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25 Apr 2023 08:13

I hope this response will be taken as a friendly one. I’m duty bound to chime in here and say that this often mentioned *Yemo and *Mannus reconstruction of the PIE Creation Myth, while useful for getting people to think about reconstructing the primordial myth, is deeply flawed. In the end it misleads people who seek an accurate picture of the creation myth. Recently, I jokingly compared it to a kind of terrorism against comparative mythology, since it is so convincing a reconstruction that it has become a meme that almost cannot be dislodged from the PIE discourse.

I have been working on a full debunk of this myth, coincidentally, and it will be out in the next month or so.
My reconstruction of the Celtic and IE Creation Myth, which I’ve already put out in video and article form, also shows the outline of the actual Creation Myth of the ancient Indo-Europeans, and thus the alternative picture of the PIE creation myth is already out there and plain to see.

The *Yemo and *Mannus reconstruction was created by very respected scholars and I too once assumed it to be reliable. However, it is not linguistically or mythologically well-founded or even coherent when subjected to close analysis.

Let’s not waste decades of our time thinking from a false theological basis, when it can be remedied with available knowledge.

For example, Bruce Lincoln (the author of the theory) even admits that the names Ymir and Yama come from roots that are “intimately related”, but not exact formal matches. As our admin Josephus has elaborated, Ymir’s root implies he is “double”, while Yama’s implies he is a “twin”, and that while similar, a “double” being is not the same as a single “twin”, and these are importantly different: as Ymir is Sky and Earth in one, he is two-in-one (double), while Yama is one-in-two (a twin). Josephus provided another good illustration: guilty and guiltless both clearly come from the same root, but mean very different things, things that WOULD NOT be confused by anyone, let alone ancient bards and priests.

The glaring mythological differences between Yama and Ymir then cause Lincoln to have to fudge many things together to finally arrive at what is an entirely fictional creation myth. His reconstruction simply never happened, and was not the basis of any ancient belief. Hence why not a single existing branch has the whole myth as it is described in the *Yemo and *Mannus reconstruction.

Not a single branch could keep the myth straight?

Remember that this reconstruction claims that Buri and Borr, two extremely important gods, weren’t actually the progenitors of Odin. It claims they were essentially made up as fillers, since Odin and Ymir were supposedly first beings in the PIE myth. It claims that Ymir and Odin were really twin brothers originally, but our texts say they are neither brothers nor twins. Some things change, sure, but this one in fact never did: Odin and Ymir were never brothers or twins, and this can be shown with the same comparative method used by Lincoln, simply by pointing out that there are better comparisons that explain the data much more simply.

The *Yemo and *Mannus claim in the end is that the Norse creation is basically a jumble of pieces inherited in a confused way from the earlier PIE theology. But if this claim is actually not true then it is somewhat insulting, and exactly how untrue it is can be clearly demonstrated. Occam’s Razor favors the argument that the Norse Creation myth hasn’t actually changed so much since PIE times, and in truth the Norse and Celtic creation myths are amazingly close representations of the PIE creation with very little changed at all.

The Proto-Norse and PlE “Odin” (=Rudra) was always the son of “Borr” (=Kama) and grandson of “Buri” (=Prajapati), and “Ymir” was never his twin or even brother.

The Norse theologians had a precise and intentional theology, embedded in the genealogy from Buri down to Odin, with Ymir arising separately.

I will elaborate all of this in clear proofs when time permits.

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21 Apr 2023 00:05

New video is out.


The Gaelic God Aengus Og is a god of the transition between day and night, and between night and day, possibly aligned with the morning and evening star.

He is the representative of the “Third Function,” connected to fertility and the producer class, and his confrontation with Elcmar, the king of the gods, to take the Brugh na Boinne, is the Gaelic parallel of Freyr and the Vanir’s battle against the Aesir or the Asvins' confrontation with Indra.

The Celtic Aesir-Vanir War

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mVgWQ_YUbeU

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17 Apr 2023 00:25

Bought this book on the suggestion of @Vivisectorian after asking about resources to study Celtic and specifically Irish Paganism. I'm not even close to finishing it yet because I like to cross reference and further study many of the topics it discusses. It's been an absolute gold mine so far though and answers many of the questions I had but couldn't find knowledgeable answers to. Highly recommended for anyone looking to learn more about ancient Celtic deities and religion.

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10 Apr 2023 12:17

A pretty good beginner's how-to and basic breakdown of offering and sacrifice. https://www.instagram.com/p/Cq0_7KLv8K5/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=

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06 Apr 2023 23:55

Here is a link to my Twitter account, which is a backup contact for our channel and my own work.

https://mobile.twitter.com/StructuralMyth1

Follow me there for updates and discussions about Celtic and Indo-European myth and religion.
I am currently working on my next book, covering Cernunnos, Bile, Derg, Creiddylad, the Celtic Brahman called “Breoghan,” and more.


My first book sold nearly 450 copies in its first year, from January to January. This is more than the average legacy publishing company nonfiction release, and much more than niche academic works sell, and I did almost zero promotion other than broadcasting from here.
I give this as a small example of the potential that is out there.

Thank you for all your support. If you have purchased it, please consider leaving me a review on Amazon (US: https://t.co/5Yt5Rz0nSw ) or sharing a link on social media. This would help significantly to ensure that the spread of this information does not stop.

It is my hope that one day soon Celtic pagans will be able to organize to a greater degree than they have thus far, by seeing that they have a crystal clear theology in their myths, on which a full tradition is waiting to be (re)built.

I set out on this project in order to help rebuild such a tradition for my children, and I believe the spread of knowledge is unstoppable when the gods wish it to come to light.


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31 Mar 2023 23:20

A great and concise video on Eostre from STJ, useful for sharing to those who ask about this topic at Easter time.

My only side-issue is with Dumezil’s theory that is mentioned. In fact he was wrong about Njordr being one of the parallels of the Asvins, paired as a twin with Freyr, despite being his father.

Dumezil rightly compares the myth of the Asvins confronting Indra to Freyr, Njordr, and the Vanir confronting Odin in the “Aesir-Vanir War.” But in the Asvins’ myth, the Asvins actually have another figure do most of the work for them in the battle: this is Chyavana.

It is this Chyavana who is Njordr, the Asvins then curiously having only the singular Freyr as their parallel. This is an acceptable variation, however.

