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I may have to DNF after nemesis games
I am really sad about this, but I may have to DNF this series at this point. I really wanted to like this. And I did like it at the beginning, mainly because of Miller.
Although I like the characters for the most part , and I like the concept, the structure and pacing has been killing it for me.
The expanse heavily relies on a “braided narrative” structure, which is a storytelling method where a single book is split into multiple, distinct storylines told from the perspectives of different characters.
And that would be fine , but what I have found is that those individual storylines are so incredibly boring until they converge. And they do not converge until basically the end of the book every time. I just found myself thinking every single book “when are things going to get going?” And at the end of the books it would get kind of exciting. But that’s always like the last 10%. And then the next book starts slow again, just like before.
I heard the final three books of this series are the best. That is why I’ve been pushing through. However, I’ve been told that nemesis games is like one of the best books of the series, and I didn’t like it at all. I liked it far less than even Leviathan falls.
To me, I can summarize the entire book just like this:
\- Holden is in space and they’re trying to figure out missing space stuff
\- Alex goes to Mars and ends up also investigating missing space stuff with Bobbie
\- Naomi goes to see an old lover / her child and they are radical military type peoples who are clearly up to something, and then yeah we know what they do that part was exciting when it finally got there
\- Amos, this one was really tough. I love Amos. He’s my favorite character, but they made his plotline so insufferable. I just felt like he was doing nothing on earth for far too long. I also hate the Mao girl and was not thrilled to have her back.
The asteroid started hitting the Earth I think around chapter 23. From that point forward, it was good. But that’s my issue, 23 chapters where I legitimately was suffering through the book. I was just so bored idk. And so like I don’t know if I can keep doing this. I heard the next book is like one of the worst in the entire series. But I heard the last three are really good so I’m torn.
What do you guys think? Based on my experience so far, do you think I should power through or should I just call it here?
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Multiple Shows on Amazon Prime
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Not sure if the flair is correct, but I have a couple chapters left in Leviathans Wake and this book is SWEEEET how the author talks about space travel and just like general ship life is so cool. I wanted to start watching the show as well.
Is there a difference in these two options on Prime? I see one has 6 seasons and one has 3 seasons. Is one considered the better option?
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a third of the way into the book and there's something i need to know
I've really loved the series up to this part but i just cant put up with all the belters talking about how they now have a chance of getting their own space and fighting force when their apart of a group that committed the largest genocide ever by a large margin. i kept thinking last book about how id like to see more of the average belters rection to the news of earth or Mabey just a chapter on ceres station after the rocks fell. then this book has multiple chapters from multiple belters all who are apart of the free navy and don't really give this atrocity a thought. Naomi's really the only belter we've seen that realizes the gravity of the action and that's annoying and making me lose faith with were the story's going. so id appreciate if someone could let me know if we get to see more belters be upset by the news
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Laconian rule is the best option there is
MAJOR SPOILERS. >!My first post here in this sub. I am reading 'Tiamat's wrath' now, and having this feeling of not sorry, but.. deep lamenting I'd say what the underground is trying to achieve. Sharing my thoughts in this direction. In my opinion, Laconia is shown without major flaws. Yes, a dictatorship, yes, massive censorship, yes, bureaucracy, YES, HUMAN EXPERIMENTS. But that (except for the experiment part) is not flawed per se. Scientific advances, administrative control of 1300 worlds and provision of stability across a vast space is what, I think, they've managed to achieve pretty well. And those are MASSIVE achievements, humongous. A dream come true.!<
>!At the same time the underground is having a crisis of purpose. What is there to achieve? Struggle has become its own goal. "So that everyone's opinion matters" or sth along the lines. WTF? There are tens of billions of people living at any given moment. They get their representatives (that are not really elected as we saw it in case of Mars during the Free Navy mutiny where Chrisjen casually spoils that the underdog will be the new Mars representative) so that the number of opinions still lowered to a digestable amount. And even then there's only one person on each major space object who makes decisions: Chrisjen on Earth, whoever on Mars, Transport Union, and the mess of outer worlds unmanaged. This is just to say that Laconian decision-making model is still the same the inners used to have, just less pretentious.!<
>!The philosophy of a Laconian ruler living forever, to me, is explained at length and sufficiently to make it seem plausible. And I concur. Nothing much to say here, really. Just an opinion.!<
>!And for the underground to destroy it all JUST 'CAUSE? Alex Kamal showed the first signs of weariness and lack of purpose, and rightfully so. There is nothing to fight for but to break a working system. Look at Auberon. A place actually worth living on. Naomi was thinking how nice it is and at the same time her gut saying that it ain't got that charm and uniqueness and history to it yet. So what? You came there and witnessed that life goes on and it's amazing and you say, no, let me support my ex-Marine friend to blow up antimatter in open space to kill a ship. Thanks. These parts leave my infuriated, really. I take conscious breaks from the book because how dumb the underground is being. No, don't get me wrong, they have the military smarts but for what? This they leave unanswered. And when they try to answer it, the answer is so bleak I wanna tear the page from my e-book. Disgusting.!<
>!All I'm having right now is rage with 'why are you ruining the best attempt at peace and stability there has ever been?' unanswered. The underground are the real antagonists in this book. And I'm mourning the sudden crumbling of the empire.!<
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Saved The Best For Last?
