in order and vice versa, and so the thing that makes their interpenetration at all possible can only be gestured at as an Ineffable foundation, a featureless pillar beyond numerical unity or conceptual understanding.
How then should that “Great Pillar” be understood? If we push very hard on the idea (which the Platonists agreed with) that the Ineffable origin is not a thing at all, does a yawning “gap” become a better image for it than a pillar? Is there a difference between these two? Does one precede the other, or is one at the center of the other? Where is Irminsul in relation to Ginnungagap? In Celtic and Vedic myth we see a Pillar/Tower, where in Greek and Germanic myth there is something more abyssal in the same place, but these may be the same incomprehensible axis seen from different angles.
I believe there is room for disagreements on these questions as there are disagreements within Platonism and between the Vedic rishis themselves, or as there is among the archaic metaphysical Greek poets who came long before Plato. How Being and Nonbeing should be conceptualized is the core of the problem, as Heidegger rightly showed, but Plato himself was aware of this too. Both were commenting on the same structure: different conceptions lead to different outcomes, but the core structure is not vastly different.
What we can’t do is sidestep the question of how the waters of chaos relate to the first being who arises from them, of what underpins these and allows them to interpenetrate, what makes possible the relationship of non-center and center, because the duality of waters of chaos and first being is at the foundation of our myths.
If we sidestep these questions we are doing what our ancestors did not do, for these questions form the very structure of the myths they left us. From Breogan’s Tower the Dark Waters (Muirthemne) and the World Tree god (Bile) are born as siblings, side by side. If a person says the true answer is to avoid conceptions altogether, then they are merely proclaiming themselves at the level of the Absolute already, prior to the arising of any conceptual dualities — whether they are really there or not.
Even Nietzsche did not go around this problem: for him the cosmos was a Will to Power amid Chaos, neither one being completely reducible to the other.
How is that fundamentally different from the opposition of an ineffable centering principle (Brahman/Skambha) polarizing Order amid Chaos? The answer is that it is not different in structure, it is only one way of thinking about the same unavoidable set of oppositions, which are likewise framed in his opposition of the Apollonian (Ordering/Individuating Principle) and Dionysian (Substrate of Potent Chaos).
There is no question then that Nietzsche was thinking in terms of metaphysical first principles of his own, they were simply more resiliently embedded in myth than most philosophical concepts are. His fundamental observation regarding both pre-Platonic and Platonic philosophy is that it demythologizes. The same resilient embedding of metaphysical principles within myth holds true for the mythic poets of our archaic traditions.
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- Mitra is the only Vedic god described by the verb yātayati – “to join, to unite, to cause to fight, to cause to be returned, to requite, to reward or punish,” from yāt – “to keep peace, to marshal, to animate, to impel men to exertion.” Of the Mitra-type incarnation Menelaus it is said: “And himself he moved among them, confident in his zeal, urging his men to battle; and above all others was his heart fain to get him requital for his strivings and groanings for Helen’s sake” (Homer, Iliad, 2.585-90). Lugh likewise is the one depicted “urging” his men to fight, in nearly the same words: “Lug was urging the men of Ireland to fight the battle fiercely” (Cath Maige Tuired, 129).
- Lugh is also protected by his men in the early part of the battle, just as Yudhishtira, the incarnation of Mitra is treated in the Kurukshetra War.
- Lugh is said to be the originator of assemblies. Iranic Mithra is called the “chief of assemblies among chiefs of assemblies.” Also, “According to the dindsenchas it was at a great peace-making assembly held there that the death of Lug was encompassed by the three grandsons of the Dagda” (Rees and Rees, 158), while Menelaus’ wounding (symbolic death) happens during the great peace treaty of the war.
- Lugh’s fiery spear may be a sort of lightning weapon, while Iranic Mithra also wields the lightning weapon, the vazra, and Roman Dius Fidius has the similar fulmen. A lightning weapon is by no means the sole property of “the thunderer” in IE myth, as several other Vedic instances show (Rudra, Varuna, etc.).
- The mythic framework of Lugh/Lleu also matches the framework of the Roman Mithraic mysteries: the sovereign of the daylit sky overcoming the rival sun god to become the victoriously perfected solar sovereign (=Sol Invictus).
Lugh is easily confused with many other god types due to the fact that he is the many-skilled god, but this “overlapping” quality is actually fundamental Mitraic theology: the entire divine cycle flows into the Mitraic god, he is the culmination, the All-God who rules the “second half,” the “day.” In the case of the equally late-coming and lightning-wielding Mitraic god Zeus, he vividly enacts this theology by literally swallowing his predecessors to absorb their powers. When the “Mitra” and “Varuna” types are properly understood, it is difficult to see how Lugh’s powerful Mitraic character could be missed any longer.
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👑Lugh = Mitra👑
The strongest evidence that the Celtic Lugh/Lleu is = to Vedic Mitra comes from an understanding of the deep structures of IE myth.
- As shown previously, Lleu is in the same structural position as Mitra in the causal descent from the sunrise god Savitar. In Vedic myth, this descent is Savitar > Pushan > Mitra. In Welsh, it is Math > Gwydion > Lleu. This alignment already implies Lleu to be Mitra, the god of morning sky whose birth follows as an effect just after the myth of the sunrise.
