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before the massacre. He may have passed that information to an organisation interested in controlling or suppressing the knowledge.
The Amyr are one possible explanation for who he was working with, but this is still speculation.
The main question is whether Abenthy was sent to discover what Arliden knew, or whether he already knew what he was looking for before he ever joined the troupe.
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Could Kvothe Fly to the Moon? How?
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My theory on book 3
I figure I'd just give my take on the topic as well. As we all (sadly) know at this point it is very unlikely that 15 years into the wait we get the surprise of a book 3 being released.
Statistically I would guess someone in this forum has already guessed how it ends, but still we would all like an official version.
What I think will happen is one or two things:
1. The first and best outcome is that Pat has parked aside writing, probably enjoying life and caring for his children. When they grow up they will eventually read their dad's books, and if they like them will rush him to finish the story. If all goes well we might either get it from him or perhaps one day from his kids much like Tolkien or other famous writers. Still bittersweet as at that point many of us might not be there to enjoy it and/or it would be a draft version of what it could have been.
2. The second but sadly plausible option is that Pat has succumbed to his struggle with mental disease, has also lost contact with his kids, or has been removed from their life, and is in a downward spiral that ends in isolation, addiction or worse.
At this point I think it's a coin toss, but I'm rooting for option 1 because as a parent I would like to leave a completed legacy to my children, even if I wasn't around, I would like them to be my audience down the road, take a little piece of what I built, and for that it should be something that is complete. Fingers crossed.
Would love to hear other points of view.
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Is there any fanfic?
With so many theories over the years has anyone attempted a closure to the story? Or is there any other fanfics that are worth reading?
I have read only the two main novels. And haven't read the novellas yet
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A fun Halloween TinFoil hat for those who want to wear it. 🎃
Hello errybody, I want not going to post this. But coincidentally I made this connection 2 days ago while chatting with a friendly user (shoutout to Liz) and since it happened to be Halloween I would like to share it with y'all. Since it's synchronous.
Let's begin by stating somethings we can all take as valid.
✓ This book is about stories and truths within stories, songs, children's rhymes and folklore.
✓ There is a quote “I honestly cannot think of how I could describe it. Lying would be easier. I could steal from a hundred stories and tell you a lie so familiar you would swallow it whole.”
✓ Given how all stories are one story, I am saying that Pat has taken from our real world stories, songs, popculture and included them in the books.
So if you believe that, here's the hat you can examine:
The Jack O Lantern Folklore
Summary, there is a trickster boy (in others a drunkard) who is very clever. He sells his soul to the devil but when the devil comes to collect he tricks him by asking him to turn into a coin to pay his tab but then puts him in his pocket. He only let's the devil go once the devil promises to never take his soul. After many years Jack dies but Heaven won't accept him because of his tricks. And the Devil won't take him because of his promise, so Jack is forced to wander for eternity. He is given a turnip by the devil which he carves out and makes into a lantern to keep with him and light his eternal wanderings.
The story differs in our world with different versions but the gist is the same.
So Jack = Jax = Iax = Haliax = Lanre
Haliax is forced to tarry eternally, neither being allowed to sleep not die. Same as Jack.
What happens to Lanre? Lanre Turns! Lantern 🎃 I know, I know...please don't groan.
This ties into the Devil = The Tinker = Chathae = Selitos
Further more, if you have read this far I have an EVEN SHINIER hat for you:
Kilvins Ever Burning Lamp. The Lantern from Jacks story is with him to burn eternally. So the ever Burning lamp is infact an ever burning FIRE.
OhheyLiz suggested that the ever Burning lamp is infact a question you can't answer. Which is probably the right reading as it makes wayyy more sense. But I like this reading too.
Haliax's sign is blue fire! The ever burning lamp isn't a normal fire. So that's another connection, why give Haliax the sign of the blue fire? Cmon out of all possibilities has no one asked why Lanres sign is fire? It could've been thunder our rust or glitter or anything. But it's specificly Blue fire.
Hence my conclusions that Jax is based of Jack O Lantern because Lanre Turns, and Haliax's blue fire is the fire that makes the ever burning lamp!
:) Happy Halloween
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My Swivel Tak Set from Cardboard to Exotic Hardwood
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The cthaeh.