Well, I’ve made it to the end. After all the books and novellas, this is it! I’m very excited to nearing the end of the long, action packed journey that at sometimes felt like it was a bit of a slog. I really hope this is the best of the series and the end makes me want to start it all over again, which some books can do!
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Favorite character
I’m just on season 2. My favorite character is Amos so far. I feel like he is deeply misunderstood and likely suffered trauma young. Don’t tell me if there is something I don’t know. I’m currently starting season 2 ep 7
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Quick question about the first part of season two (the end of Leviathan Wakes)
TL;DR: Can I watch season 2 through to when the end of Leviathan's Wake occurs without spoilers for Caliban's War?
New to the series and though I'm sure it's maybe a little silly I'm trying to go through both the books and show "together", book first, then the parts of the show that adapt that book.
As I understood it, the parts in season 1 with Chrisjen were new for the show, and weren't parts of Caliban's War being told earlier, so I felt fine watching all of season one after finishing Leviathan's Wake.
I've only just started on Caliban's War but I am eager to continue with season 2 as well. I did start the first episode and obviously it opened up with Bobbie from Caliban's War, aside from this is there more of Caliban's War interspersed in the first part of season two, or is it a similar situation to Chrisjen in season one where anything with her/Bobbie is new to the show?
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Theories on when smartphones became hand terminals?
It seems obvious to me that hand terminals are just smartphones. (or are they?) But I can't imagine how the transition happened.
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My Expanse/Space inspired tattoo
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Any talks about bringing the series back to adapt books 7-9?
I suppose with the time jump they could wait 20 years if they wanted, though I think the books implied that with future health longevity a 65 year old is more like a 45/50 year old in modern day.
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Reason for action taken long ago
I'm not sure how cryptic titles have to be but I'm taking about the ring builders 'being forced to resort to extreme measures, destroying entire solar systems in a bid to stem the "infection" '.
I know they were a hive mind so they perceived things differently but what infection? The ring entities don't infect, they just destroy. What benefit did they think blowing up systems would even do?
Is it ever explained or were the Romans just trying whatever they could including destroying their own stars?
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A sad part about his escape via repair skiff
Did Filip leave Tadeo behind the Pella when he escaped with his repair skiff? Could he have even brought Tadeo with him? Some say that Filip could still have had command access. But would there have been time? Sure, Filip couldn't have known about what would ultimately happen to the Pella, but I think it's just sad if Filip didn't even think about bringing him along. I thought they had made a bond.
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Question about Leviathan Falls
Were the Goths destroyed?
"For a brief moment there was a release of energy second only to the big bang"
I took this to mean that the Goths who were pushing in on the ring space were blasted to oblivion. Was there anything in the book saying otherwise? Closing the rings down prevented the blast from effecting our universe, but the boundary of the goths was the surface in between the rings. Did they take the explosion or did it just fizzle out in some between universe space?
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Quote from Fred. Am I imagining this?
There was a good quote from Fred Johnson in either the show or the books. I can't remember where it was but I recall it, but I could just be imagining this.
He said something along the lines of:
"There's nothing wrong with being a pawn for a good cause, Holden."
Did he say this or am I imagining this?
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What of the novellas and in what order should I read them?
I just finished leviathan wakes and I think this is a series I would really like to get into! My original plan was to just read the nine base books but if my experience of the series would be better with the novellas I’d be open to read them.
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How come there isn’t an album for the score from season 1?
Just realized rewatching s1 that there’s a lot of tracks I find interesting and would love to listen to but they’re not available it seems. I especially loved some of the tracks played during the donnager battle
Edit: I’ve been using YouTube music which doesn’t have it but apparently Spotify does! Oops. Just need to find that donager battle track
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To those who read the book first, what was your reaction to
The reveal that the rocks hit Earth? Was it really that big of a mystery compared to the show?
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Dreaming about the expanse
Is there anyone elso dreaming about the expanse characters or environnement ? Several times a month I dream about being with one of the main characters or in the rocinante etc... Am I the only one ?
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I'd love a "The Universe of The Expanse" illustrated book, like the ASOIAF one
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Like a timer counting down
My wife is giving birth soon and I was reading about how labor works.
Contractions are like pulses, with the time between them getting shorter and shorter in length.
Like a timer, counting down.
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Rocinante edit
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Just finished reading Leviathan Falls...
I really enjoyed reading all these books, minus for Babylon's Ashes which had - in my opinion - too much of a fragmented pacing due to the high number of POVs, but I thought the final three books were able to put it back on track. I read Leviathan Falls in three days.
I started watching the tv show after starting Persepolis Rising, as I knew that sadly they didn't adapt the last three books.
So I thought the show would have simply scrapped anything related to Laconia, but two days ago I reached 6x01 and imagine my reaction at seeing Cara, the repair drone and the orbital construction platforms over Laconia. That scene both made me very happy and very sad.
I still have to finish watching the show and will do in these days but it's a shame Amazon didn't allow them to properly finish it... the real ending is the one from Leviathan Falls, not Babylon's Ashes with Inaros' plot.
All the informations about the Builders and the Dark Gods are in the final three...
I'm a gamer and of course I'll buy The Expanse: Osiris Reborn, though I wish it was set after Abaddon's Gate to have more worlds, but perhaps it could happen in a sequel if the game ends up being successful.
I'll buy the Telltale game too.
I found out that there's comics too, and the ones from 2023 and 2025 are set between Babylon's Ashes and Persepolis Rising. Intriguing. I'll surely read them. Are they good and respectful of the main source? I've also seen there's older comics too. Glad The Expanse has been turned into a universe with its great world-building.
Just sad I won't be able to see on the screen all those cool scenes from the final three books. I really wasn't a fan of Babylon's Ashes pacing, although I liked the ending. But I was more interested in the sci-fi aspects of the universe rather than Inaros.
I also really liked Cibola Burn which I have just found out is criticized, but to me it felt like a huge quest of Mass Effect or Knights of the Old Republic, just with Expanse characters. Loved reading about "Miller" again.
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$20 for the complete set (minus Book 1)? I couldn't say no.
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FYI for any Australian fans
FYI for any Australian fans who haven't yet seen. If you can tolerate ads, The Expanse is available on SBS On Demand and it looks like it is being broadcast on Viceland (channel 31). The first two episodes were broadcast last night and the first three seasons are available on SBS On Demand.
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Audiobooks worth it?
New to this sub, just finished the tv show.
I’m sure this question has been asked a million times already but are the audiobooks worth a listen? How much more do the books expand upon the show? I’ve heard that the show finishes around book 6, is the remaining story worth the time? TIA
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Found The Expanse Board Game at Goodwill for 5.99
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Duarte's game theory
I was just doing a reread and was reminded of how stupid Duarte is in his interactions with the wormhole aliens - specifically everything he was saying to Theresa about game theory.
Because - this is patently obvious - the wormhole aliens were ALREADY ENGAGED in a tit-for-tat relationship with the protomolecule, and kept following it with the human ships - and they didn't move to all-out warfare until Duarte broke the terms of the treaty, exactly like the humans would have if the wormhole aliens started attacking outside of the "overburdened wormholes" window.
Bro already had a peace treaty sealed, signed, delivered, and enforced - and decided to light the treaty on fire to see whether or not the wormhole aliens would respond-in-kind to TOTAL WAR that he was all but guaranteed to lose.
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Tattoo Ideas
Need some inspiration for a new Tat, want to go Expanse themed this time...
Would really love the belter neck/helmet scars, but not ready for something some bold
Show me your tatts...
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With advances like this how close is the Epstein drive?
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