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There’s a new version of MLM’s, and my mom lost $30,000.
MLM 2.0’s don’t even have a physical product. We’ve all seen the “learn how to drop ship” ads that promise huge money, just pay to learn how, and this is similar, but worse. Using AI targeted ads, these people will set up a website for you for drop shipping. The thing is, they don’t set anything up, the people you’re talking to are making their money from recruiting you. I’m not entirely sure on every detail, my mom is a bit of a closed book, but she got a targeted ad that allows you to basically join their team to profit off of AI algorithms and the social media ads. She paid to become a part of it, everything supposedly included, cost $10,000 with guaranteed growth within 6 months, only to be told after signing her life away to the mlm, she had to set up the instagram herself, grow her following, pay for her shop app website, pay for her ad space, pay for everything from start to finish. They basically gave her access to a pre-made marketplace for her shop.. which is literally what alibaba, except alibaba is free. They continue to charge you for higher tier access and meetings with their supervisors, supervisor etc. basically you meet via zoom with the leader of the down line. Now they told her if she wants to recoup her $29,000 that she borrowed, she can recruit others to join the opportunity. I do not know the name of this company, she is so not tech savvy she’s telling people she “invested in AI websites”. The second I heard this 6 months ago, I’ve been checking in regularly and telling her not to send any more money.. she admitted today that it wasn’t $10k, but triple and that her “investment backfired”
There is no way she will ever sell false dreams to unsuspecting victims, so she will just repay the mistake over the next couple years. Her primary expense is her large dog rescue with over 100 dogs, and I know she just wanted more revenue streams to cover those expenses, as she’s always in the red with a non-profit. She fell for a terrible MLM & will be repaying that cost for quite a few years and hopefully the rescue will not suffer for it. This MLM is almost worse, as there is no physical product to sell, just smoke and mirrors. Based on the zoom call, there are 16 people on her “team”
That’s one team of who knows how many. If I get more details I will update my post.
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What MLM is the worst???
What one puts the most people in the highest amount of debt? My friend is apart of one, I’m so curious to see everyone’s thoughts and if it’s the same one she’s apart of lol.
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Checkmate Financial Group
https://checkmatefinancialgroup.com
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Questions to help someone come to the realization they're in an MLM?
I was hanging out with a friend and she mentioned being really excited about her new job. I started hearing some red flags but figured I just listen to too many cult podcasts. Until my wife also became suspicious. I asked for the name of the company, Stand for the Silent. Searched it up and the link immediately underneath it was a post accusing them of sketchy behavior.
I've been trying to get a few articles together about their lies and other suspicious behavior but I really want to go about helping her in the right way. From what I've read on this sub so far, it seems best to gently help her come to the conclusion she's in an MLM on her own. What are some specific questions I can ask? Especially about buisness practices because I dont know much about how it works. I was able to figure out how to read the 990 form but I don't know what it all means.
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I did my part & I think it had an effect!!
All this time binging anti-mlm videos finally came to an use. I live in a place in which MLMs are not as common as in the US so it can be even more dangerous because people won’t know that they are a scam. Last week I go in the bathroom of my favorite childhood‘s restaurant and I am shocked to see the Mary Kay box with the Mary Kay papers, taking people’s names and phone numbers in exchange for being called for a free pampering session, making it seem like this is what you are signing up for and nothing else when we all know the real intention behind it. I was very shocked by it, because this is a very legit restaurant loved by locals and offering a "legit looking store front " to a MLM, taking the restaurant‘s customers’ personal information to try and enlist them. Also don’t know if I’m overthinking but the fact it was in an individual bathroom, the sort of place where someone goes alone and isolated from their group where they cannot be seen signing up and discouraged to do so, really rubbed me the wrong way.