Theory: The eating of butterflies was it erasing courses of kvothes life based on the things he was telling him ie butterfly effect.
I’m sure someone has already said this or it’s completely off base, just me stoned and on my second journey through this amazing story.
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The Name of the Wind
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Waking the sleeping mind
Do you think Patrick Rothfuss won't finish the third book to wake our sleeping minds?
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Some KKC theories
I’ve just finished a reread and need to get all my thoughts out of my head. I’m sure most of this has been discussed to death, but whatever.
First, Denna’s song. I’m becoming increasingly convinced that her version is the closest to the truth (or at least a version someone wants people to believe is the truth). Her patron is clearly Cinder. Master Ash = ash = cinder. That’s way too obvious to be a coincidence. The Cthaeh describes the kind of violence he inflicts on her “for fun” perfectly. Haliax wouldn’t do that. So Ash = Cinder. Case closed.
The Cthaeh is, in my opinion, the most dangerous character in the entire series. Not because he’s the most powerful, but because he knows exactly which truth to tell to make everything fall apart. The theory that he’s Selitos has a major chronological problem: Bast explicitly says that Lanre spoke to the Cthaeh before the Creation War. If Selitos only became the Cthaeh after the destruction of Myr Tariniel, that doesn’t add up. Unless there’s something we haven’t figured out yet, I find that theory pretty shaky.
The Chandrian. I don’t think they’re “the good guys” by any means. But I’m almost certain they’re guarding the Doors of Stone, behind which Iax is imprisoned. Kvothe will probably kill them or weaken them enough to open those doors, and that’s when everything will go to hell. The Cthaeh has set this whole thing up perfectly.
One question that’s been driving me crazy: how was Kvothe even able to speak to the Cthaeh when the Sithe are supposed to guard the tree? The Sithe are supposedly enemies of the Chandrian, which makes the idea that the Chandrian are benevolent guardians even more complicated.
Bredon isn’t Cinder. No way. Bredon is a nobleman looking for a beautiful game, not necessarily to win. That doesn’t fit Cinder at all. Elodin as Master Ash? I’ve never heard a more absurd theory. Denna being one of the Chandrian? Same thing. A massive stretch.
As for Kote, I’m convinced he’s deliberately suppressing himself. He’s turned the inn into a prison to contain whatever he’s become. The signs are all there:
He breaks a bottle when the Chronicler mentions a woman he loved.
He can barely fight two or three soldiers, even though we know he has perfect technique.
Yet he takes down scrael outside without any trouble (Bast’s reaction confirms it).
He’s also broken an extremely serious oath (right hand + name + ever-changing moon). That’s going to come back to haunt him badly.
The Waystone Inn is a trap. A wounded beast that lures the sharks in so it can kill them instead of going out to hunt them. The magical silence surrounding the place isn’t just decorative.
The Four-Plate Door and the Doors of Stone are the same thing, as far as I’m concerned. Devi wants to get in secretly because she can’t force her way through with Elodin around.
The Lackless Box and the box from the Jax story are clearly the same object, or at least two objects very closely connected.
The Amyr are still around. Bredon, Lorren, and Abenthy are all good candidates.
Auri is the angel Kvothe killed. Devi is the demon. The Chronicler practically says so outright. And that explains why Auri is no longer in the frame.
Elodin is old. At least several hundred years old. He signs in Adem, he’s been Chancellor, he was locked up in the University’s prison, and he knows an absurd number of Names. That doesn’t fit into a normal human lifespan. He could even be Abenthy’s old master.
One last thing: Kvothe’s story isn’t just a confession. It’s bait. He says the Chandrian’s names out loud, and almost immediately the possessed mercenary shows up. I’m convinced Bast is going to trigger a catastrophe.
Chronicler and Skarpi are probably the same person, and very, very old.
There. Got it all out.
Which of these theories seem solid to you, and which ones are completely off the mark?
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Who Were the Ruh?
There is something interesting I think parallelling the Ruh and the Amyr. There are a ton of rumours about them but no one actually knows that much about them. People claim to have seen them but throughout the books we only see one potential amyr, maybe two, and one real ruh troupe (kvothes).
