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The resemblance was there in S1
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Show Stannis Never Wins
First post in this community, I think. But one of my thoughts was that show Stannis always sacrifices the most for it to never pay off.
Robert’s Rebellion - Storm’s End
Dawg if my men and I were starving to the point where we ate boiled leather, not a single neuron of yours would even think about telling me that I couldn’t rule that area. And yet, because Stannis was the most reliable, he ended up on doom and gloom ass Dragonstone because he could be trusted to hold down the fort.
War of the Five Kings - The Iron Throne
GOT does what it needs to do as far as continuing this theme for Stannis in real time. Off the top of my head, Stannis:
1. Investigates Lannister illegitimacy with Jon Arryn, only for Jon to be poisoned. Even if Robert lived, Stannis’s word is less valuable to him alone, as he would immediately be considered a throne chaser. He was not safe in the court with such treachery, and knew that King’s Landing was a ticking time bomb for someone like him.
2. Is acknowledged by a credible source to be the rightful heir, only for Ned to revoke his statement and be killed in the same hour. Anybody with common sense (rare I know) understood that Ned wouldn’t try to usurp the throne, especially since his daughter was already betrothed to the prince-turned-king. Ned’s voice mattered, and positioned Stannis’s rule to be backed at least by the North. Removing that voice did irreparable damage to his justification, because now no one spoke for an honorable succession, they only spoke for what could benefit them.
3. Converts to a religion believing he was the Prince That Was Promised that was actually not him. Regardless of whether you believe it was Jon Snow or Daenerys, we know that it is not Stannis’s dead ass in the show. He sacrificed everything for this belief. He would not merely sit the throne; he would save the realm. That was his ultimate duty, except it wasn’t his.
4. Sacrifices his daughter to win, just for him to lose anyway. Easily the most tragic part of his tale—he thought that the Lord of Light required the sacrifice of his blood, the one he loved most. Thus far it worked, so surely he would be rewarded when it mattered most? Yet he was wrong, meaning all the bloodshed was for naught. What’s worse: his daughter’s survival was a miracle, and she developed cunning and mental fortitude in spite of her trials. She could have ruled, had Stannis not killed her.
I can’t hate Stannis because I can understand where he came from. When you are lucid enough to know the consequences of others’ failures, and wise enough to anticipate war, it is a heavy burden to carry. His own life was at risk, and he trusted himself to get the job done, but he also trusted destiny, which cannot be relied upon by man.
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Stannis Bannockburn
Imagine if Stannis didn’t march like an idiot to get slaughtered by the boltons but created a pike army with wood from outside winterfell and did a braveheart. Imagine how epic it would have been if his men were faltering but stannis, at the front, used his mannis special ability to keep them in line and at the last minute they lifted their pikes and ended the bolton cavalry. One can dream
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Eastwatch.
\-Instead of going back to the Wall Catelyn has another vision of Beric saying her children are in danger, so she instead returns to Winterfell to reunite with Sansa Arya & Bran and helps with the collective realization that Petyr orchestrated the entire War
\-Catelyn comes in at the end of Petyrs trial much to his shock and bewilderment and is the one to deduce that the dagger Littlefinger claimed to her belonged to Tyrion actually belonged to him all along and is especially scournful to him for murdering her sister.
\-Catelyn is the one to slice Petyrs throat with the dagger for his betrayal.
\-Brienne has a reunion with Catelyn at the beginning of S8 and apologizes for failing her only for Cat to say that if anything she’s the one who failed
\-Catelyn has a tense reunion with Tyrion at Winterfell and also helps Jon negotiate with the Mormonts regarding the alliance with Daenerys but voices doubts regarding the Lannisters army and whether it will arrive.
\-Aryas scene with Gendry has her also introducing him to her mother before she leaves with the Brotherhood to ride to Last Hearth to seek aid from Ned Umber.
\-Catelyn helps defuse the tensions between Tormund and Edds group at Last Hearth and is the one the burn Ned Umber as a wight.
\-Upon Catelyns return she is outraged to see Jaime and holds him against a tree at swordpoint but Sansa commands her to stop to show she is now the true Lady Stark of Winterfell.
