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Girl from high school hit me up after 8 years and it was obviously a pyramid scheme pitch
Got a DM on Instagram last week from someone I barely knew in high school. We maybe talked twice ever. Message was like "hey girl! hope you're doing well! would love to catch up sometime!"
Should've known right then but I was bored so I responded. We chatted for like two days, normal small talk stuff. Then she asks if we can hop on a call to "discuss an opportunity."
Oh no.
Got on the call and within 3 minutes she's talking about financial freedom and being your own boss and how she's made $40k in the past 6 months working part time from home.
Asked her what company. She dodged the question. Asked what the product is. More dodging. Finally she's like "it's not about the product it's about the business model" and I just knew.
Primerica. It's always Primerica.
She wanted me to pay $99 to "get licensed" and then I could start "building my team." I said no thanks. She got pushy. Sent me income screenshots that were obviously fake. Testimonials from her "team."
Asked my budget app to look at my finances and tell me if I could afford to lose $99 on a scam just to make her go away. It said no lol. So I just told her I'm not interested.
Now she's sending me motivational quotes every day and acting like we're still friends. "Just wanted to check in!" with a bunch of emojis. Girl we weren't friends in 2016 and we're not friends now.
Blocked her yesterday after she sent me a voice message about how I'm "letting fear hold me back from my dreams."
My dream is to not get scammed by someone I haven't talked to in almost a decade thanks.
Why do these people always come out of nowhere and act like you're best friends? It's so weird. Thanks to this sub. I could easily identify the scam here.
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The time I was called homewrecker for not joining amway
Tldr: I got lured into a friends amway pitch and when not joining got accused of trying to sabotage my friends marriage.
This was some 18 years ago, i had a friend whom i met years prior through playing Diablo online. We met a few times in real life and had a very pleasant friendship. Him and his fiancé visited when they travelled past my state, I went and got wedding stuff with the fiancé, we had gaming nights online etc. We didn’t live in the same county so it was sporadic.
One of these times I was travelling past, my friend mentioned that they were hosting a ”business-meeting” and if I wanted to come since I had started my own business. I was working as a graphic consultant, and though ”wow, how fun with like-minded people”, but when questioning what the meeting was actually about he just vaguely said that his mentor was going to teach ”business”? ”As in? Taxes? How to be freelancing? What?” No, just business apparently.
Anyhow, I went, sat there though this weird culty -buzzwordsy- nothingspeech of no substance and felt weird. This was in Sweden and I had never heard of MLMs, so I sat there listening without objections, smiling politely. When they asked me afterwards if i wanted to join I said I already ran a registered business, so I am good, and the whole room kind of got quiet. Movie-style collective draw of breath. Since i was staying with my friend that evening I couldn’t do much more than stick it out, getting side eyed all afternoon. Anyhow, evening arrived and my friend and his then wife was so weird. I tried to compliment random things, like ”oh, this kitchen knife was really easy to use” ”YOU SHOULD BUY THE SET, WE CAN HOOK YOU UP”. When asked if I could borrow shampoo it was again, ”this shampoo is amazing you need to get the set! You should sign up, nownownow” etc. So oddly pushy. I tried to gently say I was happy as I were, and glad they found something they liked.
Next day his mom arrives, takes me aside and starts ripping me a new one because she just knew I was this horrible homewrecker, here to steal her son from his wife, she had seen the ”advances” I made all the day before, my ”longing looks” (what the actual?!😅), my desire to rip their marriage apart, and pretty much forced me to leave the house. She was nasty! As I have come to understand she was their upline.
Just for clarification, there were definitely no looks of desire.
Sadly that was the end of that friendship.
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Worried for my friend who joined Amway... and has tried to recruit me
TLDR: What's a good way to start the conversation about suggesting this may not be a great idea to join Amway even though she's already very much convinced that it's the best?
It's been a while since I've seen my sweet friend but I just got to come to town to visit her again and we got chatting about the text she sent me weeks ago regarding joining a "e-commerce business opportunity". She wouldn't go into further details and asked if she could send my number to her "mentor" to reach out, I said yes out of curiosity.
Her "mentor" texts me this long blurb about how my friend has "earned their trust" and that they're "taking on a select few people" and eventually asked if I supported MLMs. I texted back that I didn't think it was for me and got a big text and long voice note back essentially saying that it's fine that I'm not interested but that I should take advantage of the opportunity and hop on a call. My friend let me listen into a call just now and I gathered the key terms for their tiers (emerald, diamond, eagle) and started doing my research. I quickly discovered this is Amway and I'm pretty concerned for her.
She's a new mom and struggling financially with her partner, very much in debt and has had to borrow all of the money to pay for this "business" and for her "business trip" (amounting to a few thousand) to go to the USA (we're in Canada) for their company conference called "Family Reunion". My experience of MLMs has only been from when I was a kid and when my mom got sucked into them and spent a lot of money and forced me as a child to help her recruit and it was a major factor that caused our relationship to end (amongst other things).