Another thing I think is interesting is how quiet kvothe gets when describing other Ruh. He defends them regularly but never gives any true examples. He knows of a weirdly complex ritual surrounding fake ruh or criminals. I would love to say this kind of death with branding did not happen regularly, but then why would he know the specific details down to the ritual of it. Seems like its happened a few times at least, or more likely some of the other ruh had stories of previous ruh troupes in their lives they had to do it to.
The other interesting thing is it weirdly parallels the killing of his own troupe. In this instance kvothe might have not been in the right headspace especially after the whole ademre arc, but it is still unnerving how clearly he seems to be acting and with passion and retribution for what was done.
I have heard theories that they are descendants from the first civilization. Others that say they diverged from Ademre which was also one of the first civilizations. I dont know which to believe, but I find the potential connection between them and the amyr \\ angels interesting
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Taking vs Giving
It’s almost November, and I felt like this topic was, I guess, somewhat relevant as we begin the month for Thanksgiving. I came to it while thinking about Auri’s reluctance to impose her desires on the world, and how she makes an exception for Kvothe.
“Not for herself. No. Not ever for herself.”
But for him, she’ll bring forth her desire, cunning, and craft. She’ll even “make a name for him.” That got me wondering how much selfishness matters to the distinction between Knowing and Shaping. Felurian makes something wonderful for Kvothe. Jax wants the moon for himself. Auri treats doing something for someone else as a meaningful difference.
Then I went back through How Old Holly Came to Be, and there’s a comparison that seems worth discussing.
Early in the story: She cut a branch of holly for a wreath, which was bad.
Near the end: Old Holly bent, and from his boughs, he wove a crown for her, all bright with berry.
She takes a wreath. He gives her a crown.
Both involve making something for the Lady to wear out of the holly. The material is similar. The purpose is similar. But who chooses to do it has changed.
Now, the “good” and “bad” in this story seem to reflect Holly’s developing perspective, which if you’ve been following my posts has been a theme for me. But, I don’t think we should just read them as Rothfuss giving us universal moral laws. Still, the repetition seems deliberate.
There’s another version of this with the walking sticks.
When the Lady hurts her foot:
The Lady sang a song to holly. Holly listened. Holly bent. The Lady sang and branch became a walking stick, and that was good. She walked and leaned on him, and that was good.
At their farewell:
Old Holly bent, and from a branch, he made for her a walking stick of green wet wood.
The first time, she sings and he responds. The second time, he makes it for her himself. There’s no new request or song described. Now, that complicates the selfishness idea a little. The Lady benefits personally from the first walking stick. It serves her own need. But Holly experiences it as good.
So maybe the interesting part is whether the thing being changed gets to participate.
Look at the sequence before Holly becomes a man- The enemies approach. Holly bends toward the Lady. She looks at him and the land below, then lays her hand on his trunk.
The Lady asked. Old Holly bent again. The Lady sang.
Then:
Old Holly bent and he became a man. He was both, and it was good.
Here, The Lady asked. We aren’t told the question. Holly doesn’t give a spoken answer. But the story makes a point of putting that exchange before the transformation. His bending could be an answer.
Okay, let’s compare that with the enemies:
There were men who had been bent halfway into birds.
And, Worst of all there was a shadow bent to look as if it were a man.
They’ve been bent. Holly repeatedly bends. That doesn’t tell us who changed those beings, or whether they agreed to it. But using the same word for these different transformations makes things interesting (to me).
Holly also becomes increasingly capable of acting on his own. He catches the Lady when she falls. He fights. He makes gifts. He brushes her cheek with his hand. Whatever her singing has done, the result is someone who can respond to her, and eventually give something back. That feels relevant to the Jax situation. The moon cannot stay with him, so he captures part of her name and makes leaving fully impossible. His desire becomes a restriction on her.
I found this makes Auri’s self-exception worth looking at more carefully. Doing something “for Kvothe” matters enormously to her. But that alone doesn’t tell us whether Kvothe would want everything she might do for him. We’ve already seen how far Bast will go because he believes he knows what his master needs. Loving someone and respecting what they want aren’t automatically the same thing.
There’s a somewhat sad complication when thinking about Holly, too. The Lady tells him
Contacting Pat…
I just want to thank everyone in this community who leaned in and helped with suggestions on how best to reach Pat. I have some great leads and will keep my fingers crossed.