\-Jaime apologizes to Cat for everything his foolish affair with his sister has done to her family, and notes that her daughters got back to her on there own.
\-Jon tells Cat how Benjen was the one who saved him, leading to Cat fully embracing Jon as her son
\-Catelyn takes Berics place in the Battle Of Winterfell as the one to sacrifice herself to save Arya from the Wights and dies her final death when Arya slays the Night King and is burned the next day.
\-Catelyn now being gone for good makes the Stark familys declaration that they are the last of the starks more impactful
Phew! Thats a lot I’m sure but I just had this idea/outline for a while now and wanted to share it, lemme know what ya’ll think? Would the last 3 seasons be improved at all in any of your guys’s eyes with this inclusion?
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Do you think if Theon had balls he would’ve been able to take out TNK?
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Whats ur fav danerys quote ?
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Why HBO’s Next Masterpiece Needs to Be "Game of Thrones: Blood of the First Men" A 3-Season Epic Blueprint (photos, below of House DAYNE 1-THEIR ANCESTRAL SEAT ON STARFALL. 2-The sword of the morning forged from the meteorite.. 3-last but not least the sacking of old town. By Samwell Dayne.
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JonCon
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I made a Son of the Harpy in Spore (2008). I gave him a knife, a spear, robes and sandals. Did I do well?
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Sigils iv drawn part 1
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If House Baratheon is you design inspection
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Anyone doing a GOT Halloween costume?
If you are please post a pic😊 I am rewatching right now thinking what a scary and cool costume Knight King is!
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Question Re: S8E03 Battle of Winterfell Fan Edits?
Are there any good fan edits of S8E03 "Long Night" that have made the Battle of Winterfell scenes enjoyable / visible?
I know, I'm coming to the party late on this one. Just thought about it the other day. I do know how to find a boat with a skull on the mast, if the answer lies there ...
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Originally, Daenerys' speech about "breaking the wheel" was supposed to happen in Season 3, in the episode "The Rains of Castamere," in a scene with Barristan. The dialogue was cut and reused in Season 5 in a scene with Dany and Tyrion. This is the dialogue from the scene in the original script
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Probably the worst adaptation imo, what are some other examples come in our mind?
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The MCU's Infinity Stones end up in Westeros, each landing in one of the Seven Kingdoms. Which characters would be best suited to find and use each one, and which would be worst suited to find them?
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What is wrong with Falia Flowers?
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Was Robert initially meant to be king after the rebellion ?
Title. When the rebellion initially started did Robert ever come out and say “I will be the new king after this”? Or could any one of Ned, Robert, or maybe even Jon Arryn have declared themselves king once the war was over?
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Lady Stoneheart in the show
Catelyn was easily my favorite character in Seasons 1-3 so I was pretty sad she got killed off in such a horrific way and even more so when I found out in the books she gets revived to take revenge on the Freys as the badass Lady Stoneheart.
Personally, I think the ideal way they could have had Michelle Fairley return as Lady Stoneheart while keeping the show largely similar but having a lot more impactful scenes with Catelyn is by having her take over Beric Dondarrions role in Seasons 6-8, he’s cool, but having Catelynn as the leader of the brotherhood would make many scenes way better imo.
In general this version of Lady Stoneheart would probably be quite different from the books version, she’d be able to talk for one, just a bit more hoarse than usual, and wouldn’t be quite as ruthless, she’d still be Catelyn, but she would be far less noble and acts much more standoffish and crass, willing to do whatever to get revenge honor be damned, only warming up around her trueborn children. She’d also would be a much better fighter after a long time training with the brotherhood to use a flaming sword like Beric did.
So essentially just replace Beric in all his scenes with Catelyn, with the characters naturally reacting in appropriate ways to see her alive and the dialogue being adjusted to match her instead of “miserable shit” Beric.