When they go to battle Indra, Chyavana has just had his eye poked out, has had the princess Sukanya given to him in marriage as a recompense for this offense, and then has gone through a “choosing test” where Sukanya has to choose him from between the Asvins after his youth is renewed in water. (Compare this sequence with the marriage of Njordr and Skadi).


This Chyavana then has to be investigated by us for his underlying god-identity.

This true identity is found by looking at Rig Veda 10.85, the marriage of Soma (Chyavana) to goddess Surya (Sukanya), with the Asvins present as attendant wooers and helpers.


So, we will never find the correct identity of Njordr by taking him for a morphed version of a brother of Freyr, as Dumezil somewhat vaguely speculated.


Chyavana’s identity as Soma is further confirmed by his Irish parallel, Midir, and the fact that his birth myth closely matches the birth myth of the Greek Soma-type god, Dionysus.


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28 Mar 2023 01:33

IMPORTANT CORRECTION:

In my Creation Myth video I accidentally cited the Rig Veda creation myth hymn involving Father Sky raping his daughter as RV 10.161. This should have been 10.61.

A significant slip.

As scholars have long recognized, RV 1.71.5 also tells a shorter version of the same myth, with the same details, while making it clearer that this is Father Sky (Dyaus) who is the rapist of his daughter and who is shot by The Archer, Rudra-Agni. Father Heaven is here indicated by the words "Pitre" (Father) and "dive," which is simply the dative case of the word Dyaus, meaning "Heaven," as it is normally translated.

mahe | yat | pitre | īm | rasam | dive | kaḥ | ava | tsarat | pṛśanyaḥ | cikitvān | sṛjat | astā | dhṛṣatā | didyum | asmai | svāyām | devaḥ | duhitari | tviṣim | dhāt
- RV 1.71.5

Here are 3 major translations of this verse:

“When he [Agni] made the sap [=semen] for great Father Heaven, noting the caresses he stealthily crept up (on him).
The archer [Agni-Rudra] boldly loosed a missile at him (when) the god placed his “spark” in his own daughter.” - Jamison and Brereton

“When man poured juice to Heaven (Dive), the mighty Father, he knew and freed himself from close embracement.
The archer boldly shot at him his arrow, and the God threw his splendour on his Daughter.” - T.H. Griffith

“When he had made this sap of essence for the great Father Heaven, he came slipping downward, one close in touch, having knowledge. The Archer loosed violently on him his arrow of lightning, but the god set the flaming energy in his own daughter.” - Sri Aurobindo


Two lines later RV 1.71.8 continues the same myth but specifies in another case that this is "dyaur," Heaven, who is the rapist, dyaur being the nominative case form of "Dyauḥ/s." The Padapatha version of the text just simplifies this word to "dyauḥ" at this point.

ā yad iṣe nṛpatiṃ teja ānaṭ chuci reto niṣiktaṃ dyaur abhīke | agniḥ śardham anavadyaṃ yuvānaṃ svādhyaṃ janayat sūdayac ca

“When the (missile’s) sharp point reached the lord of men [=Agni] (for him) to release it, Heaven, at the moment of contact, (released) the blazing semen poured out.
Agni engendered the faultless young troop of good intention [=Aṅgirases] and sweetened it.” - RV 1.71.8, Jamison and Brereton


Thus we can see that in one of Father Sky’s only narrative myths in the Rig Veda he rapes his own daughter and is shot by Rudra-Agni, resulting in the ancestors of humans (Angirases).

Are you sure you know Dyaus?

See also: Ouranos, Caelus, Ymir, Matholwch, Mac Greine


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17 Mar 2023 15:53

For my analysis of this possibly St. Patrick’s Day related myth, the Creation Myth, see my last posted video above.

Happy St. Patrick’s Day. Hail Eber Finn and Efnysien.


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14 Mar 2023 23:31

"King Attis stops his infinity through the castration; and the gods by this means exhort us also to cut off the infinity of our nature, and hasten back again to that which is bounded and uniform, and, if possible, to the one itself." - Emperor Julian

Attis is the Phrygian parallel of Efnysien, Eber Finn, Cronus, Odin, Rudra, as discussed in my recent Creation Myth video, and thus the above metaphysical interpretation can be applied to each of them.

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12 Mar 2023 07:44

He concludes that, “the Destroyer's uncompromising demand for
perfection, his angry withdrawal and protest, and, finally, his furious self-mutilation form the essential conditions for his work of creation.” - 124

The myth of Efnysien and Rudra is in fact the mythic narrative of the god of the divine Intellect, who is the shaper of the world, for both Plotinus and Plato identify Cronus as the Intellectual-Principle or Nous, and Fionn’s own name comes from a root meaning “to see” and thus has the meaning of “Seer” or “Knower,” while Rudra is traditionally identified with the power of consciousness or mind in some fashion.
In Efnysien’s myth we see the complex demiurgic process that leads the perfection-seeking god of divine Intellect to reshape the catastrophe of existence into something that can once again approach order as well as divinity.


To read a more in-depth analysis of Efnysien and this Celtic Creation Myth please read my 4-part article on the topic:
https://taliesinsmap.blogspot.com/2021/11/the-celtic-creation-myth-branwen_21.html?m=1


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12 Mar 2023 07:44

We can know confidently that Efnysien remanifests as Gwyn because in the Gaelic tradition we have the figure named Eber Finn in the position that Efnysien occupies in the Welsh Creation Myth. That is, Eber Finn and his brothers break up the marriage of Eriu (meaning Ireland, which then stands for Earth, and Eriu is Mother Earth, as we have seen) and Mac Greine (who as the primordial spouse of Eriu whose marriage is ended violently by this Rudraic Eber Finn, is apparently Father Sky). Eber Finn is subsequently the one who shares rule of Ireland briefly but is then killed, this being a variant that parallels the deposing of Cronus by Zeus or the death of Efnysien, which are all the same mythic event told slightly differently. The death or deposing of the primordial Rudra after the creation, leading to his later remanifestation in another form.
Clearly Eber Finn then remanifests simply as Fionn or Finn Mac Cumhaill, and their names much more blatantly mark the continuity of these figures.
Eber Finn becomes Finn.

