Is Natalie okay?
Please don't turn this into a parasocial harassment/gossipping campaign.
I'm a bit worried about Natalie, as I am about all trans Americans, in light of the recent election results.
If anyone knows whether she's posted anywhere since, it would put my mind at rest to know. Otherwise, please no chasing her or trying to get her to say anything. She deserves to take any space she needs.
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Is it possible to find their old video???
From what I've heard contrapoints had some bad blood with the Amazing Athiest (TJ Kirk)
They had a little squabble
A feud if yoy will
They got off on the wrong hand (or is it end)
Ive seen almost all of TJs video and all of contra's video, all the one's that are available on YouTube
I've even gone to internet archive
But unfortunately i wasn't able to find the videos where they respond to each other directly
Is there any way to view any of the videos where they respond to each other?
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Times Contra Discussed Drag Race?
Specifically Sasha Velour’s famous wig reveal (and her less successful imitators). I distinctly remember Natalie talking about this, but I can’t for the life of me remember which video or tangent or context. And after searching a bit I can’t find any instances of her talking about Drag Race at all, so now I’m half convinced this was a false memory…
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Wait WHAT?
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The Situation (new Patreon post)
https://www.patreon.com/posts/situation-115686355
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Just rewatched the video on incels and got struck by self-awareness (cw: EDs, fanfiction)
Okay, so, lately I've been re-reading the art of starving, which is a book about an anorexic teenage gay boy who gets superpowers (and yes, I had problems with ED stuff when I first read the book). I've been writing a fanfic that had the book's main character in it, and so I thought, "why shouldn't I go and re-read this excellent book, just to get another look at his form of thinking". And so I started reading it again, and it was very good. At communicating the thing it was trying to communicate intentionally. Which was, by the author's own words (and this is me paraphrasing, but the thing he actually said wasn't less explicit), the truth of how anorexia can make you feel powerful even through all the pain it brings upon you, and the metaphorical representation of the sense of control it grants. Which Is Most Definitely A Responsible Thing To Write A Book About! (Okay I'm being kind of unfair here, there IS value in writing a book that explains a stigmatized experience to a general audience, and this WAS based on the author's own experiences, but, like... Let me complain.) And I kept going "well I NEED to get the sense of how this character thinks, it's story research after all! And, like, sure it's dangerous, but I'm sure I can handle it!"
But then I just rewatched the incels video, and I just got to the part where she described how she kept searching for transphobic threads trashing her appearance on tttt and telling herself it's "for research purposes", and my brain suddenly smashed me with the realization that this is not, in fact, any more ridiculous than what I've been doing for the last few days.
... Which means now I have to actively and intentionally avoid hurting myself while living under the presidency of Donald Trump. Oof.
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Moving forward
After a few days of wallowing (which I think we all should allow ourselves to do for a short time), I’m starting to think about how we move forward.
I’m thinking that we first and foremost need to focus on hyperlocal issues and elections: school boards, election boards, city councils, county judges, etc. if republicans enact project 2025, the federal gov will be lost to us for at least a decade before we have any chance of reversing course and our best defense will be strong local and state govs. Of course we should protest and do what we can to prevent the federal takeover but honestly that’s a steep uphill fight and we can’t afford to burn ourselves out there when there’s so many other more achievable and more important ways to resist.
Next, we get ranked choice voting in every state that we can get it on the ballot. We need people to get involved in the electoral process like never before and even republicans might become less extreme if they feel like they have the choice for more run-of-the mill conservatives and a way to voice that. For progressives it will mean ending the chokehold the DNC has on being the only party we can align with and they will either stop drip feeding us progressive reforms or become obsolete.
Lastly, we build local community and mutual aid networks. We need to get to know our neighbors and get to know the people physically close to us that we can trust and rely on. And if you’re a leftist, TRY to not be an obnoxious asshole. We need the libs now more than ever. This election proved that we have a better chance to build coalition w center left people than with people left of democratic socialists. We do not get involved w tankies. Seriously. These mfs will sell you out in an instant the moment the going gets tough. Don’t be surprised if a lot of “communists” change their tune about Trump once he takes office and try to convince you he’s actually secretly a leftist or that his policies are better for leftists/ the working class. As far as conservatives go, you do not need to fuck w them but don’t be openly hostile bc they will 100% fuck you over harder than you can do it to them. Ignore, cut off, and distance yourself but try to keep basic politeness when you are forced to interact. They WANT a reason to harm you and odds are they will try even if you don’t give it to them, but I promise you it’s a little bit safer if you don’t give it to them.