Extra scenes & small differences would include:
\-Brotherhood is mentioned as being led by the mysterious “Lady Stoneheart” when it is discussed by the Freys
\-The name stems from her encouraging the Riverfolk to be resiliant and fearless in the face of certain death to withstand the Freys tyranny
\-Sandor is offered a place in the brotherhood only after he tells Catelyn of how he helped her daughter Arya
\-The brotherhood dont ride north yet as they dont know about the coming threat of the White Walkers
\-Jaqen H’Ghar says to Arya he’s arranged for her to meet with someone she knows but wont expect when she arrives in Saltpans before she leaves
\-An extra scene in the S6 finale has Arya encounter Sandor & the brotherhood and try to run until she comes across her mother and they share a tearful reunion
\-Another extra scene has mother and daughter catching each other up before Arya reveals her face-swapping ability which Catelynn realizes will allow them to take full revenge on the Freys
\-Lady Stoneheart is the one who kills and bakes Walders sons into a pie and confronts him while he is eating it, giving a speech about his betrayal and showing him what she has done in response before Arya slices his throat while she watches in a mirror of her own death.
\-Aryas poisoning of the Frey heirs is accompanied by Lady Stoneheart, the Hound, the brotherhood, and an army of battle ready Riverfolk massacring the Frey Garrison outside much like how they did to Robbs army in a great offscreen bloodbath that is shown when Arya exits the castle.
\-Catelyn accomponies Arya to the inn and meets hot pie but refuses to go with her when she wishes to go to Winterfell now that its been liberated, choosing revenge against the lannisters much to Aryas disappointment.
\-An extra scene has Catelyn have a dream about Beric who tells her that the next coming war will be in the north. She awakes and a conversation with Sandor about Arya convinces her to ride north after all.
\-Arya tells Sansa their mother is alive
\-The scene with the brotherhood riding to the wall and coming across the destroyed farm is moved to a later episode to signify the long journey
\-Petyr tries manipulate Sansa into believing Aryas claim about their mother is a lie, as he does not believe it himself.
\-Jon is much more eager to have the brotherhood join them upon seeing Catelyn is their leader, and the scene about discussing death is a lot more impactful with it being Catelyn & Jon considering their history and what they now share in common.
\-Catelyn is devastated at being forced to leave Jon behind to escape on Drogon and is very relieved to see him returned to them alive at
Spoilers My modified version of the ending of Game of Thrones.
>!In my ending, Jorah Mormont would end the reign of Denaerys Targerayan!<
>!Please rate the ending, any constructive criticism is much appreciated!<
>!Season 8 e 3 buildup!<
>!Jorah Mormont cuts through the undead horde to protect Daenerys in the chaotic courtyard. Nearby, Brienne takes a fatal blow meant for Jorah and gasps, "Protect the realm," before being pulled into the dark. Fueled by grief, Jorah pulls Daenerys to safety just as Arya shatters the Night King.!<
>!After the burning of Kings landing!<
>!Tyrion stands shattered in the smoking ruins of King's Landing and warns Jorah that Daenerys is a tyrant. Jorah, completely flabbergasted..secretly agrees realizes what he must do to stop the madness. When Jorah asks about a plan, Tyrion replies “No promises."!<
>!Throne room!<
>!Jorah approaches Daenerys by the shattered throne, addresses her as "Khaleesi," and kills her with a Valyrian steel dagger during a final, tragic embrace. Drogon prepares to incinerate Jorah in revenge, but Jon steps in the way and stands completely unburnt as the dragonfire splits harmlessly around his Targaryen blood. Denied his vengeance, Drogon melts the Iron Throne into slag and flies away into the eastern clouds with Daenerys's body.!<
>!Bound in chains, Jorah returns the ancestral greatsword Heartsbane to Samwell Tarly as a final gift before kneeling at the execution block. Grey Worm and the refuses to finish the job shocked by the realization that the Queen's truest protector chose to end her cause. Honoring Ned Stark's law that the man who passes the sentence must swing the sword, Jon draws Longclaw and executes Jorah.!<
>!Aftermath!<
>!King Aegon Targaryen stands weary by the window of the council chamber as Tyrion hands him a goblet of wine. Tyrion looks down at the courtyard below and murmurs, "You would've done the same, Jon Snow." Jon looks back at him with hollow eyes a!<nd replies, "He was like my father—an honorable fool."