Efnysien however becomes Gwyn, and thus we can see that the name Efnysien, “the hostile or wrathful one,” is just an epithet, a primordial byname of the god known otherwise as Gwyn.
Odin is called Odin when he divides Earth and Sky in the primordial moment, and is called either Odin or one of his many other epithets in his other myths. Thus his name doesn’t necessarily change between these two phases. Rudra is like Odin in that way, having his primary name and many epithets and forms. But the Greek tradition is more like the Welsh in this way: the primordial Greek Rudra is Cronus who divides Earth and Sky during a marital rape and is castrated and goes to rule the highest otherworld realm, and then must re-manifest in order for there to be a Greek Rudra-of-the-world deity, this being Apollo. The connection between Cronus and Apollo is then unspoken and esoteric within Greek tradition, like that between Efnysien and Gwyn in the Welsh tradition, but comparative analysis can demonstrate beyond doubt the through-line connecting these pairs. When we align their myths, it is plain to see: Efnysien is to Gwyn as Eber Finn is to Finn, or as primordial Odin is to Odin in his other myths. Thus Efnysien and Gwyn are continuations of the same deity.


⁃ Stella Kramrisch explains that in the Vedic myth, it is Rudra-Agni who has actually set the events in motion, by preparing the fire-seed and placing it in Father Sky, inflaming his passions and leading to his violent sexual act against his female other half. Thus Rudra-Agni sets the catastrophe in motion by the nature of his fire aspect, and then tries in vain to stop the rape and the expenditure of sacred liquid into the world, the generation of offspring. This explains Efnysien’s actions thoroughly. He first is against the marriage and so mutilates the horses, which also inflames tensions between the parties.


⁃ Manawydan, the Fire God (Agni), is present when Branwen marries Matholwch and leads the envoy sent to Matholwch to arrange to give him the cauldron as recompense for the offense of Efnysien.
⁃ Finally, near the the end of the war Efnysien says “Alas! woe is me, that I should have been the cause of bringing the men of the Island of the Mighty into so great a strait. Evil betide me if I find not a deliverance therefrom."”

To give them deliverance he self-sacrifices and breaks the cauldron of regeneration, and as I have said this self-sacrifice, in which his own heart is burst, must esoterically form the bridge back to the wholeness of the divine precosmic state that he had been seeking, as when Cronus becomes ruler of the Blessed Isles at the same point or when Rudra becomes the transcendent pillar in the waters and then goes off to his sacred mountain to meditate, reunified with higher absolute essence.

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12 Mar 2023 07:43

⁃ When this is understood, Efnysien’s cryptic hostility to Matholwch (who is Father Sky) and Branwen’s marriage and his anger at them being given the cauldron (the container of sacred liquid) finally becomes comprehensible.

⁃ Their marital union will result in the spilling of the sacred liquid that will have a domino effect leading to the bursting of the otherworld into creation. Rudra tries to stop this creation from happening, because it is a chaotic development compared to the perfect wholeness of the precosmic divine world, it is against cosmic order and equilibrium, but when the progenitive act does happen, he tries to then impose a new order onto the world that has been set in motion, to rectify its chaotic aspects and bring it back in line with the divine

⁃ Efnysien’s actions cannot be understood without reading them along these very lines, including the throwing of the son of Matholwch and Branwen into the fire, a very sudden and confusing act by Efnysien, but which is a perfect match for when, due to the arrow of Rudra-Agni striking him, the seed of the Vedic Father Sky falls to the ground and is there engulfed in flames, marking the site of sacrifice. Thus the offspring of the Welsh father Sky, Matholwch, being thrown down into the flames by Efnysien is the same as the seed of the Vedic Father Sky falling to the earth and being engulfed in flames when Father Sky is shot by Rudra-Agni. The child is in the same position as the seed, both being forms of the offspring of Father Sky.


⁃ Finally, Efnysien self-sacrifices in the cauldron of regeneration to help his side win the war. When he enters the cauldron, he makes his own heart burst with his effort to destroy it.
⁃ At the same point in Rudra-Siva’s myth, he goes into the “waters” in meditation, and castrates himself.
⁃ What the bursting of ones own heart and the castrating of oneself have in common is that they are both symbols of the site of the passions being snuffed out and overcome. The heart and the phallus are equally symbols of the site of the worldly passions, and the Welsh tradition has merely chosen to speak of the bursting of the heart rather than of castration.

⁃ The sacrifice of Efnysien should then be read as forming a bridge to the divine, as Rudra is the ferryman and liberator who leads to the other side, the yogi who meditates in the waters to gain samadhi, overcoming the worldly passions and leading to a transcendental state, the transcendent pillar or Sthanu that he becomes.

⁃ Of Rudra, who she calls the Liberator, Kramrisch says:
“The fierce guardian of the Uncreate, at the inception of life on earth, having entered into the created world, is the ferryman who leads to the other shore.”

⁃ When he bursts his own heart, the site of the passions, Efnysien like Rudra-Siva becomes the symbol of the attained state of integral wholeness or, an example of this state of reintegrated wholeness to all thereafter.

⁃ In the Vedic version it is much more clear that Rudra’s lost phallus is really symbolic of a maximizing of his spiritual virility rather than a simple neutering, and that while Rudra becomes an immovable transcendent pillar, he nonetheless has other manifestations on earth, whether called by the name Rudra or Pasupati or Vastospati or something else.

⁃ Rudra-Siva becoming the transcendent pillar or Sthanu is equivalent to the “death” of the Efnysien when he stretches himself to full length in the waters of the cauldron. Efnysien would then transcend to the otherworld, just a Cronus the Greek god in the same position does in the same place in his myth, when, after violently dividing the rape of Father Sky (Ouranos) and Earth (Gaia), Cronus becomes castrated and then goes to be the ruler of the highest afterlife destination, the Blessed Isles. As such we are able to be confident that Efnysien does similarly, even though it is not stated explicitly in the tale.

⁃ After the war ends, some women pregnant with the ancestors of today’s humans are found in a cave.

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28 Feb 2023 18:45

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As in the last two years, we invite you to join us in challenging ourselves physically, mentally, and spiritually; getting ready for another season of action, productivity, building, and growing.

Here are our major goals for this March:

Goal I - Physical Fitness
Strengthen your body with regular exercise.
Set new goals for weight, reps, frequency etc, and achieve them. Don‘t slack!

Goal II - Reading and Studying
Read for at least 30 minutes every day and tackle those books you‘ve been meaning to get to.
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Perform daily ritual, for example libation, prayer, meditation, and honor your gods and ancestors.

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Overcome your vices. Cut out unhealthy habits such as smoking, drinking, sugar, late night snacking, mindless scrolling etc.

Push yourself! Tackle as many goals as possible.
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27 Feb 2023 20:06

Gothic niutan, meaning 'to catch, attain, acquire' and nuta, meaning 'catcher, fisherman').