- Based on Indo-Iranic evidence, Georges Dumezil explains how the Varunian and Mitraic gods are paired sovereigns. In this pairing, the Varunian god is sovereign of the beginning of the year or the cycle, of the sky during night, this being the time of beginning analogized to the winter, and he is also the lord of waters. The Mitraic god is the sovereign of the second half of the year or cycle, the daytime of the cycle, which culminates with autumn, when he brings stability via final victory. Thus he is god of morning and the daylit sky, which follows after night. Because he only rules the day, the second half of the cycle, this makes him the late-arriving sovereign, as we see with Lugh. Crucially, he is not present from the beginning, but instead all powers culminate in him, making him the all-skilled final ruler.
- This Varuna-Mitra pairing is seen in Nuada and Lugh, the kings of the Tuatha de Danann. Nuada is the water-associated (see Nodens) king of the TDD upon their arrival, and leads them in the First Battle of Moytura. Thus he is sovereign of the beginning of the cycle. Bres rules in an interstitial period after Nuada, but is deposed (This period is summer, Bres being the Sun God). Lugh then is the late-arriving sovereign who leads the TDD in the Second Battle of Moytura, overcomes Bres, takes over the kingship, and achieves final victory and peace. The battle is said to occur on Samhain, a date which marks the end of the year and the cycle generally. Lugh’s festival is Lughnasadh, the time of his ascension to the throne and defeat of Crom Cruach. This early August festival marks the end of summer and the beginning of autumn, perfectly fitting for a Mitraic god.
- In the Welsh version, The House of Don culminates in Lleu, and his victory over the sun god Gronw is the final event of the 4 Branches of the Mabinogi. The Mitraic god or an incarnation of this god always is the one who throws his spear to defeat the final opponent and end the great war: Lugh at Balor, Lleu at Gronw, Menelaus at Deiphobus, Yudhishtira at Shalya.
In this image we see the climax of the Welsh Creation Myth. Bran, on the right, becomes a talking severed head and lord of an island of the dead after the battle, and he is a giant. He is = Mimir; Donn; Yama.
The warriors on the left are the army of Matholwch, who is Father Sky (Ouranos; the head of Ymir; Dyaus Pitar). Matholwch’s wife Branwen (Mother Earth) has been separated from Matholwch by the forces of Bran and Efnysien. Earth and Sky have been split, which is the primary meaning of the war.
The sneaking figure on the left is Efnysien (the Gaelic Eber Finn). Outwardly he seems mad and destructive, but in reality he is merely the god of strife, frenzy, and intellect: he is the primordial form of the Welsh Odin, Fionn, Cronus, Rudra. Along with Bran (Mimir) he is accompanied by his siblings Nisien and Manawydan (Hoenir and Lodurr; Shiva and Agni). His action causes the war that divides the marriage of Earth and Sky, and his self-sacrifice to destroy the overpowered cauldron of rebirth and to burst his own heart, which he is about to enact here, in the end creates balance and a path to the divine within the newly created world (as with the self-castration of Shiva or the castration of Cronus).
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Many of the true answers, if we really seek them, are counter-intuitive.
Luckily, in mythology a problem is only complex at first, until it is seen as a totality, and then it is simple.
My method has always been to track these god types to their roots in an original shared body of myths. This prioritization of mythic structure over surface resemblance is reflected in the chart below, which will not be fully understood without having read my evidence (see my blog and book). Although such mythic structure is more difficult to communicate than is resemblance, its pursuit it is the only path leading to truth in the matter.
My goal has been to help those who are lost in this maze. But my help comes with a challenge: a challenge to re-think everything you thought you knew about Indo-European mytho-theology, from the accepted commonplaces all the way up to the pinnacle of the Great Pillar.
- O’Gravy
Unfortunately for us today, the seductive error of the overly-simple equation given above has not yet been wholly vanquished, and continues to influence new forms of confusion. Many linguists and philologists in the century and a half since have pointed to the holes in equating these names — closely related they may be, but of the same signification in every case they certainly are not. Tyr comes from a vṛddhi derivation of an offshoot from the shared root between them, and means “god,” while Dyaus means “heaven,” etc. etc.
All of this, however, has only concealed the larger problem: almost no one knows the actual mythos of the archaic Vedic Dyaus Pitar. Zeus is known, but whether his mythos is the same as that of Dyaus cannot be claimed when one is ignorant of Dyaus’ own mythos.
Ask yourself what you know of Dyaus of the Vedas. He is the Heavens embodied? He is paired with Prithvi, Earth, in a sacred union? He is asked to give rain? He is somewhat in the background relative to other gods?
Already some question marks are raised by these details, but this common superficial understanding of Dyaus is not at all enough to build on if one wants to claim he is the match of Zeus or anyone else. There is hardly anything here to go off of.
Reading the Rig Veda thoroughly is a beginning, but to understand Dyaus one also has to look to the epics, to Bhishma of the Mahabharata and Sarpedon of the Iliad, the heroic incarnations in whom archaic myths of Father Heaven have been preserved. The scholar Nick Allen has laid out what these figures can tell us of the archaic Father Heaven in his essay “Dyaus and Bhisma, Zeus and Sarpedon,” and I have filled in more of the gaps in the section of my “Heroes of the Iliad” series on Sarpedon.