I deleted the earlier post simply to minimize the overall footprint of the request. If I hear back from any of the options, I will certainly let y’all know!
Regardless of the outcome, it was truly enjoyable interacting with all of you!
Thanks everyone!
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My take on Kvothe in pixel art
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Pat showed up in my dream
It was far into the meandering nonsense of a mundane dream and for some reason I ended up at a workshop. I sat at one of many rows of long desks and there was a table at the front of the room where interviews or lessons would happen.
Someone walked in during a demo session and I looked back and saw that it was Patrick Rothfuss wearing an edgy high fashiony grey suit coat. The coat had “the holy bible” embroidered in turquoise and gold on the very large front pocket. As he walked by I jokingly scoffed and said “what a drab book to promote, here, take the real Bible” and I gave him my handmade book of shadows.
He swapped it with the book in his Bible pocket and gave it to me. Then he whispered, “we’ll trade for a bit” as he walked to the front table. I whispered back at him as he walked “write something in it!” And he flipped to a page with space, held it up and said “I’m going to!” Then I looked down at the gilded, very old book he had passed me. In gold letters it was titled, “Rhythm and Cadence of Gaelic Fairytales and Folksong”
I looked that up when I woke up and so many of the key points of Gaelic performance reminds me of NoTW, especially the “rule of threes” …pretty fascinating to read about the cornerstones of Gaelic performance and songs.
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Was Abenthy Sent to Monitor Arliden’s Research? The Archives Connection
Arliden was not just some travelling musician. He was a respected composer and the leader of an important troupe sponsored by Baron Greyfallow. His work was well known enough that Lorren, the Master of the Archives, was familiar with his songs and wanted Kvothe's help identifying and cataloguing some of them. Rothfuss himself confirmed this in a Q&A with Jo Walton.
So Arliden's music already had academic value and was being preserved and studied at the University. It seems reasonable to consider that other groups might also have been interested in his work, especially once he began researching Lanre, the Chandrian, and their history.
This makes Abenthy's appearance worth looking at more closely.
Abenthy was a fully trained arcanist with considerable experience. Yet we meet him travelling alone, at an older age, in rather poor conditions and far from any major centre of civilisation. Given his education and abilities, he could probably have found much more comfortable work at a nobleman's court or somewhere else. The story never gives us a particularly clear reason for why he was in that area.
My main hypothesis is that he wasn't simply travelling aimlessly and happened to run into the troupe. He may have been looking for Arliden's company.
Abenthy had already heard of the troupe before meeting them. We don't know whether he knew about their connection to Greyfallow, since Kvothe is the one who explains that part, but he was familiar with their reputation.
If he was deliberately looking for them, joining the troupe would have given him direct access to Arliden and his research. Arliden had spent more than a year and a half collecting stories about Lanre and the Chandrian. He was trying to understand the reasons behind their actions, investigating old stories and true names, and turning his findings into a song.
Abenthy would have been in a very good position to find out how far Arliden had got and whether he had discovered something that certain groups wanted to keep hidden.
His departure is another detail that makes me suspicious. He leaves the troupe shortly before the massacre, and the reason given for his departure is almost too convenient. He meets a widow in Hallowfell, falls in love, and decides to stay and help with her brewery while teaching her son.
Of course, this could all be genuine. But if Abenthy had been sent to investigate Arliden, this would also have been a very convenient way to leave the troupe without raising questions. He could have completed his assessment, passed on what he had learned, and left before anyone acted against the company.
I'm not suggesting that he necessarily carried out the massacre himself. His involvement could have been indirect: gathering information, reporting what Arliden had discovered, or contributing to a decision made by someone else.
This is where a possible connection to the Amyr becomes interesting. Their idea of doing what is necessary for the greater good could explain why someone might take part in something terrible while genuinely believing it was justified.
It would also explain the apparent contradiction between Abenthy's affection for Kvothe and the possibility that he was involved in something that destroyed his family. I don't think his affection needs to have been fake. He could have genuinely cared about Kvothe and the troupe while still putting his mission or organisation above those feelings.
His farewell message to Kvothe is worth considering in this context:
"Remember your father's song. Be wary of folly."