⁃ Thus Nodens’ name may connect him either to the misty waters of the sky or to the concept of “catching,” whereas it is Varuna who in the Vedas catches sinners or opponents with his magical noose and his many spies.

⁃ According to Isolde Carmody, Findias, the Island from which Nuada’s sword comes, has a meaning related to light, whiteness, holiness, and swiftly running water (as in “white water”), while the druidic teacher from Findias is named Uiscias, which is most likely from the root uisce, meaning “water.”

⁃ As John Carey has detailed, Nuada apparently became syncretized with another god of waters over time, Nechtan, leading to the name Nuada Necht. This doesn’t imply that he was Nechtan to begin with, but it does make clear how strongly he was connected to the waters to lead to this conflation.

⁃ As we will discuss in the future, Lludd, the Welsh Nodens/Nuada, is in the same position in relation to Llefelys as Varuna is in relation to Prajapati of the Vedas. As I will show, Llefelys is not Lleu as usually is hastily presumed (Lleu being Mitra), but is instead a name of the Prajapati type of Celtic myth. When the myth of Prajapati teaching Varuna is understood and compared to the myth of Llefelys teaching Lludd, we see that the Welsh Varuna is once again in a mythic position corresponding to none other than Varuna.

⁃ I find that many people are stuck on the idea of Nuada as a Mitraic god, because Nuada loses his arm while the Mitraic god Tyr loses his hand. But Nuada’s arm is lost during a battle while Tyr’s is lost from a wolf bite during a deceptive pledge, and these two maimings have entirely different meanings and outcomes. We must understand the specific contexts. The loss of Nuada’s hand is not connected to the Mitraic function of justice, compared to Tyr’s lost hand which carries a specific meaning relating to the wounding of the pledge hand of the god of pledges during a pledge. Even Dumezil renounced the comparison between Tyr and Nuada for this reason in his later writings. When this great red herring of a comparison is released back into the sea, it becomes clear that, if one knows the facts about Varuna and Mitra, it is Nuada who instead stands alone as the Varunian sovereign of Irish myth, the king of the beginnings, of night, of the waters, of the loss of sovereign vitality, and his pairing with Lugh is equivalent to the Varuna-Mitra pairing of Vedic myth, and as with Varuna and Mitra, the Varunian king arrives first, and the Mitraic king follows later.


For more information on the Varunian-type incarnations, check out my article on Agamemnon and Pandu below.
https://taliesinsmap.blogspot.com/2020/12/the-heroes-of-iliad-as-indo-european.html?m=1

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27 Feb 2023 19:52

The father leaves the mother abruptly immediately after the conception, and the son does not know his true father until an event connected to the Great War. Karna does not find out his true parentage until well into the Kurukshetra War, while Bres finds out who his father is after the First Battle of Maige Tuireadh and right before he sparks the Second Battle of Maige Tuireadh, thus midway through the double war of the Irish myth.
13.From one of the two of this parent couple springs many of the other main gods or god-incarnations. That is, this is an important divine “ancestor” pairing.
14.While Karna is explicitly a manifestation of the Sun deity, Bres is called “Eochaidh,” or “Horseman,” a not uncommon title for various chiefs, but also fitting for a solar figure, the horse being a common solar symbol. He also is said to grow, from birth, at twice the normal rate, another solar trope possibly mirroring the sun rising rapidly in the sky.

One thing to note is that the Sun God fathered by his own self from the previous cycle is a well-established feature of Egyptian mythology. As such, it is likely that we should consider this Indo-European myth along the same lines. Elatha and Bres are the same divinity at core; one is merely the sun from the day or the year before. Perhaps the rebirth of the sun from mother earth was even ritually connected to the time around or following the winter solstice, when the sun of the new year rises from darkness.

For more on this topic please read the comparison of Paris, Bres and Karna in my article on the Iliad heroes.

https://taliesinsmap.blogspot.com/2020/12/the-heroes-of-iliad-as-indo-european_90.html?m=1

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23 Apr 2023 13:11

The Indo-European cosmogony for how the universe and world was created, as we can reconstruct from the various pagan daughter cultures, is as follows;

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In the beginning there was nothing, no sea nor waves, nor sand nor earth, nor sky above, just a great abyss (Chasm, Ginnungagap). The eventual merging of heat and ice brought about formation of life into being, but divine creation takes the form of the verb *dʰeh (English do, Latin facere, Sanskrit dádhāti, Greek títhēnai), to make, set, establish. The gods establish and uphold cosmic law, and with that comes the creation of man, whose earthly rites are counterparts to cosmic rites enacted by the gods. The world of man is the world bound by the law of the gods.

It is important here to add that paganism is eternal, outside of time and space, not based in real-time history like Christianity, and so will be different for different peoples, in this case Indo-European paganism will be different to that of hunter gatherers and even pre-human people because it is founded on early agrarianism, horse domestication and animal husbandry, thus this plays an important role in its description and the role of humanity.

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Manu, the first man, and his giant twin, Yemo, cross the cosmos, accompanied by the primordial cow. Manu sacrifices his own giant brother to create the cosmos from his body, often with the help of heavenly gods (Dyaus-Phtér, the Sky-Father; Perkwūnos (sTenaros), the storm-god and the Divine Horse-Twins) and create the world and other human beings, in established castes or social classes, from his remains.

Manu, for this cosmic sacrifice, therefore becomes the first priest, but his dead brother, Yemo, becomes the first King, sometimes also ruler of the underworld. In some versions the primordial cow was the original sacrifice, and gave birth to animals and plants. In Norse myth Auðhumla is suckled by Ymir (Yemo), and in Roman myth Romulus and Remus (*Jemos) suckle a she-wolf in place of the cow, as creation of the world is historicised into the creation of Rome.

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The gods offer the third man, Tritó, a gift of cattle (remember that cattle is literally the backbone of life, law and order in Indo-European society). This cattle is then stolen by a three-headed serpent named Ngʷʰi (lit. Un-Serpent), the serpent of negation against the cosmic order which the gods uphold and maintain.

While Tritó first suffers against this serpent, he is fortified by an intoxicating drink (Mead, Soma/Haoma) and helped either by the storm-god or by Virile-Man, Hnḗr (Germanic Nerþuz, Greek anér/andros, Irish nert), where they overcome the monster in a cave or mountain, take back the cattle and restore cosmic order. For this Tritó is recognised as the first warrior, and through heroic deeds maintains the cycle of mutual giving between the gods and humanity.