Even these researches do not tell us the most important thing, however: the main myth of Dyaus. Do you know the main myth of Dyaus? We ought to know this if we are going around saying he is Zeus. Zeus we know.
Read Rig Veda 10.61.5 and 1.71.5 and you will discover the frequently ignored and poorly-understood central myth of Dyaus Pitar, and doing so you will be ahead of everyone else who chooses to speak on the subject.
What do we find in this myth?
Father Heaven (Dyaus) raping his own daughter, then being violently separated from her by an arrow shot from “the archer,” who is implied to be the terrible archer whose name can hardly be spoken, Rudra in his Rudra-Agni form. The sexual union was only half way completed and the semen of Dyaus spills onto the Earth, marking the sacred site of the primordial sacrifice. (See also The Presence of Siva by S. Kramrisch for a full analysis of the myth).
Given the cryptic and graphic nature of the accounts of this myth as found in these verses, it’s no wonder the average reader is unaware of it. The oft-relied upon Veda translator Griffith puts these verses into Latin rather than English to conceal their shocking nature from the unprepared .
Most people are not thinking about this issue with the full information, and it is showing in the complete lack of understanding of Dyaus.
What other myth of Dyaus is more central than this? What other full myth of his do you know? What myth could be more central than this? From this event the site of the primordial sacrifice is created and the semen that falls to Earth becomes the Fire Priests, the ancestors of humans. This is the very primordial moment, the scene of creation.
So, what is the main myth of Zeus? Is he ever divided violently from his daughter while in the middle of raping her, by any analogue of Rudra himself? Does his seed produce the ancestors of the humans? Is Zeus even mythically present in the primordial moment when he could do any of this? Of course he is not, being the late-born sovereign who completes the cycle.
However, what is the main myth of the god Ouranos? He is divided while in the act of raping his mother, who is the Earth, Gaia. Ouranos himself is the Sky, the Heavens, and he is in a union, an abusive one, though surely a sacred one, with Earth.
New video is out.
Bres and Elatha are the father and son Sun Gods of Irish myth.
The Sun God is the god that must be overcome by the Divine Sovereign (Lugh/Mitra) in order to achieve final victory and immortality.
This theology is found in the Vedas, the epic tradition, the cult of Mithras, and at the climax of both branches of Celtic mythology.
In this video I read and do an in-depth analysis of two crucial passages from Irish and Indian mythology.
The uncanny match between these texts is one of the most incredible things I’ve found during my research, and I read them out to people in full any chance I get.
𝐁𝐫𝐞𝐬 𝐀𝐍𝐃 𝐄𝐥𝐚𝐭𝐡𝐚 𝐚𝐫𝐞 𝐒𝐮𝐫𝐲𝐚, 𝐟𝐚𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐫 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐬𝐨𝐧 𝐒𝐮𝐧 𝐆𝐨𝐝𝐬 (𝐂𝐞𝐥𝐭𝐢𝐜 𝐌𝐲𝐭𝐡𝐨𝐥𝐨𝐠𝐲 𝐃𝐞𝐜𝐨𝐝𝐞𝐝)
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KkqJYuBd_jM
- O’Gravy, The Sun Riders
@solarcult
A description of a podcast reading of Branwen, daughter of Llyr, the Welsh creation story. It’s humorous to see, but why be a teller of tales if you can’t even get through 10% of a creation myth without stopping to apologize and hold the audience’s hand?
What really is of importance though is the small-minded misunderstanding of Efnysien and his actions that the podcaster displays. I’ve come to accept the misunderstanding of Efnysien (“what a real jerk!”) simply as an automatic part of how this coded and layered story is read by those unaware of its significance. However, I still hope that over time more people can come to understand the rich metaphysical meaning of each of the events of this tale.
This is a tale I love greatly and one I dwell on, and so, by feeding Chat GPT my interpretation, I had it write a poem based on the tale’s true meaning as Creation Myth.
Perhaps it could be useful for teaching a more accurate summary of what is going on with Efnysien (the Welsh Odin/Rudra/Cronus.)
New video is out.
Fionn mac Cumhaill = Rudra = Odin. Learn about the Celtic Rudra(s) below.
Fionn is Rudra, god of the “Koryos” and the Wild Hunt (Celtic Mythology Decoded)
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DiwbwiNVr_8
- O’Gravy, The Sun Riders
@solarcult
🐺FIONN IS RUDRA (The Koryos God) 🐺
Kris Kershaw, in her book on Odin and the Indo-European männerbund or “koryos” tradition, cites the suggestion of the scholar Stuart Piggott that Fionn Mac Cumhaill could be the Gaelic god matching the Vedic Rudra and Norse Odin.
It turns out this intuition was right.
⁃ Fionn is the god of the wandering warband and hunting party, called the Fianna.