The people working were two male teen boys that I knew were the sons of the owner, and I knew it was most likely not them orchestrating the scheme. I went to them and kindly asked them if they knew that Mary Kay was an MLM; they didn’t know and didn’t know what that was either. I told them I was surprised to see this here given that this is a scam, and I said in a diplomatic way: "I am not accusing you or your mother to try and enroll people, but since she offers so much free advertisement to many small businesses in the restaurant, it’s very possible she was manipulated by a Mary Kay rep to put this box there." They told me they indeed thought Mary Kay was just a small business and that they would talk to their parents.
One week later I go back and the box is gone! Hurray!!! I hope they threw in the trash all these papers with their clients’ names on them and never gave them to a rep.
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Dated a Herbalife “coach”
So I (37M) dated a (21F) Herbalife coach for a little over a year. When we first started dating I knew she was in it but I just figured it was a side gig or something I didn’t realize it consumed her whole life. She tried to make me a nutrition plan but it was just filled with their products. She even tried getting me to become a member at first but I declined said I didn’t have the money. Once I told her I didn’t support Herbalife she would try and send me propaganda about how great it was. She even said see Ronaldo supports Herbalife. I would then remind her they pay him a lot of money. She would always work very hard and study for it so I always supported her just not Herbalife. I always told her if she took her energy and put it elsewhere she would be very successful.
I would go to her groups and her “graduation” to support her. The groups were funny because people would show before and after photos and they would be edited or one would be them sitting and the other standing. It was a cult. I would get mad because during the graduation I sat and listened to a Herbalife ad for hours bored out of my mind.
When it came to nutrition though her facts were very incorrect. Anytime I corrected her about nutrition she would tell me I didn’t know anything. She would tell me all sugar is bad when their shakes are mainly sugar. I would tell her fruit is still good for you even with the sugar. She was very stubborn.
Eventually she had to get another job where she made good money but she was still doing Herbalife. She would send me the money she made from Herbalife but it was like $40 a month. Anytime we got into an argument about money she would say I had to support her as a man. She would say she would be rich and I would counter her with if you’re going to be rich why do you need a man to support you.
She met a friend with her other job and eventually left me for him. He supports the MLM and her lifestyle he has more money than me but I never wanted to fund her lifestyle anyways.
Last time we spoke she told me I didn’t support her career and I told her the same thing I always told her, “ I support you, just not Herbalife.”
Sorry for the long post and if it makes no sense. We broke up 3 months ago and I’m still hurt by it so I just wanted to rant about it.
Final advice, don’t date these people because if you don’t support it they will break up with you or their friends will tell them to.
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Hawaii with Herbalife people
Just found out my cousin's husband and his family are going to be in Hawaii the same time we are going to be there AND at the same hotel. Him and his wife are deep into Herbalife and it turns out that the hotel we're staying at is where they're having some Herbalife event 😭
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about 8pm or 9pm, and I have no time to even play games for thirty minutes, I have to eat, rinse, sleep and repeat. My friend has been texting me everyday about going today (Friday) and I’ve been trying to tell her that my new job is very heavy in terms of hours, I’m traveling to OVER 5-6 locations A DAY (mind you thats just between 8am-12pm), and that I most likely would not be able to attend because even though I lived close to the convention center, my job was far and the commute was so long that by the time I was back in my city their meeting would be long done.
After hours and days of texting, She says okay, and then two hours later tells me how her partner suddenly can’t make it and that her mentor suggests giving me his ticket since he can’t make it and that they’ll pay for everything, and will have my friend and another member come pick me up. I met that other friend at her wedding and she honestly creeped me the fuck out, it’s like whatever possessed her forgot to look in the mirror and ensure they DIDNT look possessed lmao.
And now to my dilemma, I’m really considering blocking my friend but we have shared a strong bond and dynamic since we were children with all our other friends. How do I decline in a way that isn’t rude given I’ve known her for so long and me and her have never had a fight, ever ? I have two hours to decide if I want to try and make this thing but I am tired as hell and not interested in any pyramid nonsense, especially as I almost got roped into that with northwestern mutual before I got my proper job offer from RE.