It could simply be a caring teacher's advice. But if Abenthy understood the danger surrounding Arliden's research, it might also have been a warning from someone who knew where that path could lead.
So my theory is that Abenthy may have been sent to locate and investigate Arliden, whose music and historical research were already attracting interest. He gained access to the family, learned what Arliden had discovered, and then left under a convenient explanation
Can't find Audiobooks in good quality
Hello dear friends, I stand before a problem that one of you may be able to solve:
I really like Rupert Degas' narration of the audiobooks (we can discuss that choice in the comments, this inquiry has no room for my reasons). This is not a problem you might say, but alas I am also very fond of good quality audio, by trade as you might say - I am a sound tech. Now the audio quality of these books on audible is just horrid, they are without a doubt the worst quality audio I have in my collection of currently 145 books and that is counting quite a few cassette rips.
Now my real question is: Does anyone in this community have the CD or any other form of medium that isn't audible and could tell me whether the quality on that is better than the audible version? I have been looking for a long time but buying UK versions of US audiobooks in Germany really is not a simple thing if audible can't deliver.
Anyway I have been looking for about a year now, on and off because it's a frustrating matter and I really hope one of you has an Idea on how to obtain what I am looking for.
Thank you in advance and with best regards
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Yes or no?!
Put very simply. Are we going to get The Doors Of Stone in the conventional way. In other words, Pat formally releasing it.
Upvote for yes, downvote for no.
Please resist the urge to just tank the vote in the no direction because you're frustrated!
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I think I know why Kavothe lost his powers
Like I said somebody may have already mentioned this but on my umpteenth relisten when Dinnea vietnamly asks him to not investigate who her patron is he says I felt guilty because I listened to her the night before yada yada yada but then she says what can you swear by to make me believe you and he says first "my name and my power" ! So I think some way somehow obviously he breaks up promise and now he doesn't have his powers anymore in present tense. Anyway I'm so glad AI has come out because if Patrick crawfish s**** the bed at least fan theories and AI could finish the job.
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Tempi will have to launder his Vintish gold royal if he wants to spend it in Haert.
This is a money detail I noticed from the Wise Man's Fear.
After Kvothe and the mercenary gang defeat the bandits and recover the Maer's lockbox, Kvothe agrees to allow each of them to take a single Vintish gold royal (a high value piece of Vintish currency) from it. Although this is a blantant theft of the Maer's property, it was a strategic decision to keep the gang together once the job was complete and discourage anyone from disappearing with the box of gold coins.
Tempi received a gold royal as well. However, at home in Haert, he can't use it to buy anything, exchange it or even show it to other Adems without people getting suspicious. As Vashet explained, the Adem mercenaries (or at least the ones from the school in Haert) get paid in Cealdish currency. I think it's safe to assume everyone in the school knows this, and likely many Adems who are not mercenaries are aware of how that all works too, since the Adem mercenaries are the core of the Adem economy.
Moreover, the school must keep records of what contracts its mercenaries accepted, what the value of those contracts were and what amount of the payout was withheld by the school and what was kept by the individual mercenary. I would assume Shehyn can thus find out exactly how much any of the school's mercenaries are pocketing from each of their contracts, including Tempi.
So, Tempi cannot just walk into a shop in Haert and try to pay with his gold royal without the shop keeper immediately getting suspicious. He is using a currency the shop keeper would know he was not paid in for his mercenary work. If he tried to exchange it with another Adem for Cealdish currency, especially someone else from the school, they would also be highly suspicious of where the gold royal came from.
The obvious conclusions most Adems would have is that he either stole it (which is actually what happened, and probably a major violation of the Lethani) or that he took additional mercenary work under the table while in the barbarian lands. We can assume that is also a big no no, since Adem mercenaries are supposed to give at least 80% of their contract payout back to the school so it can recuperate its investment in their years training. If anyone from the school caught wind of how a baffled shop keeper had Tempi try to pay with a Vintish gold royal, or if he was asking around if anyone could exchange it, he'd be in so much trouble, I imagine.
All this means that Tempi is in an odd spot in Haert with his gold royal. If he wants to be able to spend this high value coin, he has to geniusly launder it. Unless, he just keeps it as a keepsake from his journey with Kvothe.