⁃ The legendary band of Fionn reflected a real Fianna band in Gaelic society. They would spend summers living and hunting in the wilderness, and would return to the fortresses of lords and kings during the winter months, during which time they were also known to train their poetic knowledge. They had a policing and mercenary or bodyguard function, but also were known to be raiders at certain times. Caoilte, a member of Fionn’s Fianna, is known for a rampage during which he madly kills livestock, a common feature of the rudras in Vedic tradition. All of these things are in line with what we know of the männerbünde of other Indo-European societies. As Kershaw shows, the Rudra type god is the leader of this special hunting and warband, the Rudras, and Fionn likewise is leader of his band of Fianna.
⁃ Fionn thus is both a hunting and a war god, with his two hunting dogs always by his side, and with his wife taking the form of a deer and his son being named Oisin or “little deer”. The war god aspect of this Celtic god is emphasized much more clearly in Fionn’s Welsh counterpart, Gwyn ap Nudd, who in one poem is called “the hope of armies” and emphatically states “I come from battle and conflict”.
⁃ Fionn has the myth paralleling the Rudra-type god Odin when Odin famously hangs from the windy tree: the Irish version of this myth is called “The Hunt of Slieve Cuilinn”:
⁃ In this tale, Fionn 3 times swims the lake of the Cailleach, which turns all things white, a quality it shares with Urd’s well from the Norse myth, he is aged to an old man, drinks from a magical cup, and then fasts underneath a magical tree, finally gaining the power of prophecy thereby.
⁃ This myth also parallels the sacrifice of the rudra incarnation Ashwatthama of his own self to his higher Rudra-self in the Mahabharata, and it also parallels the myth of Apollo chasing the tree nymph Daphne and then receiving the power of prophecy from her leaves once she is frozen into tree form. The bow-wielding Apollo is another well-established Rudra-type god that we can then triangulate with Fionn and Odin.
⁃ After this myth, Fionn is shown to have the power of prophecy and magical insight in multiple tales.
⁃ Fionn’s Welsh linguistic and mythic cognate Gwyn is the leader of the Wild Hunt, like Odin, and is also known for his hounds who run among the clouds, as well as for the demons and fairies he is tasked with keeping contained in the Otherworld.
⁃ Fionn’s name means “The Knower,” “The Seer” or “The White” or “Blessed” and comes from one of the most important archaic root words connected to seership, Proto-Indo-European *weyd-, meaning “to see”. He is thus the Irish seer-god par excellence.
⁃ Fionn heals with water, as Rudra also is known to do.
⁃ Fionn is the one who drinks from the well of wisdom and tastes the Salmon of Knowledge, granting him all knowledge, much like well-known myths of Odin, and the role of Rudra as esoteric initiatior and god of consciousness, intellect and yogic enlightenment. Rudra is said to share a drink of some sort of illumination with the long haired ascetic in the Rig Veda hymn to the Kesin.
⁃ We have to remember that all of the mythic Fianna members are equivalent to rudras, with Fionn being their summation. Thus the Fianna member Goll Mac Morna, Goll meaning “one-eyed,” along with other Fianna members like Caoilte, demonstrate the more destructive side of the Gaelic Rudraic deity.
⁃ Goll is one-eyed, and another figure named Fintan, who shares the root of his name with Fionn and has all the world’s knowledge, is also one-eyed.
- Midir’s name comes from the Proto-Indo-European root *med-, meaning “to measure,” while the English and Germanic words for the moon come from PIE *meh1-, also meaning “to measure,” the moon being known as the measurer.
- Midir has magical cows and a magical cauldron, embodiments of the sacred liquid, which are stolen from him, just as his Welsh counterpart Arawn has a magical cauldron stolen from him.
- As three cranes guard Annwn, the Otherworld domain of which Arawn is lord, Midir also has three cranes which guard his sidhe mound fortress.
- As the parallel of Arawn, the Welsh lord of the Otherworld, Midir is also lord of the Otherworld. The lunar “Soma” god is king of the Otherworld because the domain do the moon god was the destination of the dead who had followed the lunar path in the Indo-European worldview, this being where the dead would be regenerated for reincarnation, aided by the inexhaustible regenerative power of the moon.
- Midir is described as carrying a silver shield, a possible lunar symbol.
- In one of his only physical descriptions, it is said of Midir that “He was fair at all times but on this night he was fairer”, a possible coded reference to a moon that has waxed to fullness.
- His demonstrated magical powers are to put to sleep and to disguise himself, powers consistent with a nocturnal-centric god.
- Midir has a five-pronged spear, likely a fishing or eeling spear, demonstrating another connection to the waters, over which the Soma god rules in his special capacity.
- Midir’s marriage to the sunbeam goddess Etain is thus the union of sunbeam and lunar waters. After this union, Etain goes through a triple transformation ending with her taking the form of a purple fly. This fly sheds liquid from her wings carrying the same curative and sustenance-giving properties as the soma drink in Vedic myth. Finally Etain in the form of this fly is swallowed in a goblet and reborn once again. In the Veda it is said that the goddess Surya, wife of the god Soma, purifies the soma drink. The transformation of Etain may then be the enactment of the purification of scared liquid after her sunbeam essence has united with the lunar liquid.