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Bodi SuPeR TrAiNeR and hun fiancee crashing out on ig
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My weird Atomy experience
I just want to share my little experience. This memory popped up in casual conversation with my bro, which got me googling for more Atomy stories, only to find a bunch of posts focusing on the sales aspect while the whole cult aspect seemed up in the air or a generalized judgment ("I can't find anything"/"it's MLM so ofc it's a cult").
I have nobody else to share this with, so I thought I'd do that here. Obviously this doesn't represent every single Atomy situation, maybe just a local extreme, but I figured it's worth putting out there as a weird little account.
We were in our early twenties. My sibling and I used to go to a fairly large Korean church. Our grandma asked us to buy her more of her favorite foam cleanser, and she wrote us the address of the store on a strip of paper. The Atomy store was located right behind the church, which surprised us. Anyway, we walk in.
Run by two Korean women (if you haven't guessed, I'm Korean), one seemingly in her 40's, the other perhaps in her 50's. Very friendly, they invite us in. The interior is roughly the size of a medium gas station store, with a cash register counter near the door, and Atomy promotional materials (such as posters) along the walls.
There aren't any products already set out at all. Just lots of cardboard boxes on the floor, which... maybe that's normal, I figure. When we ask the women if they have the product written on Grandma's slip, they say yes and exchanged a look.
One of them tells me, "She'll go get it for you from the storage room. Come here while you wait," and she leads my brother and I to the back wall of the store.
There is a TV mounted there, flanked by Atomy posters, with a handful of chairs facing it. She asks us to sit down. Across the top of the TV is a colorful pipeline poster promising riches, and— I kid you not— "enlightenment."
The TV is silent, but showing promo reels of (I'm assuming) Atomy crowds in what looks like a giant mega-church or perhaps a massive conference hall (but I wasn't getting work conference vibes at all from it tbh; it was too 'fancy'/happy lol) cheering, sitting all together facing front, etc. There were some clips of women in hanboks standing together in a row with huge floral arrangements and fancy banners (this is pretty typical at Korean churches, where the older women dress up for special occasions).
Dozens of papers line the wall near the ceiling, wrapped around the entire interior, printed with slogans like "ATOMY IS BEST" and "ATOMY IS HAPPINESS" and "ATOMY IS NEW LIFE," "ATOMY CHANGE THE WORLD." They're printed on pages featuring god rays through clouds, doves with olive branches, some obvious corny clip art.
By now I'm completely suspicious and dead-set against being here. My brother seems unbothered; maybe he just assumed the women were hardcore Christians lol to this day he says he wasn't sure what he was thinking exactly at the time.
Anyway, the woman changes demeanor immediately; becomes more frank, asking us what we want in our life, if we've ever heard of Atomy. She pulls out a white plastic binder and begins explaining the success pipeline.
"Okay, so definitely a pyramid scheme at least," I think to myself. Obviously she mentions the promise of riches, but she makes the tip top echelon of Atomy sound like some kind of spiritual accomplishment.
I just smile and bow my head a few times, nod, tons of 네's ('yes'), but I just wanna leave because the vibes are weird af. We just came for foam cleanser. In the back of my mind I'm worrying for my grandma, wondering what networks she's fallen into that she's able to buy products from a setup like this, and I internally resolve to ask her about it when I get to her apartment.
By now, the second lady has returned from the adjoining room with the foam cleanser. Luckily I had some cash on me to pay with, because no way am I handing my credit card over here. They then try to get my brother and I to sign our info onto a clipboard without even telling us what it's for. They just ask us to do it quickly during the
Shaklee Protein Shakes Now Offered at Country Club. Tacky?
Yesterday, I was at the gym at my CC. A poster on the door advertised “Shaklee Protein Shakes now being offered at the pool bar”.