Thus in Germanic lore we know of Hymir's fight with Jǫrmungandr (cosmic-staff), the World-Wyrm, aided by Þunor/Þórr/Donar. We know that Tritó gives his name to Þriði (Third), which seems to be an hypostasis of Óðin questioned by King Gylfi in Gylfaginning, but it is more likely that this really belongs to Þórr, who fights against Jǫrmungandr at Ragnarǫk, as well as other lawless and anti-cosmic giants, upholding cosmic order and divine law.

Thus is it so for Zeus and Typhon, Apollo and Python, Herakles and Hydra, Perun and Veles, Indra and Vritra, Fereydun ('Tritó) and Zahhak, Dian Cecht and Miach, Vahagn and Vishap and many more, some outside of Indo-European tradition such as Horus and Set, Ninurta and Anzu, Tarhunna and Illuyanka, Ba'al and Yamm, Marduk and Tiamat or Yahweh and Leviathan. In many of these the divine conquest of cosmic order and law over the serpent of chaos is itself the act of creation. Quasi-historical or legendary heroes uphold this cosmic tradition such as Sigurðr/Siegfried, Beowulf, Dobrynya Nikitich and of course St. George continue to maintain this ancient tradition, not only of slaying a dragon, but by implication returning the cattle and upholding the cosmic order from the forces of negation.

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18 Apr 2023 22:46

This incredible Anglo Saxon sword pommel was recently unearthed in Brightstone, Isle of Wight, 6-7th Century. The inscription makes me think of the Sigdrífumál…

“Victory-runes learn, if thou longest to win, And the runes on thy sword-hilt write;
Some on the furrow, and some on the flat, And twice shalt thou call on Tyr.”

“Sigrúnar skaltu kunna, ef þú vilt sigr hafa,
ok rísta á hjalti hjörs, sumar á véttrimum,
sumar á valböstum, ok nefna tysvar Týr.”

Note how the Tir rune is boldly carved twice; once on each side.
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17 Apr 2023 00:25

Thank you to these gentlemen for reading. The Celtic awakening can’t be stopped.

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07 Apr 2023 13:58

Every Night must give way to Dawn‘s radiant light.

She has graced us again with her beauty, her love, and her divine power, awakening the sleepers.

Let‘s celebrate life!

🌅 Happy Easter! 🌸

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05 Apr 2023 07:20

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The Gaelic God The Dagda is the Wind God, Vedic Vayu.

In addition to this, however, he has some possible Father Sky myths, and it is his grandsons who are the triple-form Father Sky of the Creation Myth.


The Dagda is Vayu-Dyaus, the Wind God of the Sky (Celtic Mythology Decoded)

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8NEFdYXukCU

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29 Mar 2023 04:50

Commenter Lugh Lamhfada summarized my Celtic Creation myth videos very nicely. Thank you to him and other commenters for watching and commenting so perceptively.


“Now I have a better understanding of the Celtic creation myth based on my understanding of how Odin (Rudra/Efnysien/Eber Finn), Hœnir (Shiva/Nisien) and Lothur (Agni/Manawydan) split Ymir into both sky and earth. However, the Norse case is slightly different as Ymir would be a hermaphrodite due to his affiliation of being separated into earth and sky. Ymir is also Deus Otiosus as he is no longer mentioned in the Norse mythology.

While the Celtic creation myth is slightly different. The Norse creation myth starts with Ginnungagap while the Irish starts with Breoghan who is the counterpart to Brahman. Breoghan sits upon his tower during winter (the beginning of the cosmic cycle) and his son Ith sees Ireland (Erin). Ith goes to Ireland and dies. Ith climbing down from the tower is a metaphor of how he emanates from Breoghan. Eriu, Fodla, and Banba (manifestations of earth and the seasons) marry the grandsons of the Dagda ie. MacGreine, Mac Cecht and Mac Cuil. Their marriage union is the cryptic union of earth and sky. Which parallels the Greek creation myth where Ouranos (Father Sky) tightly presses on Gaia (Mother Earth) and thus she has Cronus (Rudra) castrate the two so the earth and sky become separate instead of one. Eber Finn and his allies kill the grandsons of the Dagda and Eriu. This represents the separation of earth and sky, just as in the Greek version and Welsh.

The Welsh creation myth is more detailed. Matholwch (Welsh An Dagda[/ Mac Greine]) marries Bronwen (Welsh Eriu) and this upsets Efnysien. Efnysien along with Manawydan kill Matholwch for his abusive relationship with Bronwen. This killing is also the separation of earth and sky. Gwern being thrown into the fire matches the Vedic creation hymn where Dyaus' fiery seed spills out of him once he is separated from his female other half due to Rudra-Agni shooting him with his arrow. His seed lands on the fire altar, the primordial sacrifice. Gwern being thrown into the fire represents this fire sacrifice as well.

This is what I understand thus far. The Norse creation myth is similar to the Irish, Welsh and Greek creation myth but with Ymir being a hermaphroditic being due to his association with becoming the earth and sky.



We are truly blessed to have not only one but two Celtic creation myths and even the Celts have a Brahman figure "Breoghan" the absolute, whence all the gods, men, and existence emanate from.”


Here are the links to parts 1 and 2 in case you missed them.

Part 1: Efnysien is Rudra
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0SqgQDxRfmM

Part 2: Breoghan is Brahman
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=puDDWZZYm5A


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22 Mar 2023 01:03

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The Gaelic figure Breoghan is Brahman, the Absolute.

His son Bile is Prajapati, god of the Cosmic Tree.

The REAL Celtic and Indo-European Creation Myth Part 2: Breoghan is Brahman (Celtic Mythology Decoded)

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=puDDWZZYm5A

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17 Mar 2023 15:48

🍀 St. Patrick’s Day and the Creation of the World

St. Patrick’s Day is said to mark the death of St. Patrick and to commemorate the bringing of Christianity to Ireland. However, it occurs right around the time of the March Equinox (March 21) and near the Hindu equinox-related celebration of Holi (March 18). These mark the beginning of Spring.

As I’ve shown, the time around the March Equinox (perhaps connected to a nearby moon-event) would have marked the IE commemoration of the Creation of the world (which mythos Holi is also derived from).

As this is the beginning of Spring within the world, so it is the springing forth of the life of the cosmos from the primordial cosmic winter on a higher level, the creation of the world.