Further discussion points:
How would money laundering in Haert work and what happen when Adems start catching on?
What could happen to Tempi if anyone finds out he was in possession of a Vintish gold royal?
Do you think Tempi would have even thought through any of this?
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Animated project
I remember someone posting a snippet of an independent animated project they were working on, but now I can't find it. The scene they had was a walkthrough of some of the Rookery. I believe it had either music or an ambient soundtrack. Is anyone familiar with it? Sorry if I'm not giving enough info, but that's all I can remember
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The name of the wind digital book
Im originaly read both books in spanish but i think i may understand them better if i read it in the original lenguaje (english) some one know where i could find the book digital?
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Viari killed Kvothe's troupe?
I see a lot of people having a theory that Viari killed Kvothe troupe. If so, how we explain Cinder, Haliax, Cyphus, Usnea and Grey Dalcenti signs being clearly mentioned and everything seems very clear they were there?
I understand Lorren is probably Amyr and he is actively trying to remove all information about Amyr and Chandrian, and Viari is his "assistant", but Viari killing Kvothe troupe sounds really impossible by any stretch of the imagination. (I did not finish WMF yet so maybe there is some info there which makes it possible)
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FANFIC: What really happened to Kvothe's troupe.
While Kvothe was out playing and gathering herbs in the woods, Viari appeared, seemingly from nowhere, right next to a waystone. He was part of Lorren's acquisitions team, an Amyr, seeking rumors of information the Amyr wanted to keep hidden. He approached the outer wagons of the Ruh troupe, lifted one palm, and said “One family.” With a smile, Arliden offered Viari wine, which was of course refused. They played the old game of offering and refusing, and Arliden was confident that Viari was a friend of the Ruh. He knew the words, he knew the ways.
But soon after the troupe let their guard down, Viari drew his sword. He knew what secrets Arliden was exposing, and he had to stop that. He moved through the troupe like a knife through butter. Before Arliden could reach her, Viari cut Laurian down. In a rage, Arliden lunged with a small knife, and gave Viari a small wound. Angered, Viari cut Arliden across the belly, leaving him alone to a slow painful death among his slaughtered troupe.
Just then, a chill wind blew, and Viari knew that he was out of time. He walked to the waystone he had used to reach the troupe, pressed his bloodied palm to the ancient stone, and stepped through. Arliden crawled leaving a bloody trail to hold Laurian's dead body.
Out of the shadows, the Chandrian came. Cinder coldly approached Arliden and demanded to know the shape of his song, the lyrics that only Laurian could write. Arliden spat at him in defiance, refusing to let his wife's lyrics leave his lips after her death. Cinder smiled a wicked grin, and lifted Laurians corpse by the arms, and broke them. Again, Cinder demanded the lyrics.
Arliden then conceded, begging that they leave his love alone. Arliden told Cinder and the Chandrian the lyrics that Laurian had written, a song almost completed. The story of how Selitos turned the leaders of the seven cities against their own people in exchange for power. The story of how Selitos had tricked Lanre, and led him to folly and disaster, and led him to cause his own love's death. And, in the end, how Haliax learned from his wife's sacrifice, repented of his greed, and instead bound the other six traitors to his will to in turn bind Selitos to a tree in the brightest part of the fae.
Arliden spoke of Lanre whole and uncorrupted, Selitos the one who had twisted the world to his own grief, the Amyr who had hunted truth into silence. Cinder listened until the last line, then he rose, and gave Arliden a merciful death.
The Chandrian then set about catching and killing a pair of rabbits to eat over Arliden's evening fire while they discussed their next move. But just then, Kvothe came over the rise with the bundle of herbs under his arm. He saw the fires, the still shapes, the blue flame that was not flame. He saw Cinder look up and smile with a mouth full of teeth.
We all know what happened next. Cruel Cinder taunted the boy. Haliax punished him for this unnecessary cruelty. Then the Amyr, the Watchers, returned in greater numbers, and the Chandrian were forced to flee.