The Great Lunar Cycle is a massive pattern that explains the sequences of marriages of many gods in each branch and underlies the later mythos of the Holy Grail as its oldest substructure. All of its details cannot be described here, but the consistency of its pattern allows us to conclude with confidence that Midir, the measurer and mead king, keeper of the magical cows and cauldron, husband of the sunbeam goddess who sheds a life giving liquid, is the Dionysian “Soma” type god, the Mead god, and the true underlying identity of the Grail King.
I’ll note that one additional piece of evidence showing Chyavana to be an incarnation of Soma is that not only is he able to overcome the chief god, Indra, with his magic, but in doing so he creates a monster named Mada, meaning roughly “drunkenness” to help in the battle. The name Mada is linguistically connected to the word Mead, and the scholar Georges Dumezil suggests that the monster is a sort of embodiment of the soma drink itself, as Kvasir in the parallel Norse myth is an embodiment of the mead created by the gods immediately after their own internal war.
As such, Chyavana creating a monster that embodies the soma should strongly suggest that he is an incarnation of the god who controls this sacred drink, Soma himself.
If you’d like to read about the many other pieces of evidence showing overwhelmingly that Chyavana is Soma and that Midir, Arawn, Njordr and Dionysus are their Western counterparts, this can be found the longest section of my book, entitled “The Great Lunar Cycle.”
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Read the full article “The Great Lunar Cycle” here: https://taliesinsmap.blogspot.com/2020/07/the-great-lunar-cycle-horse-twins-and.html?m=1
- O’Gravy, The Sun Riders
@solarcult
The Runestone of Ullr, the Norse god of archery, built upon the crest of a precarious cliff.
Читать полностью…I’d like to give a few personal shout-outs to some channels that are owned by men I am fortunate to have met face-to-face.
Germanic Paganism:
Order of the Sacred Mannerbunde - I am very fortunate to be able to call C.N.J. Cornwell, the owner of this channel a close friend. I have attended several of his group’s events and the man is passionate about Anglo-Saxon paganism. I would also like to emphasise his value as a friend, he is a compassionate man who truly cares about the wellbeing of his peers.
Survive the Jive – Tom is an expert in the world of all things Anglo-Saxon and pagan, he knows his stuff and I’m sure most of our followers know him already. I would also like to add I have practiced with him and he is a sincere believer and I am grateful to have been guided by him in pagan practice.
Sigmund’s Metaphysical Männerbund – I have spent many hours with the man who runs this channel, he is a generous friend who knows tonnes about Anglo-Saxon paganism. He is also a fantastic musician, writer, and craftsman. Definitely follow him if you don’t already.
Redbad's Hall – This dutchman is charming and knowledgeable, certainly check this smaller channel out.
The Fyrgen • ᚫᛚᚢ:ᚢᛚᚫ - I’ve had the pleasure of briefly meeting Dan, after hearing him perform his inspiring music in person. I’m also a fan of his podcast which he regularly posts episodes of right on telegram. Certainly follow the Fyrgen if you don’t already.
Vaishnavism:
Modern Kshatriya – One of the kindest gentlest souls I have met. This man follows the Dharma so closely. He’s well-spoken and hugely knowledgeable about various Vedic scriptures. If you are at all interested in Vaishnavism, Vedanta, The Bhagavad Gita etc – check him out.
Buddhism:
Egbert Moray-Falls – This man has grown to be one of my close friends. I consider him my go-to if I have any questions about anything Buddhism. I have spent time with him morning until night, and he is meditating and practicing throughout the day, perhaps the most devoted religious practitioner I know. If you’re at all interested in Tantric Buddhism, I’d strongly recommend following this channel.
- Owen, The Sun Riders
@Solarcult
The Breoghan Royal Flush:
The Irish/Scottish Absolute
As I said, there is a Gaelic Brahman.
Learn about him below.
https://telegra.ph/The-Breoghan-Royal-Flush-The-IrishScottish-Absolute-11-29
- O’Gravy, The Sun Riders
@solarcult
This stuff with Breoghan, the Irish Brahman, is so big that people have difficulty computing it and grasping how far-reaching its impact is. Much easier to try to ignore it, for as long as that works.
Being an Irish pagan I don’t have that luxury. The Irish tradition is clear: the concept of something like Brahman (Breoghan) was at the foundation of their religion, the religion of my ancestors, as the myths have left record to us. The Welsh tradition adds further support to this notion. If the Celtic and Vedic traditions have this concept with all its exact mythic elements shared between them and no borrowing has occurred (borrowed from where?) then this Breoghan/Brahman went back to Proto-Indo-European religion. One positive proof is worth more than a million gaps and assumptions. One photograph of the murderer firing the murder weapon at the victim puts to bed all self-confident speculation. Facts don’t care about your feelings. For anyone dead-set on seeking the truth of the matter, this is where you are obligated to look.
Now personally I think the location that Breoghan’s Tower is situated in could symbolize a sort of void, whether chaotic or not, a la Ginnungagap, but that much is not made clear by the Irish texts. It is certainly in some sort of symbolic other realm.
The implications of this are also hard for many to grasp because I have not explained the issue in depth with all the clarifying proofs. Currently I am outlining my second book doing just that, as this is something that will take a book to fully explain.