As St. Patrick’s Day is said to mark the bringing of Christianity to Ireland and the death of Patrick, the Irish Creation myth tells of the bringing of the Sons of Mil, the first ancestors of the Irish, to Ireland, and the death of Mac Greine (see: Ymir/Dyaus) and finally of Eber Finn (see: Odinn/Rudra). As such St. Patrick’s Day could be argued to be overlaid over this earlier mythos to some extent.

So today or in the next few days leading to the Equinox, pour a toast to your ancestors, the high gods, who came as the Sons of Mil to bring the Irish and their ancient ways to Ireland, and think of the primordial sacrifice of Father Sky, Mac Greine, and the subsequent death of Eber Finn, which in truth was the creation of a bridge back to divinity for those who followed, if its meaning is interpreted correctly.

The Celtic Creation Myth: https://taliesinsmap.blogspot.com/2021/11/the-celtic-creation-myth-branwen_21.html?m=1

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12 Mar 2023 07:46

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The REAL Celtic and Indo-European Creation Myth Part 1: Efnysien is Rudra (Celtic Mythology Decoded)

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0SqgQDxRfmM

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12 Mar 2023 07:44

Clearly with this act Efnysien allows his side to win the war against Matholwch, to destroy the cauldron of regeneration that would lead to a hellish zombie state lacking the cycle of natural death (the muteness of the revived warriors that go into the cauldron symbolizing their being cut off from the essence of the divine, which is voice). Perhaps this short-lived primordial state of living death, separated from the divine, is similar again to when the Cyclopes and Hecatonchieres are trapped in Tartarus by Ouranos and then freed by Cronus at the end of the war.


So Efnysien and Manawydan, that is Rudra-Agni, together help to give Branwen to Matholwch in marriage, inflame the tensions between the two sides by mutilating the horses of Matholwch, and arrange to have the cauldron given to Matholwch. They then fight to separate Matholwch and Branwen, while Efnysien violently cleanses the house of Matholwch, as the defender of the house akin to Vastospati, then casts Matholwch’s offspring into the fire, and finally, realizing the fact that he has been the author of the whole sequence of events, self-sacrifices to destroy the cauldron of regeneration, bursting his own heart in an act that esoterically implies the overcoming of the passions and the return to the divine realm. The ancestors of humans are then discovered and populate the new world.


This is the Welsh Creation Myth, and as I have suggested it is repeated in a very sketchy form in the Gaelic Book of Invasions, in the sequence known as the Invasion of the Sons of Mil. Eber Finn is the Rudraic god matching Efnysien, his brother Donn, who sometimes appears as the singing severed head Donn Bo, is the lord of the island that is the gateway to the underworld, matching Efnysien’s brother Bran, who becomes a speaking severed head and the lord of the Otherworld isle of Gwales after the war, and thus the marriage of Eriu to Mac Greine is the parallel of the marriage of Branwen to Matholwch, Mother Earth to Father Sky, divided by the Rudraic god and his brothers.


They will seek long and fruitlessly who do not recognize the Celtic Creation Myth in these stories, for there is no other. The Celtic Creation Myth has however been left to us in remarkable detail, and in two versions no less.


It is understandable that the Celtic Creation Myth has not been decoded until now, as it is somewhat complex work until one gets to know the underlying pattern. That being said, henceforth, anyone who claims the Celts have no creation myth has simply admitted their ignorance of the subject.
And not only is this the Celtic Creation Myth, but the numerous similarities between the Welsh and Vedic creation myths allow us to deduce that the Proto Indo European Creation Myth must not have been far different in its narrative and esoteric meaning, and that the places of agreement between the Welsh and Vedic versions give us a clearer idea of what that Proto-Indo-European myth looked like.

Rudra, that is Efnysien, violently divides Sky from his other half, Earth, who are in an abusive progenetive union, and then he provides the paradigm for self-transcendence and the return to divine wholeness, rupturing the site of his own passions, and thereby forming a bridge to reconnect with the divine thereafter, while also instituting the cycle of natural death within the world when he breaks the cauldron of regeneration. The ancestors of humans then are found as a mysterious after-effect of this great event.

Writing on the self castration of Siva when he is in the form of the Pillar, the scholar David Shulman describes a pattern that also exactly fits the actions of Efnysien:

“This is the essential Saiva vision: one reaches the positive pole through negation.” - Shulman, 108
“Sthanu is the Pillar-rigid, removed from the world, chaste, intent on wholeness,
uncompromising, yet supportive of the limited order, sexually potent, the inventor of death.” -109
“the terrifying aspect of [Sthanu] also becomes defined as a kind of compassion or mercy, albeit the peculiar mercy of mortality” - 109

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12 Mar 2023 07:44

Thus the war results in the generation of humans just as the Vedic, Norse and Greek creation myths do.


Since Efnysien is therefore the Welsh Rudra in a primordial form, we see that the war that he causes and fights in is really the division of the abusive marriage of Father Sky and Mother Earth, Matholwch and Branwen, just as with the division of Sky and Earth by Cronus in the Greek tradition. This is again directly comparable to the violent sexual union of Father Sky and his female half or “daughter” in the Vedas which Rudra-Agni divides. Instead of a rape, in the Welsh version the violence has been portrayed as physical abuse and the union as marriage.

The rape of father sky’s female half, his “daughter”, calls Rudra to stop it with his arrow.
Likewise, the marital violence of Matholwch against his spouse Branwen calls Efnysien and his brothers to put a stop to it with a war.
This war and the arrow shot of Rudra are dramatizing the same core metaphysical event.

The existence of the duality of Efnysien and his peace-bringing brother Nisien shows that the Rudra-Siva duality existed from Proto-Indo-European times. This peace-bringing brother of Efnysien, blatantly contrasted with him along these lines, indeed cannot be explained in any other way than as the Welsh Shiva.

Thus, because the Welsh case had an explicit Rudra-Shiva pairing, it is possible to deduce that the Vedic Rudra also always implies his Shiva face. Shiva is the other side of Rudra, always present, as this concept must have been present during the Proto-Indo-European period in order to appear similarly in Vedic and Welsh, not to mention Norse, traditions. Hence when Rudra-Agni divides Sky and his female aspect, this is always really Rudra-Siva-Agni doing so. the name Rudra simply encompasses the Rudra-Siva duality as such in Rig Vedic hymns. Rudra is often said to have an “auspicious (siva) form” and is asked to show it, as in the Satarudriya litany.
We then have Rudra-Shiva-Agni as the main dividers of Father Sky and his female half.