There was no time for Haliax to explain to the child Kvothe what had really happened. Of course there was no time, just as Cthaeh had planned it thousands of years ago. This one child, who would have the singing skill of the Ruh, the fighting skill and blade of the Adem, the Alar of an arcanist, who would have all of the tools necessary to kill a Chandrian and break the 'iron wheel' that kept Cthaeh bound. Cthaeh had been playing a very long game, like Tak, and the pieces were all in place. But little did he know that Haliax knew the trap was set, and he had a plan of his own, that relied on Kvothe doing exactly what Cthaeh had planned.
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New theory, Martin actually called down Tehlu
Shower theory that’s been tumbling around my head after I reread the Trapis and Skarpi stories in NOTW. I’m going to paraphrase because I don’t want to devote too much to this, but in the stories it’s said that tehlu and his angels, the Amyr? Will always come to aid those who call to him properly.
We see people in universe use the name of tehlu similarly to how westerners use Jesus and god in every day expressions, but when Martin notices that there is something not right with the bandit leader he begins to pray with a passion not otherwise used in universe, naming Tehlu’s disciples and possibly Amyr? I think selitos is mentioned… anyways I think that logic based too smart Kvothe thinks that the lightning is all him but my new thought is that after hearing Martin’s prayer Tehlu and his angels actually come and intervene on the party’s behalf.
Anyways
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to stay and keep the tower safe for her return. He stays until the garden, the stream, and the tower itself are gone. Is that a choice he keeps making? An instruction he cannot escape? Devotion that has outlived its purpose? I don’t think the ending settles that. But, the wreath and crown seem like a much firmer place to start. The story gives us two closely related actions, separated by Holly becoming someone who can choose to give.
I wonder how much of the larger conflict over mastery is contained in that little difference. Like… Can you make something wonderful while still respecting what it is? Can you help someone without deciding their life belongs to you? And when you tell yourself you’re doing it for them, how much does that actually settle as it relates to the world’s metaphysics and compulsion, like we see with Bast in NRBD?
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Finding Ben
Hello everybody, i just leave this here because it bothers me now and then. I love the books, i love the story and KKC is one of my favorite book series.
But...
Why the hell Kvothe never actually tries to find Abenthy? He gave us an explanation only once and said that it was almost impossible for a little boy having nothing and trying to survive on the streets of Tarbean.
But the moment his mind "partially" wakes up and he decides to go to the University, that was the exact moment he should have gone to find Ben.
He knew he was too young to attend University.
He knew he didn't have a letter of recommendation.
He knew Ben talked about the Chandrian with his father.
Ben could have helped him with money.
And he absolutely able to find him in that moment imo.
Just noticing this on every reread.. The books wouldn't be the same and because of that i don't think much about this. But it doesn't make much sense to me..
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Naming on the way to Trebon.
Spoilers for both books!
After the attack on Kvothe, he finds his way to the house of the wind and sits for longer than he realises in a trance watching the patterns of the wind.
From this point on its almost as if his waking mind has been roused just a little bit more as the rest of the book is just PACKED full of him naming things (some with the assistance of the wind itself) in a very short span of time. Considering the length of the books.
First up Keth-selhan,
\> As I stroked his neck, I kept speaking without giving any mind to what I said
Then he settles of Keth-Selhan thinking it meant "first night" but later discovers from his tinker
\> “Your Siaru is rusty. Ket-Selem would be ‘first-night.’ Selhan means ‘sock.’ His name is one sock.”
Later on after running in to Denna he starts trying to name her almost-patron.
After a few silly false starts he gets on a string of F words.
\> Just tell me when I hit one you like…Federick the Flippant. Frank. Feran. Forue. Fordale….”
The most common theory that I also ascribe to is that Cinder is Denna's Patron.
If Cinder is Denna's Patron. Then his true name we find out in WMF is Ferule, and we also hear Halifax call him a version of this Ferula. (We know from WMF that Kvothe is intentionally using the wrong names through most of his story for the reasons outlined in WMF)
Kvothe seemingly randomly lands on F names. But he is actively trying to name the Patron and his sleeping mind has gotten close with F...devolving from familiar names to non-sense to potentially if given time Ferule.
BUT Before he can get there the wind interrupts him and provides him with an alternative.( ‡ Putting a tinfoil pin in this for the moment)
\> as the wind forced a leaf straight into my mouth, causing me to choke and splutter.