This will be a complete explication of the Celtic metaphysics as far as the myths reveal them and what this can prove and settle once and for all for Indo-European religion at large. It will go into the theology of primordial deities such as Breoghan, Cernunnos, Bile, Mil, Muirthemne, Ith, Esus, Derg Corra, and others. None of this has ever been done with accuracy before.
This project will take a couple years at least to complete, as I have many family and work obligations that prevent me from even beginning.
In the meantime, my first book is a necessary preliminary for the next one. It leads up to the question of Breoghan by identifying most of the other deities who come after him. Without the groundwork of the first book, none of what I am saying about Breoghan will make any sense.
I’m taking this opportunity to post the link to my first book again, since buying a copy now should allow you to receive it by Yule, and it would make a fine gift for any Celtic or Indo-European myth obsessive:
Taliesin’s Map: The Comparative Guide to Celtic Mythology.
And as always this material is also freely available on my blog.
- O’Gravy, The Sun Riders
@solarcult
I sit here upon my couch, deep in gloomy thought.
Nietzsche had a very specific critique of where he thought Plato went wrong in his framing of “Being.” He wasn’t throwing the whole ocean of Greek philosophy out, and if he was then he wasn’t trying to follow Indo-European mythology, as we are.
What’s so strange and hopeless about this whole “debate” is that what the IE tradition has preserved regarding the origin of the cosmos and the Absolute is consistently ignored, or people simply aren’t aware of what has been preserved on the topic.
In both Vedic and Celtic mythology, the primordial origin is a pillar or tower (Vedic Skambha, Irish Tower of Breogan). The pillar is the widespread perennial symbol of the Ineffable Absolute, the Brahman etc. The name of the Irish tower (The Tower of Breogan in Brigantia) even comes from the same root as Sanskrit Brahman, hinting overwhelmingly at a shared origin.
Even more: the first deity to leave the Tower of Breogan and to set everything in motion in Irish myth is Ith, whose name means something like “pap, grease, corn.” The first cause emanating from the Vedic Brahman is Viraj, who is esoterically identified with “Food.”
Such a strange esoteric identity for the deity who is the first cause issuing from the Absolute in both Irish and Vedic myth is impossible to explain other than to once again assert the shared root of Breogan and his tower in Brigantia with Brahman and its Skambha Pillar. This idea cannot have been imported from Platonism to Irish myth, because the concept of the first cause as “food” does not exist in Platonism. It therefore must have been a concept shared between Irish and Vedic myth at the time of IE unity. Ith goes forth to meet the equivalent of Ymir (Mac Greine) and ends his life there (is absorbed). Thus Ith is equivalent to Audhumbla in her giving of sustenance to Ymir.
There is an Irish Brahman. And in Welsh there is one again, Dyfnwal Moelmud, meaning something like “World King of the Bare Silent Mound,” also called Mynogan, “The Silent”. Although we can’t say exactly how these figures were conceptualized by the ancient Celts, no one now can say “true pagans didn’t believe in anything like Brahman.” They would only be speaking for themselves and would show themselves to be uninformed of the evidence available for anyone to see in the myths (Greek myth provides further examples of mythic first principles).
This sort of complete denial of the issue leads to an inability to answer several questions regarding Germanic myth as well:
⁃ We can all agree that the Irminsul pillar is an “axis mundi,” which implies or creates a center.
So do centers exist or not exist at all? What makes it possible for centers either to arise at all from chaos or to exist in any sense at all? Or are they mere illusions to the core? If they are illusions, then why would anyone have valued the Irminsul so highly? To say that centers are illusions would be a potentially heretical diminishing of the Irminsul as a meaningful axis mundi (and would be similar to saying the world of Order is all a dream), so centers must have existence that is either a prori or is produced in particular instances.
⁃ Is the Irminsul eternal, or does it arise from “chaos-without-a-center” at a certain time? If it arises from chaos without a center, then what is it within chaos that makes this production of a center even a possibility? That something within chaos capable of producing a center would then be no different from the centering principle, what Platonists chose to call the One.
If the Irminsul is instead eternal, then it is the center of the cosmos that nothing comes before, which is what the Skambha of Brahman, the Tower of Breogan, and the Ineffable One are.
The Platonists say that the Ineffable One is not numerically One, nor is it a Thing. So much of the confusion surrounding this topic could be avoided by remembering this point. The Platonic One is a paradoxical and unthinkable principle that is not actually One, according to the philosophers themselves.