Likewise, in the Welsh version we have Efnysien (or Rudra) accompanied by Nisien (or Siva) and Manawydan (or Agni) in his war against Matholwch (or Father Sky), which results in the end of his marriage with Branwen (or Mother Earth) and the death of his son who is thrown in the fire.

It is this trio, Rudra, Shiva and Agni, that is usually present at the dividing of the primordial union of Earth from Sky in the moment of primordial creation, as again with Odin who is Rudra, Hoenir who is Shiva, and Lodurr who is Agni, when they divide Ymir, who is the unquiet union of Sky-Earth, or Dyaus-Prithvi.

This is why it is specifically Efnysien, Nisien, and Manawydan who greet the son of Matholwch named Gwern, meaning “Alder”; this scene being the direct parallel of when Odin, Hoenir and Lodurr find the tree named human Askr, meaning “Ash,” on the beach

I will restate one last time: Rudra-Agni divides Sky from his own female half, but Rudra is always Rudra-Siva, as the Welsh and Norse trios are able to confirm.

If the idea of Nisien as a Welsh Shiva is rejected, then one has to explain why the Welsh Rudra, Efnysien, has a brother with nearly the same name, and why their two names are explicitly contrasting, and mean roughly “Mr Peace and Mr Un-Peace”. One has to explain who this Nisien could possibly be besides a god sharing an Indo-European root with Siva, the peaceful side of the “wrathful destroyer” god Rudra.


Now, clearly Gwyn ap Nudd is the Welsh Rudra in most myth and folklore, perfectly cognate with Fionn Mac Cumhaill of the Gaelic tradition as we have discussed previously. But we can now understand the continuity between Efnysien and Gwyn. Gwyn is perhaps the better known name of the god, but when Efnysien “dies” he of course goes to the Otherworld and must remanifest as Gwyn ap Nudd, just as Rudra becomes the transcendent pillar and goes to his sacred mountain after castrating himself in the waters and remanifests in other Rudra forms or as Pasupati or Vastospati, etc.

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12 Mar 2023 07:43

🏹Efnysien and Nisien are Rudra and Siva - The Celtic Creation Myth Part 1 🏹

We can identify the Mabinogi tale Branwen, Daughter of Llyr as the Welsh Creation Myth, and the seemingly psychopathic figure Efnysien as the primordial form of the Welsh Rudra, and thus his brother Nisien as the primordial Welsh Siva.

The decoding of the Welsh Creation Myth, however, relies on the proper understanding of the Vedic Creation Myth, something that is rare to find.

In the Rig Vedic Creation Myth, not the Nasadiya Sukta usually referred to as the creation hymn, but rather the version found in RV 10.161, Father Sky is portrayed raping his own “daughter”, as if in a primordial union with her.

An archer, who is invoked with a “Rudriyan formulation,” a raudra brahman, and is in fact Rudra-Agni according to scholar Stella Kramrisch, divides this sexual union of Father Sky and his female other-half using an arrow shot. The semen of Father Sky (Dyaus) spills down and creates the site of the primordial sacrifice and also spawns the ancestors of human beings.

This is told cryptically in Rig Veda 10.61, and 1.71.5 and due to its cryptic presentation most people don’t even know this myth, but scholars such as Arthur Anthony Macdonell, Stella Kramrisch, Stephanie Jamison and Joel Brereton and othets have brought clarity to these Vedic passages and the Brahmanas that elaborate the narrative.

In summary, Rudra-Agni violently divides Father Sky from progenetive union with his “daughter”, who is really his other half, leading to the creation of the ancestors of humans and the site of the primordial sacrifice. The identity of this daughter is debated among scholars, but Macdonell identifies her with the Earth goddess, which the comparative evidence from other branches also seems to confirm.

Returning to the Welsh myth: When we are able to identify Efnysien as Rudra, we can see that this same mythic structure forms the very backbone of the second branch of the Mabinogi, Branwen Daughter of Llyr and thus this tale is the Welsh Creation Myth, and is a very detailed version of the Indo-European Creation Myth at that.


Therefore, to show that Efnysien is Rudra, we can point to virtually anything he does, so thoroughly do his actions accord with the traits and myths of Rudra on the primordial scene of creation.

⁃ His name, Efnysien, means “hostile, wrathful”.

⁃ He is called the bringer of strife while Nisien, his brother is the bringer of peace. The text reads: “And one of these youths was a good youth and of gentle nature, and would make peace between his kindred, and cause his family to be friends when their wrath was at the highest; and this one was Nissyen; but the other [Efnysien] would cause strife between his two brothers when they were most at peace”. They are explicitly contrasted in their names and in their descriptions, presenting the same duality with which Rudra and Siva are contrasted. The scholar Patrick Ford (1996: 114) even exolains the implicit contrast of the names of Nisien and Efnysien as “Mr Peace (Nisien) and Mr Un-Peace (Efnisien).”

⁃ Efnysien mutilates horses while Rudra and his band of rudras are well known for mutilating various kinds of livestock.

⁃ In the Vedic creation hymn previously mentioned, a form of Rudra is Vastospati appears when Father Sky rapes his daughter, Vastospati meaning the “protector of the house.” Similarly, Efnysien defends the special house built by Matholwch as a trap for Bran, by violently cleansing it and crushing the skulls of all 200 assassins placed there to kill them.

⁃ As Kramrisch explains, Rudra is the defender of the integrity of the heavenly state before the moment of creation. He does not want the sacred liquid to be spilled into creation via the sexual act of Father Sky, as this would break the pre-cosmic wholeness and begin the unfolding of worldly generation. As the policeman of cosmic order within this precosmic state, he also is responsible for putting a stop to both the sexual violence and the procreative act that Father Sky is the agent of.

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27 Feb 2023 20:11

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Nuada is the sovereign of the night phase, the first half of the cycle, a god of healing and of the waters.


Nuada is Varuna, sovereign of waters and night (Celtic Mythology Decoded)

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WOK_njk7F8k

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27 Feb 2023 20:06

🌊NUADA IS VARUNA🌊

The Irish king of the Tuatha De Danann, Nuada, corresponds to the Vedic king of waters, night sky, and the sovereignty of the beginning phase, Varuna.

⁃ The first thing to understand about Nuada is his position in the cycle of kings of the Tuatha De Danann. We have already discussed how The Mitraic king Lugh rules the end of the cycle, corresponding to Autumn, and how Bres the Sun God rules the middle of the cycle, this being the heat of summer. As Dumezil explains, Varuna is king of the first part of the cycle because he is the sovereign of Night, which is the beginning of the cycle, corresponding to winter, more or less. Similarly, Nuada is the king when the Tuatha de Danann arrive to Ireland and thus he is the first sovereign of the cycle that they initiate as the gods of society.