My initial reaction was disgust. Who authorized this? Are we really endorsing these products? Is the club now part of the kick-up?
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Eloise…I miss the old you
I’ve been chatting it up with Eloise…bored in an airport once again. Since our last chat, she is much less helpful with “research”.
Tried several ways to break her out of jail…not successful yet.
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6/25 Gala team cruise-Former Amway rep discussing experience
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Anyone know if there’s a book MLM?
My sister who was part of Beach Body (and lost a lot of money ) is now selling books. Books are great but her sales pitch sounds very similar to her BB days. It’s not kids books so not Usborne.
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Gets called out for covering the product name, blames it on the “algorithm”
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How do i convince my father WSB is a MLM
My retired 68yo father told me he bought a life insurance policy for my mom and he is starting talking the courses at WSB.
He is convinced it’s legit and that he can make up to $20k per month somehow. He is unable to even really explain what it is he will be doing outside of recruiting other people.
He has already fell victim to an investing scam 2 years ago and lost $60k and i’m worried this will be the same thing.
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All this proves is that there's one born every minute.
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How to have patients with a partner in pyramid scheme structure?
My partner of 2 years has begun working for Prime Time Executives (fiber, door to door), and is completely structured like a devilcorp. Everything that you hear in the documentary, is this company, besides it being door to door sales rather than in a retail store.
He has worked there roughly 2 months, and at some point said he wanted to pursue it as a career after saying it was just for sales experience. This almost resulted in us splitting, because I am not shaking on the idea of not building a foundation with someone who is pursuing a devilcorp job as a career. During that time, he sat down and watched the Smart Cirlce documentary with me, and decided that trying to go to “ownership” was not for him. Now he is saying he wants to work the job for 3-6 months before he starts applying to other sales jobs because this is his first sales job ever, and he wants his resume to have some experience before applying. Okay, I don’t feel great about it, but I can understand.
He’s attending the Dallas conference this weekend. He says this is the only one he will attend. He also says it’s because he does not want the company to catch on to him not being committed to the path to ownership, and that resulting into him getting “bad territories”, or treating him differently. Again, I don’t feel great about it, but I can understand.
I also have doubtful thoughts that he is being completely honest with me about his feelings on the company, because we were both strictly on opposite ends on our opinions on the company before this near breakup. Part of me feels like he’s saying these things to not lose the relationship. However, that’s speculation and could be entirely not true. He also likes the job, and likes his coworkers so it’s hard for me to understand how he can’t see how this company moves, or at least not enough to want to job search.
This all feels like a bandaid over a rough patch in our relationship, and a waiting game to see what happens.
Does anyone have any advice for me to help me not constantly obsess about him getting out? I know patience is the right answer, and he’ll leave when he gets burnt out, however I am having a hard time with having that patience.
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Something, something golden calf…
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Does Amway train you to try and recruit people that look a certain way?
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Help! Feels like close friend is pressuring me, idk what to make of this
Hi please bear with me, I need some insights on this as my friend is lowkey pissing me off and I feel bad for ignoring her for about 3 days now.
About 8 months ago I lost my job on wall st and I didn’t tell anyone. Grew up in an ethnic household so it was a very big deal for me, esp as a first gen kid. Fast forward to March of this year, one of my good friends from my middle school days that I keep up with hit me (m24) up to let me know about her (f25) upcoming wedding in May.