- The myth of Lleu closely matches the story of Menelaus from the Iliad, the brothers Agamemnon and Menelaus being incarnations who preserve archaic myths of the Varunian and Mitraic-type gods:
Gronw Pebr “The Radiant” comes to Lleu’s kingdom while Lleu is visiting his maternal great-uncle Math fab Mathonwy; Paris of astonishing beauty comes to Menelaus’ kingdom while Menelaus is about to leave for the funeral of his maternal grandfather Catreus. Gronw is there on a hunting expedition; Paris is there on a pretended diplomatic expedition. Lleu’s wife, Blodeuwedd, commits adultery and conspires with Gronw; Paris conspires with the goddess Aphrodite in order to adulterously steal Menelaus’ wife Helen. Lleu marshals all of his kingdom and crosses the river Cynvael to pursue Gronw and Blodeuwedd; Menelaus marshals all of the allied kingdoms and crosses the Aegean Sea to pursue Paris and Helen. Lleu is under a magical protection against death (a tynged, which is a kind of spoken fate pronounced over him); Menelaus is under a prophecy that the gods will not allow him to die yet and will take him to Elysium at the end of his life, which Athena ensures, as well as being protected by a sacred truce. Note: in the Iliad, the “duel” and the “wounding” scenes are switched in order compared to the Welsh version. Blodeuwedd guides Gronw in how to throw the spear to kill Lleu; Athena guides Pandarus to shoot the arrow at Menelaus. Lleu is struck in his side by the spear, breaking the magical tynged, undergoes a symbolic death, and is revived by his implied father and god of magical illusion and intellect, Gwydion; Menelaus is struck in the abdomen (the belt region) by the arrow, breaking the standing truce, and is aided by his older brother, Agamemnon, and protected from death by a goddess of magical illusion and intellect, Athena. Lleu has to be healed of this wound by physicians; Menelaus is healed of this wound by the physician Machaon. Lleu’s great-uncle Math then discusses revenge with Lleu (“‘Truly,’ said Math, ‘he will never be able to maintain himself in the possession of that which is thy right.’”); Menelaus’ older brother Agamemnon then discusses revenge with Menelaus (“the oath-breakers will pay with their lives, and their wives and children too [...] holy Troy will be razed in time” (Iliad, 4.160-4). When Lleu comes to confront him, Gronw in fear begs his attendants to stand in for him and receive the blow; when Paris and Menelaus arrive at the duel, it is said that Paris first becomes “sick at heart” and then “shrank back in the ranks” (Iliad, 3.32). Lleu and Gronw finally face off in a formal confrontation in order to put their dispute to rest: Lleu throws his spear through a slab of stone that Gronw hides behind, killing him; Menelaus and Paris finally face off in a formal duel in order to put their dispute to rest: Menelaus throws his spear through Paris’ shield and Paris has to be rescued by Aphrodite before he is killed. Gwydion is merciful in not killing Blodeuwedd, but curses her instead; when Menelaus confronts Helen later, he shows her mercy, and kills her second foreign husband Deiphobus (=Balor).
- In the Iranic Avesta Mithra catches the evil or lying man with his long arms, no matter where he goes (Avesta, Mihr Yasht, 104), while Lugh is prominently called lamhfada, “of the long arm.” This then implies “the long arm of the law,” and Lugh demonstrates his role of enforcer of the law when he deals out harsh justice to the sons of Tuireann or when Lleu deals the equivalent to Gronw. This trait is why Dumezil called Mitra “The Lawful Sovereign.” As is stated of the Mitraic incarnation Yudhishthira in the Mahabharata, “When I think of his wrath, O Sanjaya, and consider how just it is, I am filled with alarm” (Mahabharata, Udyoga Parva, XXII).
- Lugh’s name either derives from *lugiyo-/*lugion, “oath,” or *leu-, “light,” either one having strong resonances with Mitra, the sovereign of the daylit sky who is the embodiment of the contract.
Otherworld Art
by John Howe.
Seemingly, this is Bran fighting off the living and recently resurrected men of Lord Matholwch.
He is protecting his sister Branwen behind the shield and Efnisien will shortly sacrifice himself to destroy the magic cauldron.
The Gaelic Pantheon and The Germanic Pantheon in Comparison
(The O’Gravy Chart)
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[Irish god = Germanic god (= Vedic god type)]
Mac Cuill/Mac Gréine/Mac Cecht = head of Ymir
(Primordial Father Sky, =“Dyaus Pitar”)
Ériu/Fódla/Banba = Jǫrð
(Mother Earth, =“Prithvi”)
Elatha = Aurvandill
(Elder Sun, =“Surya”)
Bres = Ullr
(Younger Sun, =“Surya”)
Fionn Mac Cumhaill = main aspect of Óðinn
(Cosmic Intellect, =“Rudra”)
Manannán = aspect of Óðinn
(Celestial Fire, =“Agni”)
Áed = (Terrestrial Fire, =“Agni”)
Boann-Ethniu-Buas = Auðumbla-Gunnlǫð
(Cosmic Waters/Voice, =“Saraswati-Vac”)
Anu/Danu = Primordial Ice-Melt
(Primordial Waters, =“Danu”)
Morrígan = the Völva of Voluspa
(aspect of Primordial Waters Goddess, =“Danu”)
Dian Cécht = aspect of Óðinn
(High Priest of the Word, =“Brihaspati”)
Cian = aspect of Óðinn
(Magician of the Wilds, =“Pushan”)
Ogma = Bragi
(Court Bard of the Gods, =“Gandharva”)
Math/Mathu = Dellingr
(Impeller of the Sun, =“Savitar”)
Nuada-Elcmar = aspect of Óðinn
(Terrible Sovereign, =“Varuna”)
Lugh = Týr
(Lawful Sovereign, =“Mitra”)
Brigid = Freyja
(Dawn, =“Ushas”)
Étaín = Skaði
(Sunbeam Goddess, =“Sukanya-Sūrya”)
Caer Ibormeith = Gerðr
(Sunbeam Goddess, =“Savitri-Sūrya”)
Áine-Macha = Iðunn
(Sunbeam/Horse Goddess, =“Tapati-Sūrya/Saranyu”)
Grian = Sól
(Sun Goddess, =“Sūrya”)
Midir = Njörðr
(Lord of Lunar Waters, =“Soma”)
Aengus-Eoghan = Ingvi-Freyr
(Horse Twin(s), =“Ashvins”)
Donn = Mímir
(Lord of the Dead, =“Yama”)
Balor-Goll = Suttungr
(Destructive Storm Deity, =“Destructive rudras”)
Goibniu, Credne, Luchtaine = the Dwarves
(Craftsmen, =“Tvastar”)
Culann = Volundr
(Smith, =“Ribhus”)
Nechtan = Heimdallr
(Descendant of the Waters, =“Apam Napat”)
Neit = Víðarr
(God of War and Solar Inspiration, =“Vishnu”)
Amergin = Bergelmir?