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Ignore Parties on Inauguration Day
Wouldn’t it be great if nationwide we had parties on January 20th and completely ignored Trump’s inauguration? Like bouncy houses and petting zoos and drag queens. Giant big parties completely ignoring Trump and having such a good time that we didn’t give up our “liberal tears” except crying from laughter and all the champagne we were drinking?
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Natalie's thoughts on Jung?
So this year I've been occasionally looking into Jungian archetypes and such, and also how they relate to stuff like the hero/heroine's journey, culture, fiction, and so on. I'm aware that this concept can get really slippery really fast, and several, uh, movements have used these in order to push some... slippery beliefs. Sometimes fashy. But on an aesthetic and purely fictional level I do find this stuff kind of fascinating, like how there's a bunch of concepts that show up repeatedly and seemingly independently in several myths and important works of literature.
Now that I've been bingewatching Tangents for a few days, I see Natalie has been mentioning Jung, sometimes more positively, sometimes less so, but always in a way that made me want more content in that line of thought. So my question is, does she have any sort of public video (that I might have missed, or perhaps some other kind of post? a thread? an article?) where Jung and related concepts have an important presence? Maybe not specifically centered on it, but presenting it as some sort of section or underlying theme.
(Or maybe I should just go read some Jung myself, lol.)
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Bernie has spoken.
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A Thank You from Natalie for her Birthday Card 💜
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Old drawing from when this video first came out
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Someone back me up, this serves Contra vibes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2oBjphXSTVM
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Happy 36, Natalie!
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Tangent idea: Contrapoints
Thats right.
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Looks familiar.
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With the lack of large leftist content creators I feel like we're starting 0 to 100 when discussing this
So I see a lot of people saying that leftist content doesn't take off because of the tendency to go the research/video essay route. Like a lot of people do I feel like people are thinking way too deep about how these right winged content farms and pipelines start.
Like many people have said a lot of these pipelines start from hobby content, which means we don't need to go the research/video essay route to achieve this. What is needed is more leftists engaging with hobby content creation. I'm sure we all noticed how people were shocked about Nara Smith and her husband being ultra conservative, yeah it's obvious to people who are familiar with political content but normal people engage with those videos because it's interesting to see how someone makes candy or Capri sun from scratch, they didn't need to put any politics or philosophy in them. It was just about a "housewife"(Nara Smith is a professional model) making random shit in her kitchen.
This kind of content leads into a pipeline where people start looking up more detailed tutorials to mimic what Nara Smith is doing or to mimic anything else like "how to start a sewing project", "how to make sourdough bread" , "how to grow cilantro" into "how do I make dresses" ,"how do I raise livestock" , and etc until it starts giving you political content about how it's hard to raise chickens because a democratic city government put strict zoning laws into place regarding livestock in 1981 and now it's fucking you over because you can't raise chickens in your backyard. Right winged content is designed to slowly build resentment due to your material conditions and then they offer a sacrificial lamb and a convenient way out if you start sacrificing the people who you're told to sacrifice.
Theory and thoughtful work has it's place in the world but sometimes its time to put the theory and the philosophy down. I know it's crazy saying this in a contrapoints subreddit but I feel like as long as leftist thought and philosophy have barriers like multi-hour video essays and straight up agitprop being the forefront of leftist content the people who need to be convinced won't leave their content bubble or become defensive of their current beliefs in response.
And yeah I purposely gave examples of how women can primarily fall into right winged pipelines, it's just as much as a problem for women as it is for men.
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Saw this on Reddit and Contra immediately came to mind
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I hope Mother goes back into making political videos and specifically, I hope she does a video about how the Left can win
I know toxic people on twitter basically made Mother swear off doing this but I think we need people like her. For my two cents, the biggest focus needs to be on the following (not exhaustive obviously):
Economic messaging: Libs need to stop pretending that the economy is great. People are suffering and feeling left behind. "But the line is going up" is NOT going to cut it.