Quite concerned also that my friend thinks as a "Independent Business Owner" under Amway, she can't write off all of these expenses but I dont think she's registered as a business in the government or has this limited income taxed at all so these thousands dollar "write offs" for this conference or business coffee meetings with recruits are actually legally legitimate. Send help.
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“Just swallow it.”
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Serious Question. Has there ever been a study of mental illness and the using/buying into MLM's?
Hi all,
I am seriously wondering this: has anyone ever done a study of how mental illness may or may not play a part into involvement/usage of MLM's (and/or their products)? I notice in quite a few posts by various 'Huns' that many have either wording/verbiage that refers to mental illness, or there are other clues from pictures and such. Quite often the most vulnerable are the biggest victims. I have to admit to feeling sadness and empathy for those who get sucked into MLM's AND seem to have mental issues. What are everyone else's opinions/thoughts?
https://redd.it/1rof251
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In Monat that top 5% makes you around 3k a year.
https://redd.it/1rnuzo2
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“Bravenly isn't a quick fix” CEO claims to lose 30lbs in 6 weeks, another claim of 33lbs in that time, over night weight loss, etc. That’s water and muscle mass loss hun, have fun with aging.
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The month end desperation continues.
https://redd.it/1rhdp0h
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This is the same as people starving so they can help buy a new private jet for a televangelist. For the live of Lestat, stop funding Cooters lifestyle!
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Performance Windows
I saw a post about them a while back asking if this was an MLM and I wanted to shed some light on it.
Performance Windows does 99% of their sales via door to door salesman. These salesman are simply volunteers until they make an actual sale - meaning it is 100% commission. There is no paperwork involved in getting hired. No application, no tax papers to fill out, no IDs to check, nothing. Well, there might be a handshake and a "welcome aboard" but that's it.
Their sales pitch is aggressive and are taught to ignore all soliciting signs and when the customer says "no". This results in a lot of angry people slamming doors in their faces vowing to never do business with them. The salesman CANNOT go off script. If a customer asks a question that is not within the script, they are told to tell them they can't answer that right now but if they set up an appointment, someone can. Going off script is highly frowned on. The crew meets before going out to knock and acts out different scenarios and how to avoid and pivot. Most scenarios are from actual encounters from another sales person, perhaps from the previous day or so.
The pitch is not a lie, but it is deceptive. The wording is very carefully crafted, which again, is why you cannot go off script. They don't want you to say something and then they can't back it up and make a sale. They tell EVERYONE their home will be a model. However, once they get a sale or two in a neighborhood, they bounce. Can't have every house on the street with a "model home for Performance Windows" sign in the front yard. They have to sell that illusion. And they don't care what the house looks like. As long as they made a sale, it's now a model home. Also, their "sale" for today only is a lie. It's every day. They also focus on the elderly. It's easier to pressure them to purchase new windows they didn't really need.
I can't speak if their Windows are over priced or not as I've never done Windows replacements on my own home, so I'm no expert in pricing. However, they must be overpriced because when the salesman DOES make a sale, they get a huge payout. The payout is split between the salesperson, the closer, the installers, and the market director. The salesman usually receives a minimum of $1k up to $20k depending on how big the sale was, the next levels up receive more. When you sell at cost windows 30% off, no way you could continue paying those kind of commissions to those involved. Which leads me to believe, they are not truly "at cost".
The sales people lean on recruiting HARD. If someone they recruit gets a sale, they get a small slice of the pie as well. Hence, where an MLM is starting. However, I still wouldn't call this an MLM, just a shady business with a few MLM tactics. A lot of the recruiters and transplant sales people live together. Seems like a lot of them are friends of friends and a lot of "college dudes" who partied together.
The company does yearly conventions for their top sales people and market directors/owners. They also take their top people to Mexico for vacation every year. Like a yearly business retreat I guess.
The owners are Mormons from Utah which explains why they focus heavily on door to door tactics and the ignoring of no solicitation signs. Also explains the hints of MLM tactics since Utah seems to be the motherlode of MLMs.
Consensus, not a standard MLM business in my opinion. However, I do find it shady to hire people with zero paperwork to fill out. I also find it shady to sell "at cost" Windows while somehow paying extravagant salaries to the sales team.
This is all from my personal experience by the way. Maybe it was just the market I was in, but it seems like this is how the do business across the board in multiple states.
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MLMs in your Country
Here in Ireland MLMs never took off. My logic for this is that in Ireland we would just slag someone who was posting and shilling so much that they would not be encouraged enough to do it.
I went to work once in a cardigan with a letter on it and was called high school musical for the day. Another time I wore a trench coat and was called inspector gadget.
Is there anyone on here from a country that they did or didn't take off and what do you think the reason is?
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“Nasty Money.” It looks like two Huns are claiming ‘ownership’ of this ‘original’ catchphrase.
https://redd.it/1rb218c
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Limelife targeting teachers. Teachers do your own research, please and thank you.
https://redd.it/1rawf63
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Back at it... Former Scentsy folks?
Hi everyone! First a request, then an update.
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Request!