(Lawgiver/Flood Survivor, =“Manu”)
Érimón = Baldr
(God of Noble Society, =“Aryaman”)
Tuireann = Thor
(Thunderer, =“Indra”)
The Cailleach-Miluchradh-Birog = Urðr/The Norns
(The Fates)
The Dagda = aspects of Thor, Óðinn and Ymir
(Lord of Wind, with aspects of Father Sky, =“Vayu/Dyaus”)
Míl Espáine aka Galam = Borr
(Desire, =“Kama”)
Bilé-Derg Corra (aka Cernunnos) = Búri
(The One-Being or Lord of Creatures, =“Prajapati-Purusha”)
Breogán, lord of the Tower of Brigantia = Irmin and Irminsul
(Lord of the Ineffable Cosmic Pillar aka the Absolute, =“Brahman, lord of the Skambha Pillar”)
- O’Gravy, The Sun Riders
@solarcult
He is then divided from Gaia by the violent knife of Cronus.
Could Cronus be aligned with Rudra-Agni? (I have shown that he is, in my article “The Celtic Creation Myth”). Ouranos’ blood and seed then fall to the ocean and produce, among other things, the ash-tree nymphs (Meliae), who are the ancestors of humans. Ouranos then steps into the background, while other gods step forward. This is a natural part of the cycle. As Dyaus is the embodied Heavens or Sky, so is Ouranos, and as the over-arching Sky he remains to give rain and to oversee worldly Justice in other ways.
Zeus then becomes the inheritor of the kingdom (the Heavens), that Ouranos, the original Father Heaven, is. As such Zeus inherits the throne of Father Heaven, and his name indirectly reflects this inheritance, but its signification is not identical to what it was for Dyaus, who was the primordial Heavens, divided from his “female half” by the Rudraic god to create the world itself.
We have this all confirmed again in Welsh myth, where Efnysien, Nisien and Manawydan (Rudra-Siva-Agni) break up the abusive marriage of Matholwch (Father Heaven) and Branwen (Earth), leading to the generation of the ancestors of humans. In Irish myth Eber Fionn (Rudra) and his brothers likewise break up the marriage of Mac Greine (Father Heaven) and Eriu (Earth) in a more compact version of the same.
Until the discourse can move beyond the shallow understanding of Father Sky, with all the projections of what people want this name to mean, all the attachments to an image of a Zeus-type sovereign ruling unchanged in every branch, we will be stalled in a sad incomprehension that will prevent us from understanding the actual theology of Father Heaven, the creation myth that he is a central component of, and what this all means for us in our religious practices. It is pitiable to think that we are still stuck in the 1800s in our understanding of this topic, still unable to free ourselves from an attractive linguistic mirage and our own laziness.
What this also leads to, for those unafraid to admit that they never actually knew Father Heaven before, is that it is instead the Norse YMIR who is the true equivalent of Dyaus and Ouranos, the true Father Heaven in the Vedic sense, the embodiment of the sky itself, which the Eddas make clear he physically is. He is the only one who is divided from his female half by an analogue of Rudra-Agni (Odinn-Hoenir-Lodurr = Rudra-Shiva-Agni) in the primordial moment of creation. Only Ymir becomes the Sky itself and then steps into the background. Only preconceived notions, wishful fantasies around the divine name “Dyaus,” and ignorance prevents the realization of this central pattern and the further understanding of the sacred theology that opens up from there.
Until this is grasped, the seeker of the truth hits a wall, and this is where most contentedly remain today with regard to their understanding of Father Heaven.
This topic and all of its far-reaching implications are explained in my book, link here.
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- O’Gravy, The Sun Riders
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If I were asked what I consider the most important discovery which has been made during the nineteenth century, with respect to the ancient history of mankind, I should answer by the following short line:
Sanskrit Dyaus Pitr = Greek Zeus Pater = Latin Jupiter = Old Norse Tyr.
Think what this equation implies! It implies not only that our own ancestors and the ancestors of Homer and Cicero (the Greeks and Romans) spoke the same language as the people of India – this is a discovery, which however incredible it sounded at first, has long ceased to cause any surprise – but it implies and proves that they all had once the same faith, and worshipped for a time the same supreme Deity under exactly the same name- a name which meant Heaven Father.
Max Müller, Philologist (1823 – 1900)