Latinos: There's a bunch here, but don't be as ghoulish on the issue of immigration as conservatives are. Kamala pivoted right on the issue of immigration to try to get the mythical centrist voter and "never trump republican" vote. Stick to your ideals and don't sell yourself as "republican lite." And also, please stop using the "LatinX" term. Polling shows that Latinos hate it. 53% of Latino men voted for Trump. This number can be reversed if we get it together
Men: There are women with sons. Men make up 50% of the vote. We can be in denial about it, but there is a clear anti-male vibe within the left that needs to go away. Any time I see a post about the 4B movement being a "solution", I see another example of how the left loses despite having better policies that actually materially improve people's lives. 53% of white women went with Trump. The issue is so much bigger than "eww, men, gross."
There is hope. Bernie Sanders won his re-election recently. Voters with state ballots on abortion generally chose to preserve reproductive freedom (though admittedly not in all cases). Trump is an obese geriatric and the thing about cults of personality is they usually fall apart when the leader is no longer around.
We can win.
The Left has the numbers to completely overwhelm the right. Trump got basically no new voters in terms of overall turn out for him. Kamala meanwhile lost about 15 million votes that Biden got. The good news is that the votes we need are still out there for the taking. Again, The Left has the numbers to completely overwhelm the right.
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So, how old is Mother?
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The correct way to watch Opulence
I had trouble with cables and stuff, but finally got it up and running!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yyAPDAzqEMQ
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a needed reminder
since most people here are lgbtq+ i want to remind everyone that you are loved. there's still 68 million people who voted to protect your rights. things will most likely get worse, but if there's one thing our community has it's resilience, think of stonewall, think of ACT UP, think of the lavender menace. as natalie said:
"that, right there, is the single greatest quality of trans-feminine culture, the resilience of trans women, the assumption of a regal posture in even the most abject conditions." (gender critical)
as for what we can do now:
"my advice is: do your best not to unalive youself, live for revenge. i transitioned at the senescent age of 28. there is a future for you if you can wait it out" (anti-lgbt bills tangent)
"now is the time to educate liberals \[...\] straight people, cis people, now is a great time to support trans people because we're in agony over here" (anti-lgbt bills tangent)
and if things get too bad:
"apparently the only way to get anything done in this country is to throw bricks and shot glasses so maybe it's just about that time again" (anti-lgbt bills tangent)
"here's my little tabby moment: i am not opposed to going full stonewall up in here. \[...\] sometimes we have to go full stonewall, and if if comes to that, it comes to that" (anti-lgbt bills tangent)
be kind to yourself, if you need some time off social media you're allowed to take a break, if you need to lay in bed reading a book or watching a comfort movie from your childhood please do it, if you need to turn to spirituality that's a good thing too, do whatever helps you. at times like this, we need to practice self care
"the term self care has deteriorated to the point that the first imagery that comes to mind when you hear it is like, buying expensive bath bombs, but the concept of self care originates in political activist spaces, specifically i know it's discussed by Audre Lorde, the black American feminist. The point of it is to prevent burnout essentially, if all of your energy is dedicated to political activism, you can lose yourself, you can go crazy basically" (spirituality tangent)
i wanted to post this to hopefully bring comfort to anyone here who needs it (so basically everyone). i hope this compilation of things our parasocial mother has said may help, and remember you will survive this <3
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I am doing a rewatch of Alt-Right Playbook just now, anybody else?
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These white nationalists or Groypers are such waste of spaces man, I'm disgusted
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We're all dreading the next 4 years. What's the best video to rewatch to help pull us out of The Darkness?
2016 bore the start of several awful American movements. Out of that Darkness, however, Ms. Points somehow conjured up the energy and courage to totally revitalize her channel into the monolith it is now, and even begin fully transitioning.
I need that again for these next four years. Obviously, I'll be rewatching the whole channel, but I'm wondering which specific video has the best messages in the context of this pretty miserable time in politics.
What do you think? I'm still undecided, though I'm thinking maybe one from the first era of videos which are most focused on the impact of neo-n@zism, understanding the motivations of Centrists, etc.
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How do you view Patreon payments?
I'm working on a project for one of my classes and could use your help gathering data! I'm writing about WWWC but I need to delve deeper into the economic contexts that surround it.
What I'm wondering is how do those of you that pay for Patreon view that monthly payment?
View Poll
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N. Wynn fan art
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Anyone else's membership gone?
I wanted to watch some tangents back but her October Patreon pause has removed all of my access to them. Has this happened to anyone else?
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If Natalie and Vanessa were to have a debate once more, there's no doubt Natalie would win, she has come so far
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You either die the SpongeBob or live long enough to become the squidward
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