\>“The wind has decided for us. Master Ash.”
This is the big evidence for master Ash being Cinder because as we have all heard 1000 times on here in the last 15 years. What's is another word for a cinder? Ash.
Later on after fighting the Draccus there is a smaller moment where he catches A young girl by surprise by guessing her nick name. It's small by I'm counting it.
\> “I’m guessing no one calls you Verainia though. Are you a Nina?” She looked up at that. A faint smile showed itself on her stricken face. “That’s what my gran calls me.”
This little run of naming becomes a pattern we see more of in later books. If I had thought to notice earlier I would have written a bigger list maybe as I go into book 2 I'll add to this post other significant naming moments that seem to fall around when his mind is more open.
‡ Tin foil hat moment as promised : there are a few moments where the wind is described as almost as sentient especially in WMF.
If we assuming that it is, or is in control of someone who is sentient in this scene....Could the wind sense that Kvothe was getting TOO close to Cinders true name and provided with an alternative to stop chandrian attention flicking to him?
Then to make sure that they stick with the name and associate it strong with denna the wind picks up again
\> As we made it out of the trees and over the top of the hill the wind gusted again...Denna took a step away from me, muttering and rubbing at her eyes....“I’ve got chaff in my eyes.”“Not chaff,” I said..."Ash"
Potentially Trying to tell Kvothe that Denna is Blind to Ash...
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TINFOIL: Did Rethe use Shaping to rewrite Aethe's Name?
Did Rethe use Shaping to change Aethe's Name?
I've been looking at Rethe's four lines of poetry again, and I'm wondering whether they're an example of the writing magic Denna describes, which I suspect might actually be Shaping.
When Kvothe discovers Felurian's Name, he sees four lines of music in her eyes and sings four hard notes, breaking her power over him. But what if music isn't necessary? What if Names can also be changed through writing?
After Aethe shoots Rethe through the chest, she takes a feather from his arrow, dips it in her own blood and writes:
Aethe, near my heart.
Without vanity, the ribbon.
Without duty, the wind.
Without blood, the victory.
She releases the ribbon, and the wind carries it directly to Aethe's chest.
Denna describes a magic where something written down becomes true, even if the reader doesn't understand the words. That sounds suspiciously like Shaping to me. Rather than discovering what something is, you're changing what it will be.
So what if Rethe's poem isn't simply offering wisdom, but actually changing the things that define Aethe?
Vanity removes his pride and arrogance, and his belief that being the greatest archer makes him the wisest man.
Duty releases him from the obligations of his former identity, his reputation, authority and position as master.
Blood removes his reliance on violence to achieve victory. He no longer needs to kill or defeat someone to prove himself right.
And that's remarkably close to what happens afterwards. Aethe relinquishes his authority, becomes Rethe's student and never kills again. Yet he retains his abilities and continues teaching for another forty years.
But why does Rethe use her own blood?
She writes with a feather from Aethe's arrow, fired from a bow strung with her hair. We know blood and hair can establish powerful sympathetic links. Her hair, his weapon, her blood and the wind carrying the written words directly to his heart. It's almost a complete sympathetic circuit.
What if the blood provides the connection needed to make the written change stick?
It reminds me of Selitos using his own blood and spoken words to curse Lanre, permanently changing his existence. No music involved there either.
Perhaps Naming reveals what something is, while Shaping changes what it can become. Music, speech, writing and possibly even Yllish knots might simply be different ways of expressing that power.
Of course, if Rethe changes Aethe against his will, wouldn't that contradict the Lethani?
I'm not sure it would. She doesn't remove his skills, knowledge or ability to choose. She removes the qualities preventing him from recognising the Lethani: his arrogance, attachment to status and need to prove himself through violence.
And perhaps that's why she writes the poem before telling him the ninety-nine stories. If the four lines are Shaping, she changes him first, then teaches him to understand what he's become.
It could simply be a beautiful moral lesson, but the blood, hair, arrow, wind, four lines and lasting transformation seem like an awful lot of familiar magical imagery.
What if Rethe didn't simply teach Aethe the Lethani? What if she Shaped him into someone capable of following it?
Not by turning him into somebody else, but by removing the things preventing him from becoming the best version of himself.
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