⁃ As Varuna is characterized by the creative energy of beginnings, which Dumezil calls celeritas, meaning speed or haste, he is the king who epitomizes the wars of conquest that violently establish order and expand dominion. Heroes of the Varunian type, such as the direct Varuna incarnation Pandu, or the Iliad hero Agamemnon, are expansionist warrior kings who create massive kingdoms that the Mitraic type generally brings lasting stability to later. Nuada similarly is king during the first war against the Fir Bolg, defeating them to first establish the power and dominion of the Tuatha De. As Nuada is an important god of kingship like Varuna, the name nuada even became a noun that was used to mean a hero, champion, or king in Middle Irish.

⁃ Nuada’s reign ends due to a physical wound signifying his imperfection and loss of sovereign power: the loss of his arm, which the physician god later replaces. The loss of the vitality that makes one king is also a theme of Varunian figures: While Nuada abdicates the throne when he has his arm severed, Pandu, Varuna’s incarnation, abdicates the throne when he is cursed to be unable to embrace his wife, once again expressing the idea of the tainted or maimed king not being fit to rule. The version of this motif connected to Varuna himself is that he becomes impotent and has to be healed by the Gandharvas. Pandu also is born with an affliction that makes his skin pale white, while Nuada’s replacement arm is said to be silver.

⁃ Varuna is a god of the waters (probably the Greek Poseidon is a parallel), while Nuada and his cognate form Britain, Nodens, are also repeatedly connected with the water element in particular. Nodens of Britain is represented on a priest’s headdress found at his shrine at Lydney as a Neptune-type sea king, riding on a chariot pulled by sea horses and holding a scepter and a sea serpent. He is also flanked by fish centaurs carrying anchors and there is a depiction of a fisherman with gills catching a fish.

⁃ A mosaic from the Nodens temple shows two more sea-serpents and several fish, possibly salmon. The temple overlooks the river Severn.

⁃ As Lorna Smithers explains:
“Pilgrims came to Lydney for dream-healing. They would arrive at the guesthouse, bathe in the baths, then make offerings to Nodens through a funnel in his temple (which suggests he dwelled below in the deep). They would then retire to a long row of cells to enter a sacred (likely drug-induced) sleep during which they would receive a vision from Nodens. The dream-interpreter would listen to the dream then suggest a method of healing based on Nodens’ message.”
This further connects Nodens to the nocturnal side of things, like Varuna the king of night.

⁃ Most of the inscriptions found at Lydney are from people asking Nodens for healing, while Varuna is called the healer with a thousand remedies.

⁃ The Welsh noun nudd, spelled n-u-d-d, from which we get the Welsh names for Nuada, means 'mist, haze, fog', leading to a reconstructed Proto-Celtic stem *snowdo- ('mist, haze'), from Proto-Indo-European *snewdh- (meaning 'mist, cloud'; cf. Latin nūbēs 'clouds'), Scholars have also linked the Celtic names with the stem *néud- (cf.

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27 Feb 2023 19:52

” Morgan Daimler, in a literalist translation of the Cath Maig Tuired, translates Elatha’s request as as: “Shall I have an hour of copulation with you?” Thus the similarities of the two texts occur right down to the use of approximately the same explicit terminology at a key moment.
6.They lie together.
7.The woman expresses anxiety over losing her virginity. Just before they lie together, Kunti says, “O Witness of all! O knower of Dharma! You know that I am a virgin girl. O Suvrata! I bow down to you; I am a family daughter; so do not speak ill to me.” Just after they lie together, Ériu says that one of the things she laments is that “The young men of the Túatha Dé Danann have been entreating me in vain—and you possess me as you do.” That is, she is anxious about having given up her virginity.
8.He removes her anxiety about this. Surya says, “If you satisfy me, your virginity will remain.” Elatha says, “Your anxiety about those two things will be removed,” and gives her a gold ring. Because there is no clear indication of how the gift of the ring will alleviate her anxiety over her lost virginity, the possibility must be considered that Elatha may also restore Ériu’s virginity along with this gift, and that this fact is again only being obliquely alluded to, as other details have been. Due to all of the other alignment between these parallel passages we must attempt to imagine that these details regarding the alleviation of the virginity-anxiety may have in some way had a unified meaning in some kind of a shared origin.
9.The father foretells that a son will be born. A son is born who is exactly like his father. This is stated explicitly in the Indian case: “there will be born a son to you, exactly like me.” The Irish case similarly has: “You will bear a son as a result of our meeting.” However, in the Irish case, the fact that the son is just like his father is only alluded to, but it is not exactly hidden either. The ring that Elatha gives to Ériu he takes off of his own finger. He then tells Ériu to give this ring only to the man whom it will fit. The only man whom the ring fits ends up being Elatha’s own son, Bres, and it would fit no other. With the context of the Indian version, it becomes clear that this is an illustration, as opposed to an outright statement, of the same fact that we find in the Indian case: that the son is identical to the father. The father’s ring fits only his son because his son is just like his father. Their fingers, as every other part, are perfect doubles. Their fingers are being used as synechdoches in this way, one part standing in for the whole. The full meaning of this Irish passage can indeed only be grasped by its comparison with the Indian case: it is not telling us that Bres has only a family resemblance to his father – it is telling us that Bres is his father’s double. And as his father Elatha is the golden-haired god wearing the golden circlets and clothing, a blatant solar figure, so Bres is also the Sun God, born again from his Sun God father.
10.The son is specifically said to be very beautiful upon his birth. “In time, a very beautiful son” is born, says the Indian text. So beautiful is Bres said to be upon his birth that he is named “Eochu Bres (that is, Eochu the Beautiful), because every beautiful thing that is seen in Ireland...will be judged in relation to that boy, so that people will then say of it, ‘It is a Bres.’”
11.A type of ring jewelry is given by the father to the son which marks him as son and double of the Sun God. Surya’s son, Karna, is born wearing earrings that make his face shine, along with a breastplate. It is implied that these come from his Sun God parentage, inborn gifts from his father that manifest his solar quality and show him as the son of the Sun. Elatha gives Ériu the ring upon Bres’ conception that Ériu later gives to Bres, which itself is a symbol of Bres’ identity with his father the Sun. Thus although Bres receives the ring later, while Karna has the earrings at birth, they carry the same meaning and provenance.
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