Thanks to everyone who told me their Mary Kay stories. You all are making this work possible and I am so grateful for your cooperation. I am still hoping to speak to 2-3 more folks who did Mary Kay in the past, but I am also moving forward and looking to interview folks who did Scentsy. If that's you and you're down for a zoom talk to tell me your story, send me a DM or email me at nmuffi2@uic.edu
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Updates!
I'll be doing a conference at the end of the month about Mary Kay and the Limits of Corporate Feminism and the stories of both current and former MK consultants are critical for demonstrating that even in the best of circumstances (which are few), women are sold a narrative that they can have it all (family, friends, fortune) while ultimately having to make difficult choices that often betray their reasons for joining.
I also have a short and sweet article out about some observational work I did. It's linked here, but behind a paywall: https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/15365042251386829
If you would like a PDF, you can email me at nmuffi2@uic.edu.
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Do you like being broke? If not better join my MLM! 🤦♂️🤣
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Be well
Melaleuca renamed their company? And keep claiming they are not mlm 🙄 and isn’t there a minimum of like $80 a month or something to keep that membership? I was sucked in years ago and never again!!!
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Anybody know about these weird solicitors at Barnes and Noble who tried to recommend that I read "Rich Dad, Poor Dad"?
I thought this might be a good subreddit for this. For my own background, let me say I know about Robert Kiyosaki and I read "Rich Dad, Poor Dad" a long time ago. I know how the advice is poor and generic, how Kiyosaki went bankrupt and is obsessed with increasing his debt etc.
So, I was at a Barnes and Noble just browsing books near the business section. This guy dressed in a black jacket and shirt strikes up a conversation with me, asks what I'm reading, what I like to read and so on. Meanwhile, his partner, dressed the same, is walking around the same area until he finds somebody else and starts talking to them. The guy talking to me asks about my work, and then starts talking all about how great it is to stop working for others, start your own company, be your own boss, and that anybody can do it if they have the right guidance or mentor. At this point, I just ask him to get to the point and tell me what he and his friend want people to join or buy. He says they're not selling anything, they just want me to consider reading self-improvement "mindset" books, and that they specifically recommended that people read "Rich Dad, Poor Dad."
I was honestly surprised to hear that all he wanted to say to me was that I should read "Rich Dad, Poor Dad." I thought for sure he was part of some weird religious movement like the Ahn Sanghong people, or just convincing people to join an MLM. But nope! Him and his partner just want people to read Robert Kiyosaki? Is Robert Kiyosaki actually paying people to convince others to buy his books? That would be just unbelievably hilarious and ironic. So, does anybody know if that's true, or who the hell those guys are working for?
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Spotted in a local buy/sell group. I wonder why they split!
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Frustrated w/the amount of posting
I'm super frustrated but feeling guilty at the same time. One of my closest friends has been sucked in and the amount of posting she does on the products has me THISCLOSE to unfollowing her.
At first she claimed she was only going to do it for the discount. But then she started to grow her team. Now she's working towards incentives and in order to meet the goals, she has been nonstop posting on all social media forms about the product. Like no where on her socials is anything about her or her life anymore. The text messages are always about new team members, can I come to one of her set ups, can I place an order.
She was in a really weird place before starting this and now she seems to be happier (?), motivated, more social, so I feel terrible that this annoys me so much. I also don't hate the product and do use it occasionally 🙄 (solely because I can't find anything that lasts as well), but it is becoming Too Much and I'm struggling as to how to proceed. I know if I say something, she will spiral... just frustrated and confused.
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Anyone heard of Beneve?
I’ve started seeing people shilling this claiming they are losing weight. They’re posting testimonies of people swearing it works. Anyone used it?
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Unfortunately, the cooter hun made her goal, and those who won't benefit from it are congratulating her. Check this space next month when she pulls this shite again.
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The ven diagram of MLM boss babes, people who believe the earth is flat, and people who lie about their income on the internet is actually just a perfect circle.
https://redd.it/1rgooa0
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Can Kangen water be harmful?
My mum bought Kangen water around a year ago. Her friend advertised it and roped her into buying it. She convinced one person to buy it (her friend) by raving about the health benefits. She did not tell anyone that she plan to buy an expensive machine that makes water acidic or alkaline; and she SHAMED everyone in the house into drinking from it. I thought nothing of it because water has a certain acidity level and I will drink the safest acidity level. She does not speak English and she has very limited education. If it is harmful, I would love to show her proof (iPhone translation is very helpful).
I hope it’s not the water but I am getting sicker. I hope it’s age and lifestyle. Today, the water is sour/ metallic tasting. I’m currently taking antibiotics and one of the side effects is change of flavour so I thought it was me but I drank tap water… it’s the Kangen bs.
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Longer & thicker? She is thick, absolutely. The hair, not so much 🤔
https://redd.it/1rgzrac
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After several shootings and stabbings in the area, this local Primerica hun wants to capitalize off the tragedies
https://redd.it/1rbart4
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Pixie Sticks to cure ADHD
https://redd.it/1rb2bky
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Cristiano Ronaldo Invests $7.5 Million Into Herbalife
Just saw this article:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/martinadilicosa/2026/02/19/cristiano-ronaldo-invests-75-million-into-herbalife-stock-surges/
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Intentional beef
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