TLDR
>!Brienne dies saving Jorah at Winterfell. In the ashes of King's Landing, Jorah stabs Daenerys out of mercy, calling her "Khaleesi." Jon Snow saves Jorah from Drogon by standing unburnt in the dragonfire, proving his Targaryen lineage before the beast melts the throne. Jorah returns Heartsbane to Samwell Tarly and faces execution; Grey Worm refuses out of respect, forcing Jon to behead him to uphold Ned Stark's law. King Aegon Targaryen rules alongside Tyrion,!< >!remembering Jorah as an "honorable fool."!<
Original idea by myself. Ai was only used to correct grammar as English is not my main language, I apologise if the translation are not correct.
Gracias.
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S4 ep10 is a very bad episode
Everybody in this episode just starts being dumb for no reason.
\- Brianne turns into a kidnapper and murderer out of no where. Every episode before this she was noble, she was never an attack first ask questions later. This episode she was bloodlusted for no reason, and then wants to force Arya to come with her. She has never forced anyone to do anything before but this episode she decides she wants to murder someone and kidnap a child while wearing Lannister armor.
\- Tyrion gets out of imprisonment by the help of his brother, he could leave unnoticed, but nope he decides to go back and have some words with his father, who clearly wants him dead and always wanted him dead. Where are his father’s guards btw? Absolute horrible writing.
\- Brans mentor just lays on the ground and lets himself get stabbed, dudes not even paralyzed but just lays there. The children of the forest just allows this to happen even though they have a man in the tree with foresight who could’ve literally let them go and save Brans whole team before anything even happened.
Idk this is probably one of the worst written episodes I have ever seen and it’s very apparent the writers didn’t know how to make the plot move forward without all these bad decisions.
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After everything Sansa went thru with Ramsay, you think she wishes she just let Tyrion smash?
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Between these two options, who would you rather play Visenya Targaryen? Millie Brady or Anya Taylor Joy, honest opinions, Working on a Fancast for The Conquest movie and can’t decide
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Sigils iv drawn part 2
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How do people genuinely love jon and hate dany or love dany and hate jon?
Finished game of thrones for the first time and i was scrolling through tiktok edits, and im seeing people arguing over whos better and its so stupid. I dont understand it.
Also im seeing a A LOT of people defend dany’s actions at king landing. i absolutely loved dany shes one of my favorites but what she did was not reasonable, justifiable or “necessary” which i kept seeing people say.
People are arguing about who’s azor ahai, the prince/princess that was promised.
Also saw a few people saying that jon snow isnt a Targaryen in the books but from what i know its heavily hinted at and foreshadowed.
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The Fall Of The Dragons Should Have Been Adapted Next — Not Aegon’s Conquest
Starting from the rise of Aerys and Tywin to them splitting apart and the Mad Kings descent into madness after Duskendale all the way through the Tourney of Harrenhal with the laughing night and Robert’s Rebellion is way more interesting, fleshed out, and deeper emotionally than Aegon taking over.
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anybody dressing up as their favorite Game of Thrones character for Halloween and if you are, who are you dressing up as?
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Recently completed watching GOT🫠
Same.
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Would you really be satisfied if the story were finished by another author?
My point is that, unlike films, comics, or games, a book is such an intimate, solitary endeavor that, in my view, handing the reins over to someone else effectively turns the result into nothing more than fan fiction. Could Brandon Sanderson write a continuation? Sure. Could Stephen King take a crack at it? Who knows. Maybe I’ll even try my hand at it myself? Perhaps every fantasy writer should give it a try, and then the fans can choose the canonical version?
Regardless of who writes it, it won’t be George R.R. Martin’s story—not least because, at this moment, even he doesn’t know exactly what he wants to tell—nor will it capture his writing style. Then again, perhaps I’m just biased; I’d be curious to hear your thoughts. But as I said, a book is such a deeply personal medium that, for me, changing the author is essentially the same thing as a reboot.
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Rewatched GoT and the last season was… not that bad this time?
I’m not sure why but I didn’t hate season 8 at all this time around. I’m not sure if all the other opinions last time influenced me to hate it the first time. Or maybe I’m older and not as… invested anymore?
I kind of enjoyed it. It had its cringy moments but all in all I’m not too disappointed.
Anyone had a similar experience? Or am I just an idiot?
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