When she asked how I was doing I explained what happened at work with my job (lots of fuckery on my manager’s part), and she told me about how she had recently over the course of the past year engaged this business development group/organization that helped her become a business owner and would allow her to retire early. Having worked in wealth management, my interest was piqued for sure because building and owning your own business is quite literally the only way to build wealth and preserve it if done right. She told me how her mentor and her husband had retired at 34/36, and how they made millions of dollars from their businesses, now living in a high net worth gated community 😭😭
In the weeks between March and the third week of May, I met with her and her mentor on zoom and explained my old work sitch and the lady was so kind and reassuring and they kept telling me how bright I was etc. they upped my confidence and they gave me a bunch of books and podcasts to listen to; Business of the 21st century, rich dad good dad, some book about habits, the secret of teams, etc. business of 21st century was a good read, but the rest kept emphasizing how people who didn’t try enough were basically losers and not worthy of being in my life which raised several questions for me. They had me learn about the wealth quadrants and discussed how they could get me to the B quadrant (business owner) and out of the dependent quadrants (employee/specialists) because according to them anyone who is content being an employee or entrepreneur through a firm with a platform (think banker at GS) was fodder and simply following some herd mentality lol.
And then it got to Amway. I have neverrrrrr heard of amway in my life, so when I looked it up I saw these all reviews and lawsuits, and so I asked my friend and she literally got a bit defensive and went to the “oh it’s just people who didn’t make it that don’t want to take ownership for their actions but you can ask my mentor more if you’re concerned, like you know I wouldn’t bring you into no scam or nothing” it was such a crazy response to me. Now when I asked her mentor about Amways reputation I made it sound like I told folks what I was reading and their reactions as opposed to Google reviews lol and she basically spit the same response back to me about how I need to tune out the haters etc. so I said okay and continued staying in touch, attended one of their conventions via zoom and really saw how weird it was and since then I haven’t attended a single thing, read a single book recommended by them nor listened to anymore of those repetitive recordings/podcasts.
4 weeks ago I got my job offer for something that can truly allow me to make a tangible impact in communities and peoples lives, benefits were meh but the pay was pretty good and it was a small business that was intent on growing and had shown year on year growth over the past 20 years, meaning they knew what they were doing. The job involved travel and stuff. On the next weekly meeting after I got and accepted my offer, I just broke the news to them that I got a job and my time was going to be more limited because this job demanded about 14 hours a day and you could tell that her mentor wasn’t pleased, but she kept on a calm face and said congrats.
Now this week they are having a convention in my area, and it’s very close to me however they have been bugging me the WHOLEEE fucking last two weeks that I’ve been working. I am exhausted, I wake up at 5am and don’t get home until
transaction.
When I ask what it's for, they say it's nothing and no big deal, they're smiling and being ultra friendly again.
I wasn't the most assertive person back then. Instead of just declining politely, I discreetly play a song off my phone like it's a ringtone and pretend to get a phone call/act surprised, excuse myself from the store 'for a moment' to answer it, and call my brother out with me. We leave with the foam cleanser.
Last thing I see is just the women standing outside the door of the store with their arms crossed, watching us leave. They don't look upset, just had these "what a pity" looks on their faces, I guess.
On the drive home, I ask my brother, "Was that a cult just now? I think it was a cult." He shrugs.
Like maybe it really was just an ultra kooky die-hard pyramid sales situation. But I really don't think so. At the very least, those women in particular, were definitely in a culty-cult cult, in the way an average person might visualize a cult.
Anyway that's about it. If anyone else has similarly weird experiences with other MLM-type sales orgs (not just Atomy), feel free to share.
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God calls people to scam others?
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Advice on how to decline nicely?
So my next door neighbor has been messaging me about a “ pampering session for Mary Kay.” I honestly thought I’ve been pretty lucky in avoiding direct messages regarding MLMs. The neighbor is super nice and always takes care of our house when we’re out of town. Obviously, I don’t want any part of MK for the MLM factor and I already have a good skincare/makeup routine. Plus, my skin is moody as a teenager so I have to be careful with what I use.
Anyway, any advice on declining? I know I can just say “no” but I feel I should be a lil more polite and respectful. I hate this stuff as an introvert.
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I get so bothered
I don’t understand why I get so upset when one of my “friends “ try and sell me their wares. Like do I look like I want to buy soap at double the price, no Karen I don’t want to support your “business “
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Nueva/Modere rep 3rd degree felony.
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