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Does he have that kind of face?
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why start from book 1 after finishing the show?
i see people asking what to do after finishing the show, and it feels like the majority opinion in this sub is to start from book 1. i often hear people referring to the differences between the show and the books to support their position. what changes specifically are a deal breaker for you?
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Track inspired by 7th book
Hello everyone. I would like to share with you my track, which is inspired by Laconia 2 from The Expanse. I hope you enjoy it! Thank you.
It's instrumental. So no spoilers. It's mostly jazz.
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Few pictures from Maker Faire
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Why are belter accents so inconsistent?
Only on season 3 but why don’t all belters have an accent? Why doesn’t Miller have one? Why does Naomi go back and forth from accent to no accent in the middle of a conversation with a belter? (Season 3 episode 9, 16:35/43:41)
Really love this show just seems so weird could someone explain ?
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I'm at the end of season 3 and am digging the sci-fi but feeling like the non sci-fi stuff drags on and on.
I've been extremely hungry for a quality scifi series since Stargate SG1. I know scifi overall is a niche genre but one can still hope something high quality exists out there waiting to be found especially with such a large cult following that SG1 (and other series) have today.
Eventually I came across the Expanse recently and absolutely fell in love it. I've binge watched almost all 3 seasons over the past 2 weeks. It does scifi extremely well.... when it wants to. The protomolecule, the space travel mechanics, large spaceship battles between Earth and Mars - it's everything I ever wanted. The universe building is solid and you can tell a lot of love was put into it. And big props on the morally grey characters (still and tired of more good vs evil showdown). That being said, there is a lot of "fat" that comes with the series. The detective stuff that they more or less abandoned at the end of season 1, the political stuff with Chrisjen Avasarala that seems to be on top of literally everyone to the point where everyone else looks stupid, Holden slowly going insane by seeing Miller everywhere (which reminds me of the really slow filler from Battlestar Galactica between 6 and Gaius), etc. Essentially filler dragging on and on until we get back to the scifi stuff.
Is it too selfish to say that a lot of this stuff could have been cut or at the very least kept to a minimum? Like someone who bit off more than they could chew? There are so many storylines going on at once and some of them you just don't really seem to care about. Is it just me or what? Is it there maybe as entertainment to hook non scifi fans? Or give them something to hang on to if their spouse wants to watch? What did you guys think? I don't mind multiple stories at once, Game of Thrones had a bunch of stuff going on and was great no matter what was happening but with the Expanse I'm feel like it's part scifi and then part House of Cards and part something else.
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I just realized that Drummer
Had previously grumbled “Being in charge sucks the big felota” about being in charge of just the Behemoth.
Then she ends up being President of the Transport Union. Now she’s in charge of all traffic through thousands of solar systems.
Poor Drummer. I apologize if this has been talked about already but I can’t stop laughing.
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Significance of Art History to Character's Story Line
So I just finally finished LF a few days ago (after rotting on the library waitlist for months!), and I was really pleasantly surprised by the way Tanaka was written. Now part of that is just that I'm a big sucker - as both a reader and a writer - for taking apart characters who are irredeemable bastards and seeing what makes them tick. I was really curious to see other fans' takes on her, and it looks like she was pretty polarizing as a POV characters - some of you guys, like me, really loved to hate her (and maybe even dip a tentative toe into feeling sorry for her), and some of you just plain hated her (and that's fine - some people prefer being able to like their POV characters. I'm not one of those people) or thought her chapters were boring (what book were you reading?). However, I haven't seen anyone really say much about the significance of her interest in (love of, really) art and art history. So I wanna talk a little about that.
The takes I've seen have largely come down to either, "It didn't fit with her character and felt really random," which I'm about to disagree with HARD, or "It served as a device to show that there was more to her that meets the eye, and that she could have gone down a completely different path." This one, I agree with, but I also think there's a lot more to it.
(1) So let's talk about why art history specifically. Why not something else seemingly 180 degrees away from being a Marine, like gardening or culinary science? As an artist who takes myself unapologetically seriously, I have had a lot of conversations with an artist friend of mine lately about the intimacy of art. Art is both an expression of individuality and a vehicle of profound, often terrifying, connection. The former is what Tanaka regards as the core of her being, while the latter is anathema to her. She is drawn to art precisely because it exists in a space of tension between her comfort zone and her deepest fears. It is the razor edge that she loves to walk.
I've said before that I think of art as a form of telepathy - you are trying to capture something inside your own mind and externalize it in a way that it is transmitted into the mind of another person. When Tanaka begins experiencing this very literally in a manner she can't control, it's her worst nightmare. But she loves art because it is a version of this that she can control. It's an outlet for her to fulfill the fundamentally human need for connection when it's never been safe (both literally and psychologically) for her to do so through any other means. She learned that as a child when she sought a hug and got a slap in the face instead.
A number of the art pieces she contemplates are emotionally intense. The Third Miko in particularly is memorable because it is a heavy piece, full of vulnerability and grief and dread. These are the kinds of pieces that not only did the artist have to rip themselves open and pour their soul into in order to produce, but the audience is required to do the same to some extent in order to fully experience them. Turning soul-crushing sadness into usable rage isn't alchemy - it's more like a refinement process; it takes a lot of energy, and there is a lot of waste runoff that still has to go somewhere. For Tanaka, that's where it goes. That's the safe place to put it. Inside of someone else's pain, where no one will ever know it's yours.
(2) The other thing I wanted to talk about hinges on a "blink and you miss it" detail that, for me at least, completely reframed the whole picture regarding the "two roads diverged" aspect of Tanaka's life, and that's the casually dropped revelation that she never actually had a choice in the first place. The way this was written, I'm absolutely certain it was a very deliberate choice by JSAC to undermine the assumptions we as readers had been previously led to make.
The "two roads" framing comes up explicitly three times in the book. The first time is in Chapter 24: "Tanaka hadn’t thought about that painting in decades, or
Need Help with The Books after The Show Ended
Hey guys I’ve been wanting to continue with the books since the show ended. Are there any major differences between the show and the books? I think the info I got is Drummer is a different character in the books. And of course which book should I pick up?
Any help would be appreciated
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My favorite quote in the Expanse, if not literature in general, in painting form.
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I miss Cotyar
Rewatching the show, every time Cotyar on screen is a bonus.
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Watching the season finale season 6
It’s bittersweet. I’m sad I won’t have anymore Expanse to watch. When season 7??
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Post Season 6
Anyone know if they are developing any post season 6. I know there was talk about projects in the pipeline roughly speaking but they were never elaborated on and I know DragonTeeth is out there( I still need to read this)
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Miller's bomb
Couldn't he just toss it aside from the space walk?
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Got the whole series plus Leviathan Wakes 10th Anniversary Edition for $67.50 this past weekend!
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Bulbs (for drinking)
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Anyone else on here only really a books person?
Don’t get me wrong, I like the show, and it’s what got me into the universe. But after reading the books, I haven’t been able to enjoy the show the same way. It just doesn’t hold my attention like it used to. I’m a big re-consumer of media and typically love rewatching shows/rereading books. I’ve read the books through at least 5 or 6 times. Only got through the show 1 and a half times.
Is it just me?
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Leviathan Falls. The Expanse
Just finished the last book and man I could not come up for better endings for each character. I was blown away reading this series. I spent 6 tv series and 9 books with the crew and the Roci and I feel satisfied with almost all of it. >!I truly do not know how you could wrap up Naomi's story but I feel she got the short end of the stick but she was strong enough to handle it. Jim is going to Jim in the best possible way. Alex and his ship. Amos has the best ending. Loved this series.!<
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What happened to Mars?
I haven't read the books and The Expanse wiki is garbage that completely lacks information (I've never seen a wiki so abandoned).
When Duarte dominates humanity, what happens to Mars? Does it become an extension of Laconia?
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Finally watched this series and it’s one of the best in its genre.
I had previously started season one years ago but just couldn’t get into it. After hearing my cousin mention it for the 100th time I gave it a second chance. Accidentally started with season 2 but kind of glad I did, it was so much easier to watch. I’m just now watching the first and it’s much more enjoyable as a origin story.
Overall a fantastic show, they get lots of small details that mist scify skip over and its not at all episodic. Some of the “wow moment” were excellent in the sense that after all the space movies and games I have experienced these were new and original.
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New crew?
About 1/4th through the book and was so excited to see that we actually got some new characters in the Roci's new crew. But then the author copped out for inexplicable reasons and we're left with only 2 new crew members that have already been around the earlier books. What is even the point of introducing new characters if they are just going to serve as props for your existing characters? So disappointing that the Tycho crew left for no reason
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about what a very different life she would have lived if she’d made a few different decisions at the start." The next mention is in Chapter 31, when Dr. Ahmadi is reviewing Tanaka's file. She says, "You refused an advanced scholarship in order to enlist." Both of these references frame it very explicitly as a choice. But then, a few pages later, it's revealed that it actually wasn't: "If Aunt Akari had let her study art history instead of enlisting in active service, where would she be right now? And who would be tracking down the high consul? What else—how many thousands of other things—would be different?" (emphasis mine).
This detail and the way it was just slipped in there actually made me feel terribly sad for her because it reveals that this was, in fact, never where she wanted to be at all. This is more a matter of interpretation, but my takeaway was that the whole thing about her preferring a repressive society might be less the truth and more of a narrative she tells herself because she has spent her entire life deprived of any kind of real agency. It's true that someone who has never experienced life outside a pressure cooker environment might rapidly decompress like a blobfish upon being removed from it (I'm reminded of the memoir The Girl With Seven Names, where the author's mother and brother can't adapt to life outside of North Korea and want to go back), but that's less about being naturally well-suited to it and more about being deeply and maybe irreversibly maladapted.
When Tanaka tells herself she loves life under the boot because it gives her something to push back against, she's making the best of a bad situation by pretending her lack of agency is actually just a really sophisticated form of agency. It's because the only love she has ever known is the threat of consequences, with the only realistic alternative being complete apathy. It's the same mentality that makes abuse victims blame themselves - because, in some ways, the version of events where you were totally helpless and at the mercy of other people and a cold, uncaring universe is more distressing than the version where you brought it upon yourself through your own choices and actions. Wanting (and presumably asking her aunt's permission) to study art history, only to be forced to enlist in the marines instead is just another variation of her reaching for a hug and getting a slap. But if someone cares enough to slap you in the face, at least that means they care, right? "Laconia would put two in the back of my head because they care about what I think and do" is still a nicer story than "Laconia would put two in the back of my head because I'm nobody and nothing and completely disposable to them." It also made me wonder what was meant earlier by "if she’d made a few different decisions at the start." What does she tell herself she could have done differently to change a fate that was never in her hands to begin with?
TL;DR Tanaka loves art because it's the only way she can safely experience human connection, and it's implied she actually would have chosen to study art history if her aunt hadn't forced her to enlist.
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Persepolis Rising Very interesting quotes from Clarissa
(Ch. 15)
>"Some men," Clarissa replied, louder and looking up at them now, "need to own everything."
>...
>"When I was a little girl, I remember my father deciding to buy up a majority share in the largest rice producer on Ganymede. Rice is a necessity crop, not a cash crop. You'll always sell everything you can grow, but the prices aren't high, because it's easier to grow than a lot of other things. And at that time, his companies had an annual revenue in excess of one trillion dollars. I remember an advisor telling my father that the profits from owning rice domes on Ganymede would add a one-with-five-zeroes-in-front-of-it percent to that."
>...
>"But the largest food producers were the rice growers. They had the biggest domes and farms. The most real estate. By owning a controlling share in their company, my father was in a position to dictate policy to the Ganymede Agriculture Union. It meant, in terms of Ganymede food production, he couldn't be ignored by the local government."
>"What did he use that for?" Bobbie asked.
>"Nothing," Clarissa said with a delicate wave of one hand. "But he had it. He owned an important piece of Ganymede, a thing he hadn't controlled before. And some men just need to own everything. Anything they lay their eyes on that they don't possess, it's like a sliver in their finger."
>...
>"My father would be the kindest, most generous and loving man. Right up until he wanted something and you wouldn't give it to him. I don't know why I think this, but Duarte feels the same. And these are men who will mercilessly punish anyone who won't comply, but with tears in their eyes and begging you to tell them why you made them do it."
(Ch. 26)
>"A third of the stars of heaven," Clarissa said, as if she were agreeing.
>...
>"A third of what now, honey?" Bobbie said.
>"From the Bible. Revelation. When the devil fell from grace, he took a third of the angels with him. It's described as the great dragon pulling a third of the stars of heaven down with its tail."
>...
>"Whatever story Duarte was selling was compelling enough to get a big chunk of the Martian military to buy in. The devil's story was freedom from the oppression of God's rules, and it was good enough to win a lot of angels to his side. Whatever Duarte's pitch was, it's a good one. Don't be so sure you wouldn't have bought it."
I really like these pieces of dialogue from Claire in the book because it gives light to her more intrinsic understanding and read of Duarte through her experiences with her father. If she >!went on to survive into the later books, it would have been super interesting to see how her fundamental views of Duarte and men like him would drive the commentary about him, or even the approach to fighting him. !<
TL;DR: I really like the little bits of Claire's poetic side coming through.
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Is it weird that I liked the show better than the book?
I say book, because I only read the first in the series. I thought it was ok. Didn’t really wow me like other sci-fi books I’ve read like The Forever War, Foundation & Empire, Altered Carbon. I felt the first book honestly could’ve been a one off by the way it ended. It had a satisfying conclusion. I found reading the wikis for the books more interesting, because the world fascinated me more than the book’s characters. I get the appeal of the books series, but it I just finished it not feeling a desire to read the next one
What do y’all think?
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Who's your favorite Characters?
I really hate that I just found this show, but what a ride it was to experience for the first time. Who are your favorite characters?
Here's my top 5
5-Timmy. He just kept getting better in each season, and by 5/6, I love all the nicknames for his favorite people. Always a good time when he's on screen.
4-Gunney. I couldn't stand her at first, but after season 3, she really gets much more depth as a character, and her relationships with the other characters made me really appreciate how determined she was to do what was needed. Just a tough SOB and a survivor.
3-Avasarala. Enough said. Too many quotes, but as long as we keep comparing sizes, no one will shoot.
2-Errinwright. I hated, and loved, this character so much. Layers, and trying to decide if he's a complete POS, or if he really was trying to do the best he could, really kept you on the edge of your seat for a few seasons. Inaros is good, Errinwright was great.
1-Drummer. After her first appearance, I thought I'd hate the character. Boy was I wrong. Was praying she'd finally get hers, and although it's different in the books, I feel she had the best arc and her story had the most satisfying ending.
So, I'm curious, who's your favorites? Really going to miss this show, but it's been back before. Fingers crossed for S7!
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Pronunciation of Epstein
I've been listening to the audiobooks, and the reader specifically pronounces the name of the fusion drive like "Eep-steen", rhyme with "steep clean". Is there anywhere, in the books or in show material or interviews or anything, where the "correct" pronunciation is given? I seem to recall it being a short E on the series, rhyming with "hep-find".
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The Churn Podcast - Does the Audio quality get better?
Im starting that podcast with its earliest episodes from 2017, the ones about Season 3.
The hosts have decent mics but all the guests sound like they called in from a crappy hotel room with little to no reception on their cellphone.
Does that get better? I can't understand half the words they're saying in the first episode.
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Adam Savage Examines The Spacesuits of The Expanse!
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Copyright for the expanse? (mainly TV show)
So I got the Idea to make a game using the expanse movement mecanics, ship design, soundtrack etc. I am aware that there are probably a lot of registrictions (I assume that would be copyright laws) which forbid that. Does anyone know, if there are any official copyright documents for the expanse (mainly the TV show as I haven‘t read the books and use the show as inspiration) and where I‘d need to ask for permission? I don‘t want to profit from the game btw. as it would be a kind of fanart project.
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I highly recommend reading the 'Dragon Tooth' comic
As someone who generally doesn't care for comic book spin-offs, I have to say I was pleasantly surprised by it. It captures the world, characters and tone of the series down to a T, and while it might not be as relevant to the overall plot as the books and the show, it's far from inconsequential. It delves deeper into various characters, locations, and concepts, and leads up to the Laconia arc in a satisfactory way. I'm surprised it hasn't gotten more attention considering how starved people are for more The Expanse content. It definitely scratches that itch.
Now if you're a books-only fan it might not be up your alley since it follows the show canon (no Alex, among other things), but it's still a great insight into the time jump events.
That being said, does anyone know if there are plans to continue the comics, or is this it? I know the "Dragon Tooth" storyline has concluded, but there's still so much that could be explored leading up to the events of Persepolis